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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 30, 2020 18:57:09 GMT
Incredible that some far left types are still trying to moralise over everybody even after such a shaming week for them.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:03:28 GMT
Incredible that some far left types are still trying to moralise over everybody even after such a shaming week for them. Are you seriously comparing a lifelong anti-racist campaigner with far-right fascism? What an embarrassing post. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 30, 2020 19:27:14 GMT
I don't think either party is fundamentley extreme right or left but they both have factions of both You’ve replied to proof that the Tories are majorly far right - the furthest right of all competing political parties, with “I don’t believe they are extreme right.” I’m glad I don’t know you, seems as if you’re the forums biggest fascist! Why misquote me couldn't you spell or paste fundamentley. I have reported your post as I strongly object to being called a ffascist |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:39:48 GMT
You’ve replied to proof that the Tories are majorly far right - the furthest right of all competing political parties, with “I don’t believe they are extreme right.” I’m glad I don’t know you, seems as if you’re the forums biggest fascist! Why misquote me couldn't you spell or paste fundamentley. I have reported your post as I strongly object to being called a ffascist Well if you don’t think a far right party is far right, despite the evidence in Lobster’s link, then what does that make you?! The point I was making was how far to the right must you be, to hold the view that the furthest right party are not far right? |
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Post by Si on Oct 30, 2020 19:41:01 GMT
You’ve replied to proof that the Tories are majorly far right - the furthest right of all competing political parties, with “I don’t believe they are extreme right.” I’m glad I don’t know you, seems as if you’re the forums biggest fascist! Why misquote me couldn't you spell or paste fundamentley. I have reported your post as I strongly object to being called a ffascist And applying the new forum rules I've applied a warning percentage to FOP's profile, and removed the post. |
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Post by luke90 on Oct 30, 2020 19:42:23 GMT
Whilst I don't think he should have been suspended after reading what was in the report, as a leader, you have to accept responsibility.
Like it or not, he was the Head of labour at the time, he is responsible. I also don't think the issue has been resolved.
Every party has bad eggs, they need to be weeded out.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:43:03 GMT
Why misquote me couldn't you spell or paste fundamentley. I have reported your post as I strongly object to being called a ffascist And applying the new forum rules I've applied a warning percentage to FOP's profile, and removed the post. The point I was making was how far to the right is he, if he doesn’t consider the furthest right party to be far right? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:45:07 GMT
Whilst I don't think he should have been suspended after reading what was in the report, as a leader, you have to accept responsibility. Like it or not, he was the Head of labour at the time, he is responsible. I also don't think the issue has been resolved. Every party has bad eggs, they need to be weeded out. The leaked report from earlier this year was clear in its outcome that Corbyn was hampered by political factions within the party (the “centrists”/right of the party) that deliberately made it difficult for him to deal with AS complaints, such as holding on to complaints for too long etc. Corbyn fought to improve the disciplinary process and this massively improved when Formby took over from centrist McNichol. |
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Post by luke90 on Oct 30, 2020 19:48:11 GMT
Whilst I don't think he should have been suspended after reading what was in the report, as a leader, you have to accept responsibility. Like it or not, he was the Head of labour at the time, he is responsible. I also don't think the issue has been resolved. Every party has bad eggs, they need to be weeded out. The leaked report from earlier this year was clear in its outcome that Corbyn was hampered by political factions within the party (the “centrists”/right of the party) that deliberately made it difficult for him to deal with AS complaints, such as holding on to complaints for too long etc. Corbyn fought to improve the disciplinary process and this massively improved when Formby took over from centrist McNichol. Hopefully they can learn from it and actually give some opposition again. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:50:27 GMT
The leaked report from earlier this year was clear in its outcome that Corbyn was hampered by political factions within the party (the “centrists”/right of the party) that deliberately made it difficult for him to deal with AS complaints, such as holding on to complaints for too long etc. Corbyn fought to improve the disciplinary process and this massively improved when Formby took over from centrist McNichol. Hopefully they can learn from it and actually give some opposition again. Your response bears no relevance to any of the points I have made. With regards to the content of your response, the previous Labour leadership was the most successful opposition of all time, in opposition. The current leadership has sacked its MPs for voting against the government (you know, opposition) and has instead taken the line to abstain on every vote and tell the PM repeatedly that they “support” him. |
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Post by Si on Oct 30, 2020 19:52:46 GMT
And applying the new forum rules I've applied a warning percentage to FOP's profile, and removed the post. The point I was making was how far to the right is he, if he doesn’t consider the furthest right party to be far right? I'm not really arsed about the point behind it, more so that labelling someone as fascist can be perceived as insulting and obviously WB was insulted as he reported the post. Have a think and take a breath before posting stuff like that. By all means debate the issues, but no insults please. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 19:54:24 GMT
To be fair, if a person doesnt think the far right are far right, how else should we label them?!
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Post by Si on Oct 30, 2020 19:59:16 GMT
To be fair, if a person doesnt think the far right are far right, how else should we label them?! Politely disagree and respect that people have different political allegiances to yourself and don't label them? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 30, 2020 20:01:35 GMT
Imagine if people politely disagreed with Hitler.
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Post by Si on Oct 30, 2020 20:05:55 GMT
Imagine if people politely disagreed with Hitler. Its modern Britain mate, wind it in. Just dont insult people, its not hard. |
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Post by scotty on Oct 30, 2020 20:33:29 GMT
I think they call it Godwin's Law.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 30, 2020 21:00:54 GMT
Whilst I don't think he should have been suspended after reading what was in the report, as a leader, you have to accept responsibility. Like it or not, he was the Head of labour at the time, he is responsible. I also don't think the issue has been resolved. Every party has bad eggs, they need to be weeded out. The thing is though, all the time Corbyn was being held responsible for the failures of party officials who were not just his political opponents, but also among his principal accusers when it came to allegations of antisemitism. It was like something out of a Kafka novel with a nod towards 1950s McCarthyism. |
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Post by Al on Oct 31, 2020 16:09:55 GMT
A weak leader? Absolutely.
Racist? Absolutely not.
I'd bet you people commenting on this very thread have been guilty at some point in their lives of making racist comments who fail to see any irony in continuing to call Corbyn racist.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 31, 2020 18:58:33 GMT
A weak leader? Absolutely. Racist? Absolutely not. I'd bet you people commenting on this very thread have been guilty at some point in their lives of making racist comments who fail to see any irony in continuing to call Corbyn racist. A lot of people sticking the boot in don't give a shit about anti-Semitism, it's just a convenient stick to beat him with. Reminds me of UKIP having to pretend they care about women and gay rights in order to have a pop at Islam. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 1, 2020 9:58:53 GMT
Corbyns Brexit stance was dire but He is no racist or antisemitist. Massive own goal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2020 12:06:09 GMT
Corbyns Brexit stance was dire but He is no racist or antisemitist. Massive own goal. I was under the impression that Labours Brexit Stance (arguably their least popular policy) was developed by then Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 1, 2020 12:20:14 GMT
Corbyns Brexit stance was dire but He is no racist or antisemitist. Massive own goal. I was under the impression that Labours Brexit Stance (arguably their least popular policy) was developed by then Shadow Brexit Secretary Sir Keir Starmer. It was. He used it well, look where he is now. |
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Post by prodigal on Nov 2, 2020 23:13:35 GMT
I don't expect the 'man in the street' to understand the difference between Anti-Semitism and a belief that the state of Isreal is a right wing, zionist , apartheidist, abuser of human rights, but Starmer and his witch hunter generals certainly should know better.......they just choose to wear blinkers and let the 'mob' carry off Corbyn to suit their own political agendas.
In-party hatchet job,pure and simple, just like the 'purges' of the early 80's as referenced by another poster, just thought Corbyn had more sense than to be trapped like this, especially after doing up Cameron and May like kippers so well over Brexit.
Mind you, even poor old Margaret couldn't dodge those knives from behind, wonder who is eying up Boris's back as we speak?
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 3, 2020 8:58:52 GMT
I don't expect the 'man in the street' to understand the difference between Anti-Semitism and a belief that the state of Isreal is a right wing, zionist , apartheidist, abuser of human rights, but Starmer and his witch hunter generals certainly should know better.......they just choose to wear blinkers and let the 'mob' carry off Corbyn to suit their own political agendas. In-party hatchet job,pure and simple, just like the 'purges' of the early 80's as referenced by another poster, just thought Corbyn had more sense than to be trapped like this, especially after doing up Cameron and May like kippers so well over Brexit. Mind you, even poor old Margaret couldn't dodge those knives from behind, wonder who is eying up Boris's back as we speak? That will be Michael Gove, the poundshop Machiavelli in this Cabinet of inadequates. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 3, 2020 10:09:34 GMT
I don't expect the 'man in the street' to understand the difference between Anti-Semitism and a belief that the state of Isreal is a right wing, zionist , apartheidist, abuser of human rights, but Starmer and his witch hunter generals certainly should know better.......they just choose to wear blinkers and let the 'mob' carry off Corbyn to suit their own political agendas. In-party hatchet job,pure and simple, just like the 'purges' of the early 80's as referenced by another poster, just thought Corbyn had more sense than to be trapped like this, especially after doing up Cameron and May like kippers so well over Brexit. Mind you, even poor old Margaret couldn't dodge those knives from behind, wonder who is eying up Boris's back as we speak? That will be Michael Gove, the poundshop Machiavelli in this Cabinet of inadequates. I think the opposite about Gove myself. I think the party/Cummings have got him totally under their thumb and he's just sent out the to do the dirty work. He's always the first to get his mug on TV defending the indefensible like Cummings' eye test. When he supposedly "betrayed Boris" by putting himself forward to be PM straight after the Brexit vote, I suspected that was strategy cooked up between them because Johnson didn't fancy being PM then. He cleverly let some other poor sap (Theresa May) flounder with in for a couple of years and only jumped in once people were totally worn down by Brexit, whether they voted for it or not. |
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Post by g1 on Nov 3, 2020 13:22:03 GMT
Whilst I feel for him in a way he only has himself to blame I'm afraid for the way he handled it if there was anti Semitism in the party it should of been dealt with he was the leader but calling him racist no not right
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 3, 2020 14:33:58 GMT
Whilst I feel for him in a way he only has himself to blame I'm afraid for the way he handled it if there was anti Semitism in the party it should of been dealt with he was the leader but calling him racist no not right This issue is that he did try to deal with allegations of anti-Semitism and was criticised in the EHRC for this interference. The man couldn’t win either way, especially as many Labour Party staffers on the opposite wing of the party were using this as a stick to beat him with. It’s an eye-opener the lengths the political establishment will go to when their corrupt system of mutual back-scratching with big business is threatened. Not content with beating the man in an election, they have to destroy him as a lesson to others. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 3, 2020 15:31:29 GMT
Have to ask though, if he is such a massive racist how come the British public don’t love him?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 17, 2020 18:42:25 GMT
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 17, 2020 18:49:30 GMT
Right thing to happen. The man’s either even dafter than I thought or worse. An absolute stain on the Jewish community and the Labour Party. A good day for those that want to see the end of Tory rule. Would u like picking up in the morning pal? Hahahahaha |
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