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Maradona
Nov 27, 2020 9:57:36 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 27, 2020 9:57:36 GMT
BBC Sport are bringing back their classic World Cup rewind today for the ‘86 WC quarter final. Looking forward to seeing the genius at work again. That second goal 😍😍
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 27, 2020 10:10:51 GMT
Although i grew up with Maradona in his prime, i admired his footballing talent but he was always a cheat in my eyes.
Having said that you cant help admire the way other countries embrace their geniuses in football, Brazil with Pele for example and to see the crowds walk past DMs coffin in Argentina is unbelievable. Arguably not in the same class, but the greatest English footballer of my generation was undoubtedly Paul Gascoigne. An absolute genius but treated so differently by the British press than DM ever was by his own country. Absolutely assassinated at every opportunity, much like a lot of our greatest sportsmen. you cant help wondering how great some of our sportsmen and women could actually be if it wasn't for such a vile media and now social media we have in this country.
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Post by Si on Nov 27, 2020 12:19:07 GMT
Out of interest, is it literally just the hand of god that makes people remember him as a cheat? One single moment in his whole career where he used his hand and didn't own up to it? If so, I'm not so sure it warrants people forever labelling him a cheat. Cheating happens all the time in football, diving etc. I don't hear too many people labelling Thierry Henry a cheat for the handball against Ireland in the World Cup play off.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 27, 2020 12:51:20 GMT
Not his fault the officials didn’t see it.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 27, 2020 13:07:06 GMT
Not his fault the officials didn’t see it. He celebrated it though almost immediately, thus influencing the officials. Henry looked very sheepish after his, although he could have owned up to it at the time.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 27, 2020 13:10:45 GMT
Not his fault the officials didn’t see it. You sure about that
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Maradona
Nov 27, 2020 13:16:34 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Nov 27, 2020 13:16:34 GMT
Out of interest, is it literally just the hand of god that makes people remember him as a cheat? One single moment in his whole career where he used his hand and didn't own up to it? If so, I'm not so sure it warrants people forever labelling him a cheat. Cheating happens all the time in football, diving etc. I don't hear too many people labelling Thierry Henry a cheat for the handball against Ireland in the World Cup play off. I suppose there's the whole drugs thing as well, although whether cocaine is actually performance enhancing is debatable. It's more his immaturity that made him hard to love in my opinion. It took him 30 years to acknowledge he had a son, and even in the last World Cup in his 50s, he was celebrating Argentina goals by giving the finger to someone, and joining in with Colombia's nonsense crusade against England. I don't really think he was arrogant, just a bit childish and easily led. That All 4 film is a good watch. It doesn't really try to paint him as a hero. He seems very vulnerable in parts. It covers a lot about his life and let's you make your mind up about him. I found I wasn't entirely sure at the end.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 27, 2020 13:19:13 GMT
Not his fault the officials didn’t see it. You sure about that What’s he going to do? Which player, in that situation in a game of that magnitude, would tell the officials they got it wrong? Show me a player and I’ll show you a liar.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 27, 2020 13:33:05 GMT
What’s he going to do? Which player, in that situation in a game of that magnitude, would tell the officials they got it wrong? Show me a player and I’ll show you a liar. No player would, in any situation, in competitive sport some players will try anything to ensure victory, you have to remember that in 86 relations between the UK and Argentina were still fraught and such a blatent handball should have been seen by any half decent official so it begs the question were the officials completely impartial.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 27, 2020 13:35:14 GMT
Out of interest, is it literally just the hand of god that makes people remember him as a cheat? One single moment in his whole career where he used his hand and didn't own up to it? If so, I'm not so sure it warrants people forever labelling him a cheat. Cheating happens all the time in football, diving etc. I don't hear too many people labelling Thierry Henry a cheat for the handball against Ireland in the World Cup play off. I think the biggest problem people have with Maradonna is the way he lablelled it "the hand of god" implying its some sort of divine retribution for the Falklands war and then of course the route he took down in later life which is all agreat shame really as he was an immense talent of his time. The Henry incident was left as it was a poor decision by the officials
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Maradona
Nov 27, 2020 13:37:13 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 27, 2020 13:37:13 GMT
The Henry incident was left as it was a poor decision by the officials Lol 👀
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Post by paulie on Nov 27, 2020 13:40:04 GMT
Out of interest, is it literally just the hand of god that makes people remember him as a cheat? One single moment in his whole career where he used his hand and didn't own up to it? If so, I'm not so sure it warrants people forever labelling him a cheat. Cheating happens all the time in football, diving etc. I don't hear too many people labelling Thierry Henry a cheat for the handball against Ireland in the World Cup play off. Failed a drugs test at World Cup 94 too.
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Maradona
Nov 27, 2020 14:53:26 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Nov 27, 2020 14:53:26 GMT
What’s he going to do? Which player, in that situation in a game of that magnitude, would tell the officials they got it wrong? Show me a player and I’ll show you a liar. No player would, in any situation, in competitive sport some players will try anything to ensure victory, you have to remember that in 86 relations between the UK and Argentina were still fraught and such a blatent handball should have been seen by any half decent official so it begs the question were the officials completely impartial. People say that, but if you watch the commentary, it's not like the commentators instantly shouted handball. They only spotted it when the reply was shown. In real time I can understand how it was missed.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Nov 27, 2020 15:08:03 GMT
No player would, in any situation, in competitive sport some players will try anything to ensure victory, you have to remember that in 86 relations between the UK and Argentina were still fraught and such a blatent handball should have been seen by any half decent official so it begs the question were the officials completely impartial. People say that, but if you watch the commentary, it's not like the commentators instantly shouted handball. They only spotted it when the reply was shown. In real time I can understand how it was missed. I remember the game well was watching with some mates and we all said straight away handball and were completely astounded when the goal stood. Even the officials blamed each other Taken from BBC article on the death of Bogdan Dochev link"Discussing the incident with the Bulgarian media a few years ago, he added: "Although I felt immediately there was something irregular, back in that time FIFA didn't allow the assistants to discuss the decisions with the referee. "If Fifa had put a referee from Europe in charge of such an important game, the first goal of Maradona would have been disallowed." TV pictures showed Bin Nasser looking towards Dochev as he was running back towards the centre circle after the goal had been scored. And Bin Nasser added: "I was waiting for Dochev to give me a hint of what exactly happened but he didn't signal for a handball.
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Post by soulseal on Nov 28, 2020 12:36:04 GMT
I always felt that Maradona’s second goal was his atonement for the hand of god.
It was as if he knew he would be found out and needed to do something special to appease the critics. His second goal did that, even with the English commentators.
The officials, if not corrupt, were incompetent, and though I did not realise in real time it was a hand ball as I watched, it was clear the England players did and the ref should have. I was angry at the time, as much for the perceived settlement of debts from the Falkland War, which is something Argentina started of course.
I’m over it now and can appreciate a great footballer, but to me Pele will always be the greatest.
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Post by norwegianblue on Nov 29, 2020 21:25:56 GMT
Quality player terrible touch though just watch this video. I’m fortunate to have seen him play for Barcelona at Old Trafford in the Cup Winners Cup (remember that!), didn’t have his best night, Robson kept him quiet! Love this video, don’t see this anymore. Possibly my favourite (non Chester) football video on the net. Awesome player and regret not seeing him play live.
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Post by jb on Nov 30, 2020 11:13:11 GMT
The pressure of supporting a large family at 15, the weight of a whole nation on his shoulders by the age of 17 and the weight of a whole city and region by the age of 24. Not an easy upbringing for Maradona. He may have been a controversial and divisive character but he deserves huge respect for coming from extremely humble beginnings to take himself to the top of his trade and becoming one of the all time greats.
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