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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2020 13:53:36 GMT
It is not surprising that since the takeover at wrexham, there appears to be a new spring in their step. As far as I know, no money hase been spent, but the Club can see light at the end of the tunnel. It may fade and go out, but the news has given them new optimism. Supporting your team is following a dream-getting promotion, playing in the semi-final of the league cup,perhaps a game at Old Trafford. The defeatest talk about being at our level should be forgotten and be more positive. Think about what we can. do not what we can't. I have a recording of Brain Green coaching Chester before we played Newcastle in the quarter final of the League Cup. He convinced his team that Chester (div4) were a better team than Newcastle (top div) and said that if Newcastle want to win, they will have to score more than one goal ,because we are going to score. Final score 1-0 to Chester Lets be positive
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 14:32:50 GMT
It is not surprising that since the takeover at wrexham, there appears to be a new spring in their step. As far as I know, no money hase been spent, but the Club can see light at the end of the tunnel. It may fade and go out, but the news has given them new optimism. Supporting your team is following a dream-getting promotion, playing in the semi-final of the league cup,perhaps a game at Old Trafford. The defeatest talk about being at our level should be forgotten and be more positive.Think about what we can. do not what we can't.I have a recording of Brain Green coaching Chester before we played Newcastle in the quarter final of the League Cup. He convinced his team that Chester (div4) were a better team than Newcastle (top div) and said that if Newcastle want to win, they will have to score more than one goal ,because we are going to score. Final score 1-0 to Chester Lets be positive I agree, I don't think anyone is suggesting we are "at our level" long term, but we don't have a right to be promoted, I think we need to be realistic about where the club is on how to move on. If we get promoted this year how do you think we will fare in the league above. I think a lot of the perceived "settle for where we are" talk comes from tempering the statements from others that we should just magically be higher in the league structure because it's rubbish in this league and people don't like it. I don't think it's positive to just say "we should be beating these, or we should be winning the league" It's unrealistic and counter productive. Thinking about what we can do and being positive, the biggest thing we can do is get people supporting the club. Last year I dragged some friends to games, paying for some of them to come. of the six, four came back two weeks later, 3 are now CFU members and can't wait to back at the games. We've got new people into the matches. The pricing structure is brilliant for kids and student age young people. We have to get them in. It's down to all of us to drag people down hook or by crook. That's the very least we should be doing. Only by growing the fan base can we grow as a club.
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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2020 17:21:28 GMT
Positve thinking even when playing teams well above their status, won Leicester their title, when nobody thought it possible. Its the same with Wigan and Bradford getting into and staying in the top division. The best example was the old Wimbledon who feared nobody!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 17:37:42 GMT
Forget all that hard work and trying to grow the club then, we should just think really positive and it will magically happen. That's much easier.
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Post by henry on Nov 29, 2020 18:10:49 GMT
From being a reformed club until we reached the National league,Neil Young, the team, or the fans never contemplated being beaten by the teams that now beat us regularly. Over the years we had outstanding players who didn't know when they were beaten, Trevor Storton Bob Delgardo and Gary Bennett come to mind. I am sure that there were many more
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Post by alancfc on Nov 29, 2020 21:26:41 GMT
A little perspective goes along way; we’re all not 100% happy with the clubs position in the league system at the moment. Let’s not forget that one of the biggest and most famous football clubs in the world, our near Neighbours Liverpool, have only just celebrated winning a league title after a 30 years of domestic failure.. We on the other hand have built a football club from scratch in 10/11 seasons and have won three league titles; we started in out with nothing more than a town hall full of chairs and a dream. Not bad I reckon. Will it be tough to get out of this league? yes, but compared with what we’ve already been through (two financial crises, one dodgy attempt takeover included) I’m sure it won’t be much longer till we’re back in the conference.
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Post by waggoner on Nov 30, 2020 12:40:18 GMT
A little perspective goes along way; we’re all not 100% happy with the clubs position in the league system at the moment. Let’s not forget that one of the biggest and most famous football clubs in the world, our near Neighbours Liverpool, have only just celebrated winning a league title after a 30 years of domestic failure.. We on the other hand have built a football club from scratch in 10/11 seasons and have won three league titles; we started in out with nothing more than a town hall full of chairs and a dream. Not bad I reckon. Will it be tough to get out of this league? yes, but compared with what we’ve already been through (two financial crises, one dodgy attempt takeover included) I’m sure it won’t be much longer till we’re back in the conference.Sorry but i do not agree. Under our present guise i don't think we will ever get promoted and in the unlikely event we do i don't think we will stay there. As for getting to the EFL? under fan ownership.....never The hybrid model just does not work for us. lots of our rivals are full time We have lost momentum over the last few years and we seem to be going backwards. You mention our 3 titles but we did that when our gates were higher on a wave of euphoria after ousting Vaughan. Those days are long gone. We as with every other club have suffered because of Covid. I think our fans will have got used to not going to the ground, and with they way we are at the moment they may not come back. Can we sustain a run at promotion on crowds of 1200-1400 with just the money out of the fans pockets funding it AND without outside investment? Even if we did can we really complete with clubs in the National league who are heavily bankrolled? Of course not because as the thread states 'that's what money does for you' It is a depressing and sobering thought because far from being a run of the mill club in this division IMO we are punching above our weight just to stay in the top half of the NLN. If this is the case far from this being our 'level' are we playing above our level. I can only see us going one way from now on and that is backwards. All of this is my opinion, others may have their own. However i do feel that it is a realistic assessment of where we are as a club. Finally. Yes we may one day get promoted to the NL for a season, but unlike the last time we won this division we do not have money and the league is much harder than in 2012-13. We are more likely to get out of this league via the trapdoor than through getting promoted
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Post by chesterken on Nov 30, 2020 13:09:36 GMT
A little perspective goes along way; we’re all not 100% happy with the clubs position in the league system at the moment. Let’s not forget that one of the biggest and most famous football clubs in the world, our near Neighbours Liverpool, have only just celebrated winning a league title after a 30 years of domestic failure.. We on the other hand have built a football club from scratch in 10/11 seasons and have won three league titles; we started in out with nothing more than a town hall full of chairs and a dream. Not bad I reckon. Will it be tough to get out of this league? yes, but compared with what we’ve already been through (two financial crises, one dodgy attempt takeover included) I’m sure it won’t be much longer till we’re back in the conference.Sorry but i do not agree. Under our present guise i don't think we will ever get promoted and in the unlikely event we do i don't think we will stay there. As for getting to the EFL? under fan ownership.....never The hybrid model just does not work for us. lots of our rivals are full time We have lost momentum over the last few years and we seem to be going backwards. You mention our 3 titles but we did that when our gates were higher on a wave of euphoria after ousting Vaughan. Those days are long gone. We as with every other club have suffered because of Covid. I think our fans will have got used to not going to the ground, and with they way we are at the moment they may not come back. Can we sustain a run at promotion on crowds of 1200-1400 with just the money out of the fans pockets funding it AND without outside investment? Even if we did can we really complete with clubs in the National league who are heavily bankrolled? Of course not because as the thread states 'that's what money does for you' It is a depressing and sobering thought because far from being a run of the mill club in this division IMO we are punching above our weight just to stay in the top half of the NLN. If this is the case far from this being our 'level' are we playing above our level. I can only see us going one way from now on and that is backwards. All of this is my opinion, others may have their own. However i do feel that it is a realistic assessment of where we are as a club. Finally. Yes we may one day get promoted to the NL for a season, but unlike the last time we won this division we do not have money and the league is much harder than in 2012-13. We are more likely to get out of this league via the trapdoor than through getting promoted What alternative do we have??
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Post by waggoner on Nov 30, 2020 16:25:29 GMT
Sorry but i do not agree. Under our present guise i don't think we will ever get promoted and in the unlikely event we do i don't think we will stay there. As for getting to the EFL? under fan ownership.....never The hybrid model just does not work for us. lots of our rivals are full time We have lost momentum over the last few years and we seem to be going backwards. You mention our 3 titles but we did that when our gates were higher on a wave of euphoria after ousting Vaughan. Those days are long gone. We as with every other club have suffered because of Covid. I think our fans will have got used to not going to the ground, and with they way we are at the moment they may not come back. Can we sustain a run at promotion on crowds of 1200-1400 with just the money out of the fans pockets funding it AND without outside investment? Even if we did can we really complete with clubs in the National league who are heavily bankrolled? Of course not because as the thread states 'that's what money does for you' It is a depressing and sobering thought because far from being a run of the mill club in this division IMO we are punching above our weight just to stay in the top half of the NLN. If this is the case far from this being our 'level' are we playing above our level. I can only see us going one way from now on and that is backwards. All of this is my opinion, others may have their own. However i do feel that it is a realistic assessment of where we are as a club. Finally. Yes we may one day get promoted to the NL for a season, but unlike the last time we won this division we do not have money and the league is much harder than in 2012-13. We are more likely to get out of this league via the trapdoor than through getting promoted What alternative do we have?? Sorry mate but that is an answer i cannot give. I can only suggest that we need outside investment (that's what money does for you) but in all honesty nobody is going to want to invest in a club where most of our fanbase are hostile to anything that is not 100% fan owned. They will want a percentage of the club to put money into it In theory being fully fan owned and run should be great. However in the real world we just do not have enough fans to enable us to invest in the best players at this level and above...we just cannot complete with other clubs. When reforming we had a 5 year plan and also a 7 year plan to get into the EFL. We are now at year 10 and we are not even an established NL club We really need to be open to the idea of outside investors (if they exist) because we are years away from being an established NL club. There are plenty of crooks and shysters out there i know, but the Vaughans, Barnes and guttermanns were forced onto us, we had no say in it. But as a fan owned club we DO have a say. IF someone came in surely we should listen to them?
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Post by bing on Nov 30, 2020 16:38:46 GMT
Getting heartily sick with the circus-like coverage Wrexham's takeover is getting on the BBC website.
Sadly, I can see it snowballing like we saw with Salford - top pick for televised FA cups games in future seasons.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 30, 2020 17:21:37 GMT
What alternative do we have?? Sorry mate but that is an answer i cannot give. I can only suggest that we need outside investment (that's what money does for you) but in all honesty nobody is going to want to invest in a club where most of our fanbase are hostile to anything that is not 100% fan owned. They will want a percentage of the club to put money into it In theory being fully fan owned and run should be great. However in the real world we just do not have enough fans to enable us to invest in the best players at this level and above...we just cannot complete with other clubs. When reforming we had a 5 year plan and also a 7 year plan to get into the EFL. We are now at year 10 and we are not even an established NL club We really need to be open to the idea of outside investors (if they exist) because we are years away from being an established NL club. There are plenty of crooks and shysters out there i know, but the Vaughans, Barnes and guttermanns were forced onto us, we had no say in it. But as a fan owned club we DO have a say. IF someone came in surely we should listen to them? Yes, we should listen to them but so far in our ten years existence not a single person has come in with any credible plans. The only one to do so scarpered as soon as we asked him to present a plan. Tells us all we need to know.
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Post by exiled on Nov 30, 2020 18:44:50 GMT
A little perspective goes along way; we’re all not 100% happy with the clubs position in the league system at the moment. Let’s not forget that one of the biggest and most famous football clubs in the world, our near Neighbours Liverpool, have only just celebrated winning a league title after a 30 years of domestic failure.. We on the other hand have built a football club from scratch in 10/11 seasons and have won three league titles; we started in out with nothing more than a town hall full of chairs and a dream. Not bad I reckon. Will it be tough to get out of this league? yes, but compared with what we’ve already been through (two financial crises, one dodgy attempt takeover included) I’m sure it won’t be much longer till we’re back in the conference.Sorry but i do not agree. Under our present guise i don't think we will ever get promoted and in the unlikely event we do i don't think we will stay there. As for getting to the EFL? under fan ownership.....never The hybrid model just does not work for us. lots of our rivals are full time We have lost momentum over the last few years and we seem to be going backwards. You mention our 3 titles but we did that when our gates were higher on a wave of euphoria after ousting Vaughan. Those days are long gone. We as with every other club have suffered because of Covid. I think our fans will have got used to not going to the ground, and with they way we are at the moment they may not come back. Can we sustain a run at promotion on crowds of 1200-1400 with just the money out of the fans pockets funding it AND without outside investment? Even if we did can we really complete with clubs in the National league who are heavily bankrolled? Of course not because as the thread states 'that's what money does for you' It is a depressing and sobering thought because far from being a run of the mill club in this division IMO we are punching above our weight just to stay in the top half of the NLN. If this is the case far from this being our 'level' are we playing above our level. I can only see us going one way from now on and that is backwards. All of this is my opinion, others may have their own. However i do feel that it is a realistic assessment of where we are as a club. Finally. Yes we may one day get promoted to the NL for a season, but unlike the last time we won this division we do not have money and the league is much harder than in 2012-13. We are more likely to get out of this league via the trapdoor than through getting promoted Don't think the F/L is an option for us in our current guise, but with careful planning the N/L is where we should be looking to establish ourselves. Your right about one thing though. Money is key, it's what helped us get to where we are now, by being able to out spend most clubs as we were climbing the leagues. (Would we have been able to do that with a fanbase of a couple of hundred?). It did the same for Fylde and Salford. The latter being able to continue their progression through the leagues because of it. It boils down to either play it safe and stay where we are, or take a chance, actively seek an investor like Wycombe did and push on with all the risks involved.
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Post by a55cestrian on Nov 30, 2020 20:54:11 GMT
What alternative do we have?? Sorry mate but that is an answer i cannot give. I can only suggest that we need outside investment (that's what money does for you) but in all honesty nobody is going to want to invest in a club where most of our fanbase are hostile to anything that is not 100% fan owned. They will want a percentage of the club to put money into it In theory being fully fan owned and run should be great. However in the real world we just do not have enough fans to enable us to invest in the best players at this level and above...we just cannot complete with other clubs. When reforming we had a 5 year plan and also a 7 year plan to get into the EFL. We are now at year 10 and we are not even an established NL club We really need to be open to the idea of outside investors (if they exist) because we are years away from being an established NL club. There are plenty of crooks and shysters out there i know, but the Vaughans, Barnes and guttermanns were forced onto us, we had no say in it. But as a fan owned club we DO have a say. IF someone came in surely we should listen to them? There is not a word in the post for me that doesn’t ring true, absolutely spot on and to the point. This model is at its limit no two ways about it, Being in the national would be punching above our weight in our current running. Hearing people making tame comments about just sitting here and buckling up for more of the same in the coming years scare me. It’s going to hammer our attendances and would not be shocked to see us actually average a season under 1k in the future if it continues. The delusion from some people thinking we are going to mimic Crewe’s set up and making serious cash on players every season are just plane crazy. No point in quoting three promotions from tinpot leagues when we was able to bully these other clubs into submission, the shoe is now sadly on the other foot. If I wanted to watch a static club with not much room to manoeuvre in terms of leagues then I’d watch Airbus UK, surely being hungry for national/L2 football is a good thing and one this club should strive for by any means necessary. Yes I am aware we went bust and had to start again, so I am fully awake to the potential consequences of selling the club but look at how many other clubs are privately owned. I was asking for a while for someone to mention how many fan owned clubs have gone up in recent times to the FL and only Wimbledon cropped up needless to say their resources being a London club and proximity to lots of other clubs would of helped them no end. If the dirty Goats cannot do it on 5k average with yokels running the club then what hope do we have.
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Post by inthestand on Nov 30, 2020 21:38:41 GMT
A football club like ours will slowly diminish if we are happy to stand still..foot fall will slowly disappear..the only way out is a new benefactor/ owner..like most clubs have..we haven't got the money to compete thats plainly obvious now..its just making sure we get the right one with proper solid intentions...couple of years time (if we survive this covid)we will be looking at 900 to 1000 through the gates..problem we have, time is against us..
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 30, 2020 21:47:06 GMT
Sorry mate but that is an answer i cannot give. I can only suggest that we need outside investment (that's what money does for you) but in all honesty nobody is going to want to invest in a club where most of our fanbase are hostile to anything that is not 100% fan owned. They will want a percentage of the club to put money into it In theory being fully fan owned and run should be great. However in the real world we just do not have enough fans to enable us to invest in the best players at this level and above...we just cannot complete with other clubs. When reforming we had a 5 year plan and also a 7 year plan to get into the EFL. We are now at year 10 and we are not even an established NL club We really need to be open to the idea of outside investors (if they exist) because we are years away from being an established NL club. There are plenty of crooks and shysters out there i know, but the Vaughans, Barnes and guttermanns were forced onto us, we had no say in it. But as a fan owned club we DO have a say. IF someone came in surely we should listen to them? There is not a word in the post for me that doesn’t ring true, absolutely spot on and to the point. This model is at its limit no two ways about it, Being in the national would be punching above our weight in our current running. Hearing people making tame comments about just sitting here and buckling up for more of the same in the coming years scare me. It’s going to hammer our attendances and would not be shocked to see us actually average a season under 1k in the future if it continues. The delusion from some people thinking we are going to mimic Crewe’s set up and making serious cash on players every season are just plane crazy. No point in quoting three promotions from tinpot leagues when we was able to bully these other clubs into submission, the shoe is now sadly on the other foot. If I wanted to watch a static club with not much room to manoeuvre in terms of leagues then I’d watch Airbus UK, surely being hungry for national/L2 football is a good thing and one this club should strive for by any means necessary. Yes I am aware we went bust and had to start again, so I am fully awake to the potential consequences of selling the club but look at how many other clubs are privately owned. I was asking for a while for someone to mention how many fan owned clubs have gone up in recent times to the FL and only Wimbledon cropped up needless to say their resources being a London club and proximity to lots of other clubs would of helped them no end. If the dirty Goats cannot do it on 5k average with yokels running the club then what hope do we have. Really not sure you are in a position to lecture others on delusion when you are seemingly suggesting sub 1k attendances are around the corner if we stay in this league. As far as I'm aware there is absolutely no precedent for that whatsoever and it just comes across as a ludicrous, bad faith claim to try and support your argument. I don't think there is a single fan who isn't "hungry" for League 2. I suppose the difference is that some of us aren't quite hungry enough to flog our club off to some randomer in the hope that they're some sort of mythical white knight when all available evidence shows that no such person exists or is likely to anytime soon. You can reference Wrexham's inability to win promotion as a fan-owned club all you like, why not mention one of the very, very many clubs owned by a rich individual who also can't win promotion, despite throwing bucketfuls of cash at it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:51:09 GMT
A football club like ours will slowly diminish if we are happy to stand still..foot fall will slowly disappear..the only way out is a new benefactor/ owner..like most clubs have..we haven't got the money to compete thats plainly obvious now..its just making sure we get the right one with proper solid intentions...couple of years time (if we survive this covid)we will be looking at 900 to 1000 through the gates..problem we have, time is against us.. My issue lies with the staunch fan ownership soviets who won’t have any notion of private investment. Bang on that only one fan ownership club has ever got to the football league and they were a reformed ex prem team. What’s the point in our existence if we’re not striving for national league and then building a challenge for league 2? We’re already forgotten in this city - stuck down the end of an industrial estate, with little to none marketing or commercial driver. If you went into Chester on a Saturday would you know there’s a football game on? Absolutely not. This starts with private investment somewhere and then for me, a way out of this ground to get us more visible. For fucks sake the nearest boozer is the Chichester or Telfords. The Blues Bar is full of the co owner wrong uns.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 30, 2020 21:52:48 GMT
Did you forget which login you were using then?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:54:39 GMT
Did you forget which login you were using then? No Mancot. It is possible to have the same view as someone else who feels passionately about the limits of fan ownership.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 30, 2020 21:56:25 GMT
Did you forget which login you were using then? No Mancot. It is possible to have the same view as someone else who feels passionately about the limits of fan ownership. Is it also possible that you both always appear at the same time and use the same derogatory terms when referring to your fellow supporters?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 22:02:28 GMT
No Mancot. It is possible to have the same view as someone else who feels passionately about the limits of fan ownership. Is it also possible that you both always appear at the same time and use the same derogatory terms when referring to your fellow supporters? Let’s just stick to the topic in hand Frank and keep saving those pennies for the CFU membership renewal.
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Post by rcb on Nov 30, 2020 22:04:52 GMT
A football club like ours will slowly diminish if we are happy to stand still..foot fall will slowly disappear..the only way out is a new benefactor/ owner..like most clubs have..we haven't got the money to compete thats plainly obvious now..its just making sure we get the right one with proper solid intentions...couple of years time (if we survive this covid)we will be looking at 900 to 1000 through the gates..problem we have, time is against us.. My issue lies with the staunch fan ownership soviets who won’t have any notion of private investment. Bang on that only one fan ownership club has ever got to the football league and they were a reformed ex prem team. What’s the point in our existence if we’re not striving for national league and then building a challenge for league 2? We’re already forgotten in this city - stuck down the end of an industrial estate, with little to none marketing or commercial driver. If you went into Chester on a Saturday would you know there’s a football game on? Absolutely not. This starts with private investment somewhere and then for me, a way out of this ground to get us more visible. For fucks sake the nearest boozer is the Chichester or Telfords. The Blues Bar is full of the co owner wrong uns. Fan ownership was the perfect starter pack. Three years of positivity on the crest of a wave, very good attendances and a very marketable commodity. We had one chance to get it right, and that is well gone now. I cannot see the current format achieving anything of worth. If the two managers are honest, and I have no reason to doubt their integrity, they must realise the project of success they yearned is now unrealistic and will walk by the end of the season. Level six is the lowest we dare be in order to attract external funding. Maybe Daniel Craig leaving the role of James Bond may lead him to look for a project.😜
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Post by inthestand on Nov 30, 2020 22:08:01 GMT
There is not a word in the post for me that doesn’t ring true, absolutely spot on and to the point. This model is at its limit no two ways about it, Being in the national would be punching above our weight in our current running. Hearing people making tame comments about just sitting here and buckling up for more of the same in the coming years scare me. It’s going to hammer our attendances and would not be shocked to see us actually average a season under 1k in the future if it continues. The delusion from some people thinking we are going to mimic Crewe’s set up and making serious cash on players every season are just plane crazy. No point in quoting three promotions from tinpot leagues when we was able to bully these other clubs into submission, the shoe is now sadly on the other foot. If I wanted to watch a static club with not much room to manoeuvre in terms of leagues then I’d watch Airbus UK, surely being hungry for national/L2 football is a good thing and one this club should strive for by any means necessary. Yes I am aware we went bust and had to start again, so I am fully awake to the potential consequences of selling the club but look at how many other clubs are privately owned. I was asking for a while for someone to mention how many fan owned clubs have gone up in recent times to the FL and only Wimbledon cropped up needless to say their resources being a London club and proximity to lots of other clubs would of helped them no end. If the dirty Goats cannot do it on 5k average with yokels running the club then what hope do we have. Really not sure you are in a position to lecture others on delusion when you are seemingly suggesting sub 1k attendances are around the corner if we stay in this league. As far as I'm aware there is absolutely no precedent for that whatsoever and it just comes across as a ludicrous, bad faith claim to try and support your argument. I don't think there is a single fan who isn't "hungry" for League 2. I suppose the difference is that some of us aren't quite hungry enough to flog our club off to some randomer in the hope that they're some sort of mythical white knight when all available evidence shows that no such person exists or is likely to anytime soon. You can reference Wrexham's inability to win promotion as a fan-owned club all you like, why not mention one of the very, very many clubs owned by a rich individual who also can't win promotion, despite throwing bucketfuls of cash at it? i dont think its a case of "flog it off to some randomer"...its has to be the right person of course..but its plain as daylight this model isn't working...you're right in the fact money dosent guarantee success but it goes a very long way of helping...ive always been a big supporter of fan ownership.. but far too many much smaller clubs are mostly bank rolled now..how ever you look at it..we are sliding backwards..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 22:10:44 GMT
My issue lies with the staunch fan ownership soviets who won’t have any notion of private investment. Bang on that only one fan ownership club has ever got to the football league and they were a reformed ex prem team. What’s the point in our existence if we’re not striving for national league and then building a challenge for league 2? We’re already forgotten in this city - stuck down the end of an industrial estate, with little to none marketing or commercial driver. If you went into Chester on a Saturday would you know there’s a football game on? Absolutely not. This starts with private investment somewhere and then for me, a way out of this ground to get us more visible. For fucks sake the nearest boozer is the Chichester or Telfords. The Blues Bar is full of the co owner wrong uns. Fan ownership was the perfect starter pack. Three years of positivity on the crest of a wave, very good attendances and a very marketable commodity. We had once chance to get it right, and that is well gone now. I cannot see the current format achieving anything of worth. If the two managers are honest, and I have no reason to doubt their integrity, they must realise the project of success they yearned is now unrealistic and will walk by the end of the season. Level six is the lowest we dare be in order to attract external funding. Maybe Daniel Craig leaving the role of James Bond may lead him to look for a project.😜 To get this right we had to ride the crest of the wave first time out. 14/15 we finished mid table after 3 promotions in 4 years - we’d consolidated and had great attendances. Instead we made horrendous management appointments, didn’t have any form of marketing or commercial side attracting income and the casual fans that push us to 2,300-2,500 a game stopped coming while we got pumped by tinpot teams again. I fear you’re only a run of bad games from dropping out this league which would be the nail in our coffin and definitely sub 1,000 crowds. For us to progress we’ll need investment unless you’re all happy ticking along against Alfreton and Bradford Park Avenue.
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 30, 2020 22:11:46 GMT
A football club like ours will slowly diminish if we are happy to stand still..foot fall will slowly disappear..the only way out is a new benefactor/ owner..like most clubs have..we haven't got the money to compete thats plainly obvious now..its just making sure we get the right one with proper solid intentions...couple of years time (if we survive this covid)we will be looking at 900 to 1000 through the gates..problem we have, time is against us.. My issue lies with the staunch fan ownership soviets who won’t have any notion of private investment. Bang on that only one fan ownership club has ever got to the football league and they were a reformed ex prem team. What’s the point in our existence if we’re not striving for national league and then building a challenge for league 2? We’re already forgotten in this city - stuck down the end of an industrial estate, with little to none marketing or commercial driver. If you went into Chester on a Saturday would you know there’s a football game on? Absolutely not. This starts with private investment somewhere and then for me, a way out of this ground to get us more visible. For fucks sake the nearest boozer is the Chichester or Telfords. The Blues Bar is full of the co owner wrong uns. There's absolutely no way a football ground would get planning permission anywhere near residential housing. That cuts out anywhere central or one with good local amenities. That's why all new grounds are on out of town sites. Combination of Planning Permission and cost of the land. One of the problems with an owner is that you don't know they'll be good or bad until they've been there a few years. Some people will vote for anyone on the off chance they'll be a good one. Some people will vote against them in case they'll be bad. Others will try to make a balanced decision, albeit based on little information.
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Post by rcb on Nov 30, 2020 22:18:50 GMT
Fan ownership was the perfect starter pack. Three years of positivity on the crest of a wave, very good attendances and a very marketable commodity. We had once chance to get it right, and that is well gone now. I cannot see the current format achieving anything of worth. If the two managers are honest, and I have no reason to doubt their integrity, they must realise the project of success they yearned is now unrealistic and will walk by the end of the season. Level six is the lowest we dare be in order to attract external funding. Maybe Daniel Craig leaving the role of James Bond may lead him to look for a project.😜 To get this right we had to ride the crest of the wave first time out. 14/15 we finished mid table after 3 promotions in 4 years - we’d consolidated and had great attendances. Instead we made horrendous management appointments, didn’t have any form of marketing or commercial side attracting income and the casual fans that push us to 2,300-2,500 a game stopped coming while we got pumped by tinpot teams again. I fear you’re only a run of bad games from dropping out this league which would be the nail in our coffin and definitely sub 1,000 crowds. For us to progress we’ll need investment unless you’re all happy ticking along against Alfreton and Bradford Park Avenue. 👍
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Post by classycas on Dec 1, 2020 0:15:02 GMT
Chester FC need private investment. The problem, as far as I see it, relates to both the fans and the board. With regards to the fans, they do not make the Deva Stadium a pleasant place to attend football. One of the Solihull Moors investors said he put money into the club because he had happy memories of attending Moor Green games as a child. Can you imagine anybody having happy memories of standing on the Harry Mac? The abiding memory of a friend who went to the away fixture at Boston last season is a fellow CFC fan threatening to lay out another Chester fan who disagreed with his opinion of the game. With regards to the CFU board, I am heartily sick of the pleas of "no money" and "hard-working volunteers" while failing to engage the city's business community or even the supporters. For example, have the board/management/players/ex-players been in contact with supporters forced to self-isolate this year? Secondly, does the Deva Stadium have a new sponsor? No.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 0:29:58 GMT
Speaking as one of the aforementioned Blues Bar co owner wrong uns
How many times do we have to rehash this, seem like every other thread since Hollywood came knocking down the road is the same. The same 10 or so people saying we're going nowhere and the only possible solution is outside investment. Then a few posters say we will never get investment because of people wanting to remain fan owned. Throw in a couple of insults at people who are actively involved in being co owners. Then we all go over how great the first few years where when people liked fan ownership which boils down to we won every week. Then with the benefit of hindsight everyone espouses exactly what they think should of happened. Eventually it boils to a few poster left just stating made up beliefs as facts. Everyone ignores the thread. Then a few days later we do it again.
I've said before it's our job as fans at the moment to make this a success until an opportunity arises to change that, criticising the current situation and not offering any suggestions other than a white knight investor with only good intentions magically appears is getting really played out. What do we have to offer. If a proper offer came in I'm most would be open to considering it. I suspect a fair amount of the "rather be fan owned" is based around protecting ourselves from the impending success Wrexham will be having. The talk of "no investor will look at us because roughly half the 50 or so regular posters on Deva Chat prefer fan ownership" is rubbish and agenda driven. No businessman or woman would be put off by that.
We're at the end of an industrial estate, Chester doesn't care about football, the league is rubbish. That absolves us all of having to try to improve the club and fan base and our only chance is for somebody else to appear and solve all our problems. Yet when the managers mention the budget it's "Same excuses every week, shifting the blame". It's what I'd expect from Children expecting an adult to come along and fix everything.
Anyway I look forward to repeating this entire thread on Thursday or Friday.
UTFS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 0:46:26 GMT
Chester FC need private investment. The problem, as far as I see it, relates to both the fans and the board. With regards to the fans, they do not make the Deva Stadium a pleasant place to attend football. One of the Solihull Moors investors said he put money into the club because he had happy memories of attending Moor Green games as a child. Can you imagine anybody having happy memories of standing on the Harry Mac? The abiding memory of a friend who went to the away fixture at Boston last season is a fellow CFC fan threatening to lay out another Chester fan who disagreed with his opinion of the game. With regards to the CFU board, I am heartily sick of the pleas of "no money" and "hard-working volunteers" while failing to engage the city's business community or even the supporters. For example, have the board/management/players/ex-players been in contact with supporters forced to self-isolate this year? Secondly, does the Deva Stadium have a new sponsor? No. Can't speak for everyone but I personally know of three elderly shielding friends and family contacted by the club during the first lockdown to check how they were doing. Don't think it was the board/players though it was one of those "hard-working volunteers" that you're heartily sick of hearing about.
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Post by classycas on Dec 1, 2020 1:20:58 GMT
Can't speak for everyone but I personally know of three elderly shielding friends and family contacted by the club during the first lockdown to check how they were doing. Don't think it was the board/players though it was one of those "hard-working volunteers" that you're heartily sick of hearing about. I stand corrected and applaud those individuals who contacted self-isolating supporters.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Dec 1, 2020 7:36:25 GMT
Chester FC need private investment. The problem, as far as I see it, relates to both the fans and the board. With regards to the fans, they do not make the Deva Stadium a pleasant place to attend football. One of the Solihull Moors investors said he put money into the club because he had happy memories of attending Moor Green games as a child. Can you imagine anybody having happy memories of standing on the Harry Mac? The abiding memory of a friend who went to the away fixture at Boston last season is a fellow CFC fan threatening to lay out another Chester fan who disagreed with his opinion of the game. With regards to the CFU board, I am heartily sick of the pleas of "no money" and "hard-working volunteers" while failing to engage the city's business community or even the supporters. For example, have the board/management/players/ex-players been in contact with supporters forced to self-isolate this year? Secondly, does the Deva Stadium have a new sponsor? No. Can't speak for everyone but I personally know of three elderly shielding friends and family contacted by the club during the first lockdown to check how they were doing. Don't think it was the board/players though it was one of those "hard-working volunteers" that you're heartily sick of hearing about. Correct, I was really proud of the club when I heard what they were doing. I'm sure it meant a lot to those who needed it.
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