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Post by hughie on Dec 5, 2020 18:21:34 GMT
At least we are creating chances and playing attractive football.Many times in the past we would have lost 3.0 and not had a shot a goal.Keep the faith we were the better side against the probable champions.
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Post by agl on Dec 5, 2020 18:23:13 GMT
We're just not a very good side. Destined for a mid table finish the way we defend Agree that we have the look of a mid table side but when you look at other results I get the feeling it's all going to be very bunched up. Don't have to be great to make top seven.
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Post by sammychester on Dec 5, 2020 18:29:13 GMT
We're just not a very good side. Destined for a mid table finish the way we defend Agree that we have the look of a mid table side but when you look at other results I get the feeling it's all going to be very bunched up. Don't have to be great to make top seven. Agreed we still have good points about us and it's a long season where circumstances change and the team learns. I probably was a bit harsh with that post but it's just frustrating at times with the same old results occurring.
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Post by neutral on Dec 5, 2020 18:32:14 GMT
Apparentley been reported in Chesterfield press today it would explain his absence We should be asking if they have a defender (centre half) that we can take on loan. Thought we played well today but we are conceding too many goals...can't just be coincidence. Probably not worth losing too much sleep over...this season is all about surviving. If we finish mid table it's not the end of the world, and York will be top three.
We have loads of centre half’s. Unfortunately they are all rubbish. Taylor sounds like an excellent signing. I always see good comments about him on social media from Chester fans. I just hope we have gone about it the right way given your managers comments.
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 5, 2020 18:41:17 GMT
Funny how the centre halves get the blame again.
York scored from two corners. The first was a shot from 20 yards. The second wasn't from a man either of them were marking. It was rubbish from Morgan.
Kev Roberts got booked after the final whistle. It may be his 5th. If so, he'll miss a game. We've no cover at the back now.
We missed one really good chance, wasted a couple of other decent opportunities, and gave a poor goal away. That was the difference.
It's down to quality of player. Asante scores. Better defender stays on post. You win the game. It's not really a coaching issue.
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Post by agl on Dec 5, 2020 18:50:16 GMT
Funny how the centre halves get the blame again. York scored from two corners. The first was a shot from 20 yards. The second wasn't from a man either of them were marking. It was rubbish from Morgan. Kev Roberts got booked after the final whistle. It may be his 5th. If so, he'll miss a game. We've no cover at the back now. We missed one really good chance, wasted a couple of other decent opportunities, and gave a poor goal away. That was the difference. It's down to quality of player. Asante scores. Better defender stays on post. You win the game. It's not really a coaching issue. I wasn't blaming the centre halves today, but it's an area where we look a bit thin. Generally Grand is a bit careless and neither is getting any younger.
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Post by inthestand on Dec 5, 2020 18:56:21 GMT
I think Grand is feeling it now..nowhere near the player he once was..so slow and inconsistent..but over all we are only a couple of decent players from pushing on a bit..
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Post by agl on Dec 5, 2020 19:00:17 GMT
I think Grand is feeling it now..nowhere near the player he once was..so slow and inconsistent..but over all we are only a couple of decent players from pushing on a bit.. True but we're not in a position to bring anyone in. And if we lose Taylor that makes it three.
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Post by chesterken on Dec 5, 2020 19:02:26 GMT
We should be asking if they have a defender (centre half) that we can take on loan. Thought we played well today but we are conceding too many goals...can't just be coincidence. Probably not worth losing too much sleep over...this season is all about surviving. If we finish mid table it's not the end of the world, and York will be top three.
We have loads of centre half’s. Unfortunately they are all rubbish. Taylor sounds like an excellent signing. I always see good comments about him on social media from Chester fans. I just hope we have gone about it the right way given your managers comments. It will come out if an offer has Been made or not and I have no problem with the lad wanting to better himself and move for more money it just needs to be a good offer as we turned down Harrogate at the start of the season.
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Post by Harry Lime on Dec 5, 2020 19:04:37 GMT
Funny how the centre halves get the blame again. York scored from two corners. The first was a shot from 20 yards. The second wasn't from a man either of them were marking. It was rubbish from Morgan. Kev Roberts got booked after the final whistle. It may be his 5th. If so, he'll miss a game. We've no cover at the back now. We missed one really good chance, wasted a couple of other decent opportunities, and gave a poor goal away. That was the difference. It's down to quality of player. Asante scores. Better defender stays on post. You win the game. It's not really a coaching issue. I wasn't blaming the centre halves today, but it's an area where we look a bit thin. Generally Grand is a bit careless and neither is getting any younger. We do look thin in defence. However, Kev Roberts can cover. Harrison Burke looks a good prospect for next season, or, later this season. We're actually fairly thin all over except centre midfield. We've a few strikers, but no stand out.
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Post by agl on Dec 5, 2020 19:05:34 GMT
We have loads of centre half’s. Unfortunately they are all rubbish. Taylor sounds like an excellent signing. I always see good comments about him on social media from Chester fans. I just hope we have gone about it the right way given your managers comments. It will come out if an offer has Been made or not and I have no problem with the lad wanting to better himself and move for more money it just needs to be a good offer as we turned down Harrogate at the start of the season. Taylor didn't seem that bothered about Harrogate....I think Chesterfield are a different proposition. They seem to have found a bit of cash..God knows how much Asante is getting if he was on 950 a week at Gloucester
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Post by Lobster on Dec 5, 2020 19:15:18 GMT
At least we are creating chances and playing attractive football.Many times in the past we would have lost 3.0 and not had a shot a goal.Keep the faith we were the better side against the probable champions. A common complaint in the last two seasons has been that we never lose unluckily, when we lose we always play poorly and are well beaten. Be careful what you wish for I suppose as every game we've lost this season has been one we could and should have taken something from. I suppose the positive way of looking at it is that if we can stop letting in so many poor goals, we're doing enough to take points from tricky games.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Dec 5, 2020 19:19:31 GMT
At least we are creating chances and playing attractive football.Many times in the past we would have lost 3.0 and not had a shot a goal.Keep the faith we were the better side against the probable champions. A common complaint in the last two seasons has been that we never lose unluckily, when we lose we always play poorly and are well beaten. Be careful what you wish for I suppose as every game we've lost this season has been one we could and should have taken something from. I suppose the positive way of looking at it is that if we can stop letting in so many poor goals, we're doing enough to take points from tricky games. Thats hitting the nail on the head, but how do we stop it, it seems we practise defending set pieces yet its happened every game bar 1, I just wish we could find the answer
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Post by chesterken on Dec 5, 2020 19:26:44 GMT
It will come out if an offer has Been made or not and I have no problem with the lad wanting to better himself and move for more money it just needs to be a good offer as we turned down Harrogate at the start of the season. Taylor didn't seem that bothered about Harrogate....I think Chesterfield are a different proposition. They seem to have found a bit of cash..God knows how much Asante is getting if he was on 950 a week at Gloucester I just don’t think he’s been the same player since the original offer he used to be man of the match most weeks how many good performances has he had this season.
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Post by bluejay on Dec 5, 2020 20:16:12 GMT
I wasn't blaming the centre halves today, but it's an area where we look a bit thin. Generally Grand is a bit careless and neither is getting any younger. We do look thin in defence. However, Kev Roberts can cover. Harrison Burke looks a good prospect for next season, or, later this season. We're actually fairly thin all over except centre midfield. We've a few strikers, but no stand out. We might need to risk some of the youngsters whilst we all wind our neck in a bit and accept our position. And the youngsters we were forced to bring in last time we were so thin on the ground ended up doing pretty well
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Post by brianfelshaw on Dec 5, 2020 20:46:31 GMT
I though we played really well today and created numerous opportunities to score the equaliser.
What does seem to be apparent is the slight edge the full time teams seem to have over us, York, Gloucester and Gateshead being the obvious ones.
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Post by sealandender1 on Dec 5, 2020 21:20:23 GMT
I though we played really well today and created numerous opportunities to score the equaliser. What does seem to be apparent is the slight edge the full time teams seem to have over us, York, Gloucester and Gateshead being the obvious ones. Totally take your point bf over issues of the full time clubs having the edge over many of the clubs including ourselves. But the question I have to ask is what coaching work, tactical planning and in particular defensive set-ups are being worked on. We have a newish coach within our ranks, but is he producing anything of benefit for the first team squad? I’m not having a swipe at our two managers and a coach , but in this league we should be producing slightly better defensive formations than we are at present!
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Post by Hoff Side on Dec 5, 2020 22:51:38 GMT
Our midfield is a good as any in this league. But our defence gives far too many poor goals away and up front we are useless. Elliot is very poor, Waring does nothing for such a big lad. The others must be showing nothing in training to not get a start. I think we have to accept that we are a mid table team.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Dec 5, 2020 23:34:56 GMT
Our midfield is a good as any in this league. But our defence gives far too many poor goals away and up front we are useless. Elliot is very poor, Waring does nothing for such a big lad. The others must be showing nothing in training to not get a start. I think we have to accept that we are a mid table team. 5 goals in 10 games - "very poor". Please stop embarrassing yourself like this.
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Post by Hoff Side on Dec 5, 2020 23:42:09 GMT
Our midfield is a good as any in this league. But our defence gives far too many poor goals away and up front we are useless. Elliot is very poor, Waring does nothing for such a big lad. The others must be showing nothing in training to not get a start. I think we have to accept that we are a mid table team. 5 goals in 10 games - "very poor". Please stop embarrassing yourself like this. 3 from the penalty spot, 2 from open play! If you think this is a good return,fair enough. But i'll say it again without any embarrassment, Elliot is very poor.
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Post by Lobster on Dec 6, 2020 0:16:37 GMT
5 goals in 10 games - "very poor". Please stop embarrassing yourself like this. 3 from the penalty spot, 2 from open play! If you think this is a good return,fair enough. But i'll say it again without any embarrassment, Elliot is very poor. It's one every two games - 20+ a season if he keeps it up. So what if some of them were penalties, do penalties score themselves? Also I think he won at least two of those penalties himself.
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Post by Forever Blue on Dec 6, 2020 1:54:49 GMT
Until our managers get a grip of our defence turning off we will continue leaking goals like a sieve, It really is driving me mad the amount of times we go ahead or draw level to then only concede stupid goals within minutes. I might except this if it was a new thing this season given the circumstances but it's not and dumber and dumber seem to have no clue how to change it, we will never get out this league unless that changes and we get a decent striker.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 6, 2020 4:19:43 GMT
5 goals in 10 games - "very poor". Please stop embarrassing yourself like this. 3 from the penalty spot, 2 from open play! If you think this is a good return,fair enough. But i'll say it again without any embarrassment, Elliot is very poor. Elliott is not very poor He is young and inexperienced and is atill developing. This is his second full season. His movement is good and he has pace what he lacks is guile and experience We are not in a position to go out and buy a striker, Can the lad be coached to be a better player? Definately. I would rather take a player, like Elliott Marsh Hughes or Goodwin and develop them, than have an over the hill, Ross Hannah whose career is steadily in decline At least these lads have the potential to get better.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Dec 6, 2020 8:02:12 GMT
Can Brad Bauress play left back? It might be worth giving Burke some game time too.
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Post by agl on Dec 6, 2020 10:01:26 GMT
3 from the penalty spot, 2 from open play! If you think this is a good return,fair enough. But i'll say it again without any embarrassment, Elliot is very poor. Elliott is not very poor He is young and inexperienced and is atill developing. This is his second full season. His movement is good and he has pace what he lacks is guile and experience We are not in a position to go out and buy a striker, Can the lad be coached to be a better player? Definately. I would rather take a player, like Elliott Marsh Hughes or Goodwin and develop them, than have an over the hill, Ross Hannah whose career is steadily in decline At least these lads have the potential to get better. We were spoiled having Asante for two seasons, let's be honest. Elliott is what you get at this level for our budget...as you say, he has the potential to improve. He will probably chip in with 12 goals or so. He strikes me as a confidence player who will score in bursts, then have a mini drought. We need to try and get him contributing more when he isn't scoring ... particularly in developing his hold up play and letting our talented midfielders get forward. He also seems like quite a thoughtful lad, who doesn't need everyone getting on his back. Writing him off as poor really doesn't help. There's a decent player there and we're in no position to bring in anyone more experienced. The only option I can see to shake things up would be to let Matty Hughes go on loan. He's fallen behind Goodwin, we also have Marsh Hughes and Waring provides a different style.
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Post by hughie on Dec 6, 2020 10:33:18 GMT
Jackson has a damaged toe so not fit to play Johnson said in his after match comments.Bauress would make a good attacking left back I feel.Also Paddy Lacey can play in defensive positions..Plenty of options available.
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Post by johny9 on Dec 6, 2020 12:14:04 GMT
Worrying thing for me is our record against the top 7 teams in this league last season and now this . I can only think of kings Lynn at home last year as our only win and this year Gloucester , York , Gateshead , spennymoor will probably be top 7 and we have lost all them games . Think it’s clear we are just not quite there yet . I believe we are a better team this year and a good striker away from being right up there . ( also the defending set pieces needs improving !!)
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Post by happyclapper on Dec 6, 2020 12:32:08 GMT
3 from the penalty spot, 2 from open play! If you think this is a good return,fair enough. But i'll say it again without any embarrassment, Elliot is very poor. Elliott is not very poor He is young and inexperienced and is atill developing. This is his second full season. His movement is good and he has pace what he lacks is guile and experience We are not in a position to go out and buy a striker, Can the lad be coached to be a better player? Definately. I would rather take a player, like Elliott Marsh Hughes or Goodwin and develop them, than have an over the hill, Ross Hannah whose career is steadily in decline At least these lads have the potential to get better. Agree about Elliott, he is developing and if he carries on with strike ratio he'll get the 20 plus goals a season you need from a main striker. His movement is good but more so outside the box rather than inside, he runs the channels really well but frustratingly when in the box I think his movement is poor and im not sure that will improve with coaching or experience. Yesterday for instance he constantly made runs in behind their 2 huge centre halves in the box which meant when we put the crosses in they were easy for York to clear them. He's got to have the intelligence to realise we ain't gonna be able to drop those crosses right on top of his head against huge centre halves who are decent in the air. He's got to get across and in front of his marker in the box to cause them an issue, that's common sense as a player which he should realise himself and the players around him should be telling him that as well. It doesn't require the managers/coaches to coach that into him.
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Post by chesterken on Dec 6, 2020 13:03:24 GMT
He should have learned off Asante as he could find space in a cardboard box.
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Post by rcb on Dec 6, 2020 15:56:28 GMT
Worrying thing for me is our record against the top 7 teams in this league last season and now this . I can only think of kings Lynn at home last year as our only win and this year Gloucester , York , Gateshead , spennymoor will probably be top 7 and we have lost all them games . Think it’s clear we are just not quite there yet . I believe we are a better team this year and a good striker away from being right up there . ( also the defending set pieces needs improving !!) Sorry to disagree, but we have played ten games so far and have scored in EVERY game. We have lost four, each one by the odd goal, and have score drawn twice. We have a ridiculous ability to concede poor goals and this alone is the reason why we are not top of the league. Nothing has been achieved in addressing this one issue since the end of last season.
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