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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 8, 2020 12:05:21 GMT
Was also going to pick up on point one - is it really a chance of “change” in the grand scheme of political things? Wealth, power, the rich-poor gap etc. Starmer represents more of the same, just without the far right tendencies.
That his MPs are resigning or being sacked for opposing government bills (as they should do, as members of the oppostion) and he is demanding they all abstain on everything says it all.
To bring it back to topic, it’s similar with the Democrats in the US - I can’t see Biden providing the real change that people need. Let’s hope he listens to Sanders.
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Post by lincolnexile on Nov 8, 2020 12:11:24 GMT
Was also going to pick up on point one - is it really a chance of “change” in the grand scheme of political things? Wealth, power, the rich-poor gap etc. Starmer represents more of the same, just without the far right tendencies. That his MPs are resigning or being sacked for opposing government bills (as they should do, as members of the oppostion) and he is demanding they all abstain on everything says it all. As I said he has got to be the most wishy washy opposition leader ever. Someone needs to tell him that he doesn't have to agree with everything Boris says, the point of the opposition is to oppose occasionally. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Nov 8, 2020 12:16:30 GMT
Was also going to pick up on point one - is it really a chance of “change” in the grand scheme of political things? Wealth, power, the rich-poor gap etc. Starmer represents more of the same, just without the far right tendencies. That his MPs are resigning or being sacked for opposing government bills (as they should do, as members of the oppostion) and he is demanding they all abstain on everything says it all. To bring it back to topic, it’s similar with the Democrats in the US - I can’t see Biden providing the real change that people need. Let’s hope he listens to Sanders. It'll be interesting to see what Biden does about Covid. Again he seems to have been happy to sit in the shadows while Trump gradually tightened a noose around his own neck with every statement, tweet or press conference. Biden didn't really have to win the US election he just had to sit back and watch Trump lose it. Now he needs to stand up and be counted. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 8, 2020 12:28:01 GMT
I suppose I just meant "change" as in a change of government, but I would rather have him as PM than Johnson. Then again, I'd rather have a bag of sick as PM than Johnson.
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Post by everhopeful on Nov 9, 2020 5:05:24 GMT
Topic locked because it's gone way off topic and has descended into petty squabbles yet again.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 7, 2021 6:54:25 GMT
Seems appropriate to reopen this thread now, provided we can ask grown-up.
This is basically what I meant when I said in the first post that a Biden win could be just the start of the fun.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 7, 2021 7:50:17 GMT
A US-led right-wing coup to attempt to deny a democratically-elected leader his rightful place.
Now they know how it feels.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 7, 2021 9:21:45 GMT
So America has gone from one complete idiot to another rip usa
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 7, 2021 10:06:23 GMT
So America has gone from one complete idiot to another rip usa There's an entire universe of difference between Trump and Biden. Biden might not be perfect but the World is an infinitely safer place with him in charge of the USA. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 7, 2021 11:24:15 GMT
The most grating thing about US politics is that it seems like nobody, Republican or Democrat, can get elected without a) praising God every two minutes and b) constantly reminding us how great America is.
Does the average American not look at what's going on there and realise they're a country with massive problems? I'd rather have a politician who acknowledged that.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 7, 2021 14:58:54 GMT
I've heard both Juan Guaido and Jeanine Anez are both looking for a job and have experience of leading puppet coup governments?
Bit of a novelty when its on home soil for the yanks isn't it?
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Post by Lobster on Jan 7, 2021 19:07:20 GMT
It's pretty pathetic hearing our PM and Priti Patel finally stand up to Trump and call him out for what he is, when he only has a fortnight left in the White House.
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Post by Bob on Jan 7, 2021 20:21:51 GMT
So America has gone from one complete idiot to another rip usa There's an entire universe of difference between Trump and Biden. Biden might not be perfect but the World is an infinitely safer place with him in charge of the USA. I don't think Presidents have the sole power to start wars but if we go by your narrative, then let's hope a Biden administration continues Trumps work of not starting any new wars. A streak that was broken for 39 years, for a President starting a war or bringing the USA into a international armed conflict. There have been moves though of course for the US to start a new war though obviously. With the assassination of Qasem Soleimani alongside others. I suspect Biden will continue the foundation in place and a war with Iran will probably happen in a couple years time. To conclude, I think you're wrong. We shall see. |
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 7, 2021 22:31:36 GMT
Also what actually are bidens policies apart from climate change that may suit certain types of Americans but not all
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 8, 2021 8:05:24 GMT
Also what actually are bidens policies apart from climate change that may suit certain types of Americans but not all Which ‘certain types of Americans’ do you refer to? |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 8, 2021 8:16:10 GMT
Anyone who thinks climate change action "doesn't suit them" is clueless. Or deliberately distructive.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 8, 2021 8:31:04 GMT
There's an entire universe of difference between Trump and Biden. Biden might not be perfect but the World is an infinitely safer place with him in charge of the USA. I don't think Presidents have the sole power to start wars but if we go by your narrative, then let's hope a Biden administration continues Trumps work of not starting any new wars. A streak that was broken for 39 years, for a President starting a war or bringing the USA into a international armed conflict. There have been moves though of course for the US to start a new war though obviously. With the assassination of Qasem Soleimani alongside others. I suspect Biden will continue the foundation in place and a war with Iran will probably happen in a couple years time. To conclude, I think you're wrong. We shall see. Trump has divided America like no-one before him, he didn't need to start a war with any other country, they are at war with themselves. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 8, 2021 8:46:45 GMT
Trump and his mob are now responsible for the death of a police officer. It seems "Blues Lives" only matter if they're making sure Black Lives don't.
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Post by luke90 on Jan 8, 2021 10:15:53 GMT
Trump and his mob are now responsible for the death of a police officer. It seems "Blues Lives" only matter if they're making sure Black Lives don't. Shocking isn't it. 5 people dead and this is from the side that claim to respect law and order. The comparisons between the level of policing/security from the events a few days ago to to the BLM protests are clear for the world to see also. Serious questions need to be asked here, though i would guess that the level of security was relaxed as trump supporters are more likley to be going round with ARs (or pipe bombs as the media are reporting). The worrying thing is, most of his supporters are saying that they agree with it. I read something like 45% or republican voters support the actions from Wednesday, and you still have US politicians trying to block Joe Biden's win. I hate to think what is going to happen on inauguration day. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 8, 2021 10:27:47 GMT
Trump and his mob are now responsible for the death of a police officer. It seems "Blues Lives" only matter if they're making sure Black Lives don't. Shocking isn't it. 5 people dead and this is from the side that claim to respect law and order. The comparisons between the level of policing/security from the events a few days ago to to the BLM protests are clear for the world to see also. Serious questions need to be asked here, though i would guess that the level of security was relaxed as trump supporters are more likley to be going round with ARs (or pipe bombs as the media are reporting). The worrying thing is, most of his supporters are saying that they agree with it. I read something like 45% or republican voters support the actions from Wednesday, and you still have US politicians trying to block Joe Biden's win. I hate to think what is going to happen on inauguration day. I think if there's a positive we can take from recent years of politics, its that it's put it right out in the open what the heart of both the Republican and Conservative Party are all about, and in both cases it's pretty ugly. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 8, 2021 17:00:34 GMT
I don't think Presidents have the sole power to start wars but if we go by your narrative, then let's hope a Biden administration continues Trumps work of not starting any new wars. A streak that was broken for 39 years, for a President starting a war or bringing the USA into a international armed conflict. There have been moves though of course for the US to start a new war though obviously. With the assassination of Qasem Soleimani alongside others. I suspect Biden will continue the foundation in place and a war with Iran will probably happen in a couple years time. To conclude, I think you're wrong. We shall see. Trump has divided America like no-one before him, he didn't need to start a war with any other country, they are at war with themselves. They're always bickering amongst themselves. This isn't a new thing and it will get worse. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 11, 2021 9:36:27 GMT
Trump has divided America like no-one before him, he didn't need to start a war with any other country, they are at war with themselves. They're always bickering amongst themselves. This isn't a new thing and it will get worse. Bickering? Its your opinion and i dont agree with you. I dont rise to WUMs. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 11, 2021 9:46:37 GMT
Trump has divided America like no-one before him, he didn't need to start a war with any other country, they are at war with themselves. They're always bickering amongst themselves. This isn't a new thing and it will get worse. I think showing up armed and prepared to take hostages in an attempt to take over your country's seat of democracy, then murdering people in that attempt goes a bit beyond bickering. Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he riled these people up and spread the lies that he has been spreading. It's on him and his sycophants - at least it's satisfying to see them squirm now they're under the spotlight. He might not have started a war as such, but he's tried his best to spark one. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 11:34:55 GMT
They're always bickering amongst themselves. This isn't a new thing and it will get worse. I think showing up armed and prepared to take hostages in an attempt to take over your country's seat of democracy, then murdering people in that attempt goes a bit beyond bickering. Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he riled these people up and spread the lies that he has been spreading. It's on him and his sycophants - at least it's satisfying to see them squirm now they're under the spotlight. He might not have started a war as such, but he's tried his best to spark one. They weren't armed, there'd of been a lot more dead if they were. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 12:03:03 GMT
I think showing up armed and prepared to take hostages in an attempt to take over your country's seat of democracy, then murdering people in that attempt goes a bit beyond bickering. Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he riled these people up and spread the lies that he has been spreading. It's on him and his sycophants - at least it's satisfying to see them squirm now they're under the spotlight. He might not have started a war as such, but he's tried his best to spark one. They weren't armed, there'd of been a lot more dead if they were. I'd be surprised if they weren't. A lot of them won't buy a newspaper and a pint of milk without taking a gun with them. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 11, 2021 12:21:18 GMT
I think showing up armed and prepared to take hostages in an attempt to take over your country's seat of democracy, then murdering people in that attempt goes a bit beyond bickering. Donald Trump knew exactly what he was doing when he riled these people up and spread the lies that he has been spreading. It's on him and his sycophants - at least it's satisfying to see them squirm now they're under the spotlight. He might not have started a war as such, but he's tried his best to spark one. They weren't armed, there'd of been a lot more dead if they were. I'm not sure how to link pictures but a cursory Google image search shows that plenty of people were armed. There's a picture that's been widely circulated of a man now named as Eric Munchel inside the Capitol carrying zip tie style handcuffs and a side arm. It's in the holster so could be a gun, could be a taser. Either way, armed. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 11, 2021 12:43:38 GMT
Multiple reports of shots fired too.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 13:01:44 GMT
Anyway, who needs a gun when you can beat a Police Officer to death with a fire extinguisher?
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 11, 2021 14:24:46 GMT
Also the CNN reports of a vehicle found loaded with guns and explosives edition.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/us-capitol-riots-arrest-pelosi-desk/index.htmlThere's also the carrying of flags on massively over-sized poles that seems to be a thing at these type of protests/rallies/whatevers. A pole slimmer than a broom handle is easily enough to take the weight of a polyester flag but a lot are attached to poles more akin to a baseball bat for use as a weapon. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 17:26:05 GMT
They're always bickering amongst themselves. This isn't a new thing and it will get worse. Bickering? Its your opinion and i dont agree with you. I dont rise to WUMs. I don't agree with you but I don't resort to calling you a WUM. The fact is that the whole country was based on revolution, they were founded on it and on an idea. They're a proposition nation. They will always have episodes like this because they don't know who or what they are anymore. I suggest you read a book on their short history. Plenty of bickering for you to learn. |
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