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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2020 7:21:47 GMT
Bernie Sanders called what would happen when he spoke to Jimmy Fallon earlier this week - that Republicans are generally more likely to turn up and vote on the day, Democrats are more likely to cast mail-in ballots. So the likelihood of a Trump lead being chipped away and then overtaken by those mail-in ballots being counted after polls close was always going to be high and subsequently the likelihood of him calling foul on the results and threatening to take it to Supreme Court would be very high.
Was so obvious that’d happen.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 7:35:31 GMT
The problem is that Trump has been so overly vocal about election fraud, and so groundless in his accusations, that even if there was something funny going on nobody would believe him apart from his daft followers.
It's just vanity from him. He's like the kid who kicks the ball over the fence because his team's losing.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 9:28:47 GMT
Anyone seen this bloke in Nevada, ranting about election fraud while wearing a "BBQ, Beer and Freedom" shirt and a mask around his chin?
Honestly can't work out whether he's a genuine Trump supporter or a wind-up merchant trying to parody one. There's not a lot of difference between the two.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Nov 5, 2020 10:06:40 GMT
It looks like a Biden win is nailed on now, which is good for the collective sanity of everyone. The Democrats really need to get some appealing candidates lined up quick though - how long is a 77 year old president expected to last? Two terms seems unlikely.
The numbers voting Republican will probably mean that Trumpism is around for a while longer yet. Talk of Don Jr taking up the mantle seems desperate though, I can't see any of his adult children being as popular as he is.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 10:39:50 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2020 18:17:55 GMT
An armed mob demanded entry to where votes are counted because they personally disagree with the results is the very essence of fascism.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 5, 2020 19:39:40 GMT
An armed mob demanded entry to where votes are counted because they personally disagree with the results is the very essence of fascism. and communism oh sorry you don't get a vote with communism |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 19:46:06 GMT
An armed mob demanded entry to where votes are counted because they personally disagree with the results is the very essence of fascism. and communism oh sorry you don't get a vote with communism An irrelevant technicality at best when the people responsible are clearly not communists. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 19:55:03 GMT
It sums up America's problem even something as factual as how many votes a candidate has can be reported differently from one news source to the next. Fox News, among other sources, has already added Arizona to Biden's count, even though Trump is reportedly gaining on him there. BBC has only this evening given Wisconsin to Biden while some other source did last night.
Meanwhile, Nevada, which could be decisive, says it may not finish its count until the 12th, a week today!
Our elections are weird but theirs are something else. It seems completely unstandardised.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 5, 2020 19:58:05 GMT
and communism oh sorry you don't get a vote with communism An irrelevant technicality at best when the people responsible are clearly not communists. extremist left or right views are not good anywhere so why irrelevant |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2020 20:13:15 GMT
An irrelevant technicality at best when the people responsible are clearly not communists. extremist left or right views are not good anywhere so why irrelevant What are these “extremist” left views? The British public generally seem to be indoctrinated into thinking that feeding the poor, ensuring workers have a wage they can live on, and saving the planet from extinction is “extreme”. Compare to the far right who have committed murder on these shores for political reasons. The only MP to have been assassinated? A Labour MP by a far right thug. Mind you, you have already said that you don’t think the far right is right-wing enough. Says it all. From a so-called moderator too(!) - not very moderate is it? |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 20:52:30 GMT
An irrelevant technicality at best when the people responsible are clearly not communists. extremist left or right views are not good anywhere so why irrelevant Because we're talking about Trump voters. You may not agree that they're fascists but they're certainly not communists! If it were a thread about North Korea or Stalinist Russia, mentioning communism might be relevant, but on this thread it's just whataboutery and comes across that you're being an apologist for authoritarian mob mentality. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 5, 2020 21:02:01 GMT
extremist left or right views are not good anywhere so why irrelevant Because we're talking about Trump voters. You may not agree that they're fascists but they're certainly not communists! If it were a thread about North Korea or Stalinist Russia, mentioning communism might be relevant, but on this thread it's just whataboutery and comes across that you're being an apologist for authoritarian mob mentality. Not an apologist at all as I have repeatedly said extremism in any direction is not good and that includes the extreme right, |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 5, 2020 21:04:23 GMT
extremist left or right views are not good anywhere so why irrelevant Because we're talking about Trump voters. You may not agree that they're fascists but they're certainly not communists! If it were a thread about North Korea or Stalinist Russia, mentioning communism might be relevant, but on this thread it's just whataboutery and comes across that you're being an apologist for authoritarian mob mentality. No it doesn't, calm yourself down! |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 21:11:51 GMT
Because we're talking about Trump voters. You may not agree that they're fascists but they're certainly not communists! If it were a thread about North Korea or Stalinist Russia, mentioning communism might be relevant, but on this thread it's just whataboutery and comes across that you're being an apologist for authoritarian mob mentality. No it doesn't, calm yourself down! I'm perfectly calm, but I don't understand why you would respond to a suggestion that the Trump clan are acting like fascists by saying words to the effect of "but communists are no better". Nobody said they were.
If we want to have a debate about whether or not Trump and his supporters should be considered fascists or that's a bit too strong, that's different, but to switch the debate to communism is just changing the subject.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 5, 2020 21:36:11 GMT
He’s definitely an apologist for the far right, proven in previous posts. Concerning from a moderator to hold such strong views.
Anyway, back on topic - doesn’t appear is if we will get an outcome until the weekend. Shame Biden is merely just the lesser of the two evils but he’s definitely by far the better option.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 21:49:09 GMT
He’s definitely an apologist for the far right, proven in previous posts. Concerning from a moderator to hold such strong views.Anyway, back on topic - doesn’t appear is if we will get an outcome until the weekend. Shame Biden is merely just the lesser of the two evils but he’s definitely by far the better option. I don't think so, but it just seemed a bit defensive of the general right. We shouldn't need to denounce communism every time someone denounces fascism, or vice versa.
Speaking of which, if the BBC are going to refer to Bolsanero as "far-right" as they have done tonight, I think they should do the same for Trump. They're pretty much the same, and Johnson is not far behind.
Regarding the vote, it seems it's possible we'll get a result from Pennsylvania tonight or tomorrow morning, and if that goes Biden's way, he's done it regardless of what happens in the other states.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 5, 2020 22:12:31 GMT
No it doesn't, calm yourself down! I'm perfectly calm, but I don't understand why you would respond to a suggestion that the Trump clan are acting like fascists by saying words to the effect of "but communists are no better". Nobody said they were.
If we want to have a debate about whether or not Trump and his supporters should be considered fascists or that's a bit too strong, that's different, but to switch the debate to communism is just changing the subject.
Just to be clear, communists are infinitely better than fascists. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2020 23:12:56 GMT
Apparently, at the rate he's getting postal votes, Biden looks set to take Pennsylvania and with it the presidency.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 6, 2020 4:42:20 GMT
Trump needs to be held personally responsible for any violence his idiotic and dangerous statements cause. Wanting counts stopped and postal ballots discounted is the height of hypocracy, when Trump himself voted by postal ballot. If a South American leader tried to undermine a democratic election, like this the US who probably send in troops and apply sanctions. There are so many postal ballots, this year because of the coronavirus and a large proportion of them are democratic, as democrats are more likely to vote by post. Biden should be declared president soon. And along with Nevada , could take Pennslyvania and possibly Georgia. That the right wing BBC have been slow to declaire states for Biden, is zero surprise. I just saw an article entitled ' Is there any evidence of voter fraud'? Why are they even giving credence to the ramblings of this unhinnged despot? No longer worth the licence fee Here is to a Biden win, the upholding of the Good Friday Agreement, and another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Hopedully by the end of today, there will only be us and North Korea , with an utter dick as leader
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2020 7:00:05 GMT
Trump needs to be held personally responsible for any violence his idioti and dangerouz statements cause. Wanting counts stopped and postal ballotz discounted is the height of hypocracy, when Trump himself voted by postal ballot. If a South American leader tried to undermine a democratic election, like this the US who probably send in troops and apply sanctions. There are so many postal ballots, this year because of the coronavirus and a large proportion of them are democratic, as democrats are more likely to vote by post. Biden should be declared president soon. And along with Nevada , could take Pennslyvania and possibly Georgia. That the right wing BBC have been slow to declaire states for Biden, is zero surprise. I just saw an article entitled ' Is there any evidence of voter freud'? Why are the even giving credence to the ramblings of this unhinnged despot? No longer worth the licence fee Here is to a Biden win, the upholding of the Good Friday Agreement, and another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Hopedully by the end of today, there will only be us and North Korea , with an utter dick as leader The BBC are trying to be balanced and impartial, but I think it's unnecessary. The time has long passed where we can start using words like "fascist", "far-right" and "dictator" about Trump. I see one of his bratty kids is tweeting his father needs to start "total war". How many children has he got, five or six? I do worry about how long we might have to deal with the Trumps being part of US politics. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 6, 2020 7:49:12 GMT
Donald Trump Jr is every bit as odious and obnoxious, as his father. He will probably stand in 4 years time At least Trump and his entitled offspring will no longer be in the White House, after tonight.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2020 9:32:57 GMT
Georgia is insane. Out of nearly 5 million votes counted, Trump is currently leading by fewer than 500. Food for thought for anyone who thinks "my vote makes no difference".
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2020 9:57:53 GMT
Biden is now ahead in Georgia. If he wins there, the best Trump can do is tie, and that's if he wins every other state still counting.
Not sure what happens in the event of a tie. I think it goes to the Senate, which is Republican dominated.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Nov 6, 2020 10:47:46 GMT
Trump can kick and scream all he likes, that facts are that the states set their own rules for voting beforehand and as long as all of the votes cast within those rules are counted his legal challenges will go nowhere. If it takes a week to count them, so be it. I just hope his rhetoric doesn't spark any violence. He should be held personally accountable if it does.
It's a bit mad that Georgia might come down to a few hundred votes to swing it to Biden, I thought Trump had it in the bag.
Footnote - calling each other fascists and commies is properly childish. I doubt anyone commenting is either.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 6, 2020 14:32:50 GMT
I see Nigel Farage and assorted Tory MPs are taking Trump’s defeat with typical good grace.
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Post by keysersoze on Nov 6, 2020 16:52:15 GMT
Biden is now ahead in Georgia. If he wins there, the best Trump can do is tie, and that's if he wins every other state still counting. Not sure what happens in the event of a tie. I think it goes to the Senate, which is Republican dominated. The House of Representatives chose the president and the Senate chose the Vice President I believe. No US presidential election in modern times has ended in a tie though so probably (hopefully!) a moot point. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Nov 6, 2020 17:31:50 GMT
Trump needs to be held personally responsible for any violence his idiotic and dangerous statements cause. Wanting counts stopped and postal ballots discounted is the height of hypocracy, when Trump himself voted by postal ballot. If a South American leader tried to undermine a democratic election, like this the US who probably send in troops and apply sanctions. There are so many postal ballots, this year because of the coronavirus and a large proportion of them are democratic, as democrats are more likely to vote by post. Biden should be declared president soon. And along with Nevada , could take Pennslyvania and possibly Georgia. That the right wing BBC have been slow to declaire states for Biden, is zero surprise. I just saw an article entitled ' Is there any evidence of voter fraud'? Why are they even giving credence to the ramblings of this unhinnged despot? No longer worth the licence fee Here is to a Biden win, the upholding of the Good Friday Agreement, and another nail in the coffin of Brexit. Hopedully by the end of today, there will only be us and North Korea , with an utter dick as leader we have left the EU so there won't be another nail in the coffin of brexit. It will if Biden blocks a trade deal with the UK,over the Good Friday Agreement. Lol |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2020 18:45:22 GMT
Got a 118-page thread on Brexit, guys. We've done this to death.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 6, 2020 22:34:18 GMT
Dragging on this isn't it? How long does Pennsylvania need to count the last 4% of votes? Reminds me of trying to load a game on a PC in the '90s!
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