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Post by Oaks Blue on Dec 9, 2020 12:15:28 GMT
Is this still about football? Nope Are you still here?
Yep
Are you a moderator who doesn't enforce the rules? Yep |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 9, 2020 12:17:48 GMT
Are you a moderator who doesn't enforce the rules? Yep I'll move it to off topic and alter the title. |
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Post by everhopeful on Dec 10, 2020 9:29:22 GMT
I have read the Manifestos from both UK BLM and Welsh BLM which parts do you think are inherently marxist? and if possible can you explain what you see "Marxist" as being. Not trying to pick a fight I'm genuinely interested to see a point of view on this which is so different to mine. I'm quite happy to move that to off topic as it's strays away from the original topic. I don't know about the specific publications that you mention, but the BLM co-founder, Patrisse Cullors admits that she and the other co-founders are 'trained Marxists'. Her quotes on this are freely available all over the net. BLM literally self-identifies as a neo-Marxist movement with various far left objectives, including defunding the police (an evolution of the Panther position of public open-carry to control the police in US), to dismantling capitalism and the patriarchal system, disrupting the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure, seeking reparations from slavery to redistribute wealth and via various offshoot appeals, to raise money to bail black prisoners awaiting trial (for crimes they actually did commit). Some manifesto demands are: - Implement mandatory diversity and inclusion training for all (!!!) , celebrate the achievements of our Black and minority ethnic staff and service users (just black staff then?), make our values and commitment to anti-racism clear through developing an Equality, Diversity and Inclusion (EDI) Action Plan (fair enough) Create a designated EDI post in our HR team to support our Black staff , Improve our staff ethnicity data and publish race pay gap (illegal in UK, so cr*p) reporting from 2021 , Set up an EDI reference group to audit and challenge our social media, publications and promotional activity, to ensure positive images and messaging , Enable and support all our Black staff and those from under-represented groups working as senior support workers or more senior roles to complete accredited professional and management qualifications. Many in the UK may believe that homelessness and other issues are more pressing than say Lewis Hamilton's troubles. The UK is not systemically racist and people shouldn't be shamed/bullied into taking the knee or diversity and inclusion training. So are you saying that you believe it is equitable to pay anybody who isn't white a lesser rate of pay for doing the same job as somebody who IS white? If so, then surely that has to be a real definition of being a racist. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 10, 2020 12:14:00 GMT
Would also like to know why he has a problem with making diversity training mandatory in the workplace.
Putting those two points together, it doesn’t look good does it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2020 13:57:28 GMT
I have never worked any where where rates of pay were disclosed. You got paid by your ability to do the job and also how good a negotiater you were. I don't doubt people got different rates for the same job but it seemed to work as some people were happy to coast through life yet others would go the extra mile. I have worked with lots of different nationalities but have never witnessed racism. maybe the companies I worked for were just better employers.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 11, 2020 0:01:42 GMT
Bringing it back to football, can anybody tell me why we should have poppies on shirts and minutes silences for the World Wars but shouldn’t have any recognition for the struggles of ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ ?
Seems to me the whole “keep politics out of football” is only for when it suits certain people’s agenda.
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Post by blaconboy on Dec 11, 2020 7:46:38 GMT
Bringing it back to football, can anybody tell me why we should have poppies on shirts and minutes silences for the World Wars but shouldn’t have any recognition for the struggles of ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ ? Seems to me the whole “keep politics out of football” is only for when it suits certain people’s agenda. That is not a political act. It is a remembrance of all the men and women who either died or were injured/affected by any war fought since 1914. This includes all races and creeds. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2020 8:48:01 GMT
Bringing it back to football, can anybody tell me why we should have poppies on shirts and minutes silences for the World Wars but shouldn’t have any recognition for the struggles of ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ ? Seems to me the whole “keep politics out of football” is only for when it suits certain people’s agenda. That is not a political act. It is a remembrance of all the men and women who either died or were injured/affected by any war fought since 1914. This includes all races and creeds. I think it's become politicised, rightly or wrongly, become of some overzealous people on both sides of the debate. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 11, 2020 9:06:56 GMT
Bringing it back to football, can anybody tell me why we should have poppies on shirts and minutes silences for the World Wars but shouldn’t have any recognition for the struggles of ethnic minorities and LGBTQ+ ? Seems to me the whole “keep politics out of football” is only for when it suits certain people’s agenda. That is not a political act. It is a remembrance of all the men and women who either died or were injured/affected by any war fought since 1914. This includes all races and creeds. I 100% agree with you. It isn’t a political act. Just as showing solidarity with marginalised groups isn’t. |
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Post by Lobster on Dec 11, 2020 11:40:41 GMT
You can argue that just about anything is political. Food banks, for example. There are still plenty of appaling "if you can't afford kids, don't have them" people who seem to think that if you have no money that's your own fault and you shouldn't expect charity. On the other hand, there's an argument that supporting food banks allows the government to get away with doing nothing about rising poverty levels.
What we have to decide is does the kindness and good intent behind a campaign outweigh any political aspect we may not agree with. That's why I basically support food banks, the poppy appeal and BLM. To put any minor objection I might have about campaigns above the greater good of them is selfish, and is making the whole thing about myself.
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