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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 17:36:08 GMT
They weren't armed, there'd of been a lot more dead if they were. I'm not sure how to link pictures but a cursory Google image search shows that plenty of people were armed. There's a picture that's been widely circulated of a man now named as Eric Munchel inside the Capitol carrying zip tie style handcuffs and a side arm. It's in the holster so could be a gun, could be a taser. Either way, armed. Eric Munchel was never going to overthrow democracy as you claimed though was he? The fact that congress resumed on the same day shown it was just a disorganised, angry mob that was easily dealt with. The hyperbole is amusing but expected. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 17:55:01 GMT
I'm not sure how to link pictures but a cursory Google image search shows that plenty of people were armed. There's a picture that's been widely circulated of a man now named as Eric Munchel inside the Capitol carrying zip tie style handcuffs and a side arm. It's in the holster so could be a gun, could be a taser. Either way, armed. Eric Munchel was never going to overthrow democracy as you claimed though was he? The fact that congress resumed on the same day shown it was just a disorganised, angry mob that was easily dealt with. The hyperbole is amusing but expected. Yeah, only five people died, no big deal. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:35:03 GMT
Eric Munchel was never going to overthrow democracy as you claimed though was he? The fact that congress resumed on the same day shown it was just a disorganised, angry mob that was easily dealt with. The hyperbole is amusing but expected. Yeah, only five people died, no big deal. And congress still got on with the day as if nothing happened. No big deal indeed. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:36:53 GMT
Yeah, only five people died, no big deal. And congress still got on with the day as if nothing happened. No big deal indeed. Bit of a big deal to the family and friends of the copper the fascists beat to death. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 18:38:57 GMT
Yeah, only five people died, no big deal. And congress still got on with the day as if nothing happened. No big deal indeed. Strange argument. That was what they were there to do, so to not do it would've been letting the pricks win. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:42:32 GMT
And congress still got on with the day as if nothing happened. No big deal indeed. Strange argument. That was what they were there to do, so to not do it would've been letting the pricks win. I understand your argument but if they really cared about the people dying they could've delayed it for a day or something out of respect. That wouldn't of hurt. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:44:41 GMT
And congress still got on with the day as if nothing happened. No big deal indeed. Bit of a big deal to the family and friends of the copper the fascists beat to death. And the four other deaths too. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:46:44 GMT
Bit of a big deal to the family and friends of the copper the fascists beat to death. And the four other deaths too. Indeed, so quite a big deal then Robert. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:48:17 GMT
And the four other deaths too. Indeed, so quite a big deal then Robert. Funny how you mentioned the copper death in particular though. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 18:49:31 GMT
Indeed, so quite a big deal then Robert. Funny how you mentioned the copper death in particular though. How is it funny? |
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 18:50:47 GMT
Just is.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 11, 2021 19:44:46 GMT
What a shambles it all is
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 11, 2021 19:46:12 GMT
So America has gone from one complete idiot to another rip usa There's an entire universe of difference between Trump and Biden. Biden might not be perfect but the World is an infinitely safer place with him in charge of the USA. that's debatable an IRA lover well known |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 11, 2021 20:00:39 GMT
There's an entire universe of difference between Trump and Biden. Biden might not be perfect but the World is an infinitely safer place with him in charge of the USA. that's debatable an IRA lover well known Imagine that.  |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 11, 2021 20:18:48 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man.
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Post by Bob on Jan 11, 2021 20:33:25 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man. Symbolism, probably. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 11, 2021 22:20:38 GMT
I'm not sure how to link pictures but a cursory Google image search shows that plenty of people were armed. There's a picture that's been widely circulated of a man now named as Eric Munchel inside the Capitol carrying zip tie style handcuffs and a side arm. It's in the holster so could be a gun, could be a taser. Either way, armed. Eric Munchel was never going to overthrow democracy as you claimed though was he? The fact that congress resumed on the same day shown it was just a disorganised, angry mob that was easily dealt with. The hyperbole is amusing but expected. I did say attempted overthrow - I believe that it'd take a fair bit more to be a successful coup but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed as bickering. If allowed to grow then the next attempt might result in more deaths. There's a person on Twitter called Seamus Hughes who is posting a thread of affidavits, reading through you can see that Eric Munchel was not alone. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 11, 2021 22:23:37 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man. From what I've read a successful impeachment would prevent him from running again in 2024. Also would remove his pension, security detail and travel privileges? All small fry when you're rich anyway but I suppose people need to see consequences for the actions. |
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 11, 2021 22:27:47 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man. From what I've read a successful impeachment would prevent him from running again in 2024. Also would remove his pension, security detail and travel privileges? All small fry when you're rich anyway but I suppose people need to see consequences for the actions. oh well that's cheered me up a bit anyway |
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 11, 2021 22:38:45 GMT
I think we should start another topic worst us president ever
LBJ my choice
Ford
Nixon
Bush jr
Trump that would make interesting reading
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 13, 2021 11:00:07 GMT
No invoking of the 25th Amendment so Articles of Impeachment to be introduced. It looks like a small number of Republicans are behind the move too including some big hitters like Liz Cheney which might encourage others to support it.
It might get closer to success than the previous impeachment but I still can't see it happening.
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Post by cheshireblue on Jan 13, 2021 12:06:23 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man. With Trump’s ego and the fact that 70million+ Americans voted for him, if impeached and found guilty, he won’t be able to ever run again for office, which we all know full well he will do. |
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 15, 2021 7:52:32 GMT
Got to say I'm struggling to see the point in the Democrats trying to impeach him when he leaves a week on Wednesday. It's taken them too long to realise they had a fascist on their hands rather than just a bit of a silly man. From what I've read a successful impeachment would prevent him from running again in 2024. Also would remove his pension, security detail and travel privileges? All small fry when you're rich anyway but I suppose people need to see consequences for the actions. Would he also lose his lifetime armed security guard? |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 15, 2021 11:35:58 GMT
From what I've read a successful impeachment would prevent him from running again in 2024. Also would remove his pension, security detail and travel privileges? All small fry when you're rich anyway but I suppose people need to see consequences for the actions. Would he also lose his lifetime armed security guard? Honestly, I don't know. I've read a few different things about the consequences but I think it's all down to the Senate to decide what the punishment is. For example, I read something yesterday that said he won't automatically lose the right to run again if the impeachment is successful, it would be voted on afterwards. But, different to the impeachment which needs a 2/3rds majority to pass the votes afterwards only need a simple majority so are easier to pass. With the Senate majority changing to the Democrats after the inauguration I guess they could push through whatever punishments they like. |
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Post by everhopeful on Jan 16, 2021 5:40:04 GMT
Would he also lose his lifetime armed security guard? Honestly, I don't know. I've read a few different things about the consequences but I think it's all down to the Senate to decide what the punishment is. For example, I read something yesterday that said he won't automatically lose the right to run again if the impeachment is successful, it would be voted on afterwards. But, different to the impeachment which needs a 2/3rds majority to pass the votes afterwards only need a simple majority so are easier to pass. With the Senate majority changing to the Democrats after the inauguration I guess they could push through whatever punishments they like. The bigger the better. He's led them towards another Civil War. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 20, 2021 21:22:15 GMT
Seems like the inauguration was pretty quiet and haven't seen any reports of trouble. Hopefully we'll be hearing a lot less about American politics for a while now.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 21, 2021 7:46:34 GMT
Seems like the inauguration was pretty quiet and haven't seen any reports of trouble. Hopefully we'll be hearing a lot less about American politics for a while now. I wasn't sure initially, but I think Twitter's action against Trump worked. The louder he is on that platform, the more worked up his followers get. They think they're rebels, but they're sheep basically. They need someone and rich and powerful to instruct them. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Jan 21, 2021 9:20:50 GMT
Seems like the inauguration was pretty quiet and haven't seen any reports of trouble. Hopefully we'll be hearing a lot less about American politics for a while now. I wasn't sure initially, but I think Twitter's action against Trump worked. The louder he is on that platform, the more worked up his followers get. They think they're rebels, but they're sheep basically. They need someone and rich and powerful to instruct them. De-platforming definitely works. It's not something I'd advocate often but in extreme cases it should be done. Seeing some of the Q-Anon and MAGA followers realise they've been duped yesterday was satisfying on one level, I just hope that they can find something more fulfilling to throw their support behind. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 21, 2021 10:39:12 GMT
I wasn't sure initially, but I think Twitter's action against Trump worked. The louder he is on that platform, the more worked up his followers get. They think they're rebels, but they're sheep basically. They need someone and rich and powerful to instruct them. De-platforming definitely works. It's not something I'd advocate often but in extreme cases it should be done. Seeing some of the Q-Anon and MAGA followers realise they've been duped yesterday was satisfying on one level, I just hope that they can find something more fulfilling to throw their support behind. You'll always get the weird corners of the internet like QAnon, but the problem with the likes of Twitter and Facebook is that they're mainstream radicalisers. They introduce ordinary people to batshit theories without them going out of their way to look for them, and a lot of them don't know any better than to believe them. YouTube is possibly the worst in my opinion, I'm regularly shocked and confused by the sort of videos it "recommends" I should be watching. This on the second most visited site on the web (after Google). |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 14, 2021 7:24:44 GMT
You wonder what the point of the impeachment process is in the US. The Republicans had a chance to regain some dignity there but have shown that they will even defend inciting riots and death if it's one of their own.
I see one of them is saying he thought Trump was guilty, but voted not guilty because he isn't president anymore. What a nonsensical cop-out!
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