dhw
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Post by dhw on Jan 12, 2021 13:48:34 GMT
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Post by bluedave on Jan 12, 2021 14:25:53 GMT
That is a good statement. Hopefully that will result in some action. It would be terrible if a joint statement from so many clubs is ignored.
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Jan 12, 2021 17:03:11 GMT
I cant think why all clubs would not sign up to this ?
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 12, 2021 18:24:09 GMT
I cant think why all clubs would not sign up to this ? Certain clubs have already committed to making a significant loss this season to achieve promotion and don't want the playing field levelled?
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Post by KeithM on Jan 12, 2021 18:42:50 GMT
I think that the directors are now very close to making the decision to put the club into hibernation. If new money does not become available very soon they have no choice.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 12, 2021 19:21:15 GMT
Rightly so. The only way we’ll have a club to support when all this is over.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 12, 2021 19:45:38 GMT
But which league do you end up in after hibernation? If we're the only club to do so do we need to apply to join NW Counties Two?
That's not a criticism, more of a genuine question.
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Post by waggoner on Jan 13, 2021 12:04:37 GMT
But which league do you end up in after hibernation? If we're the only club to do so do we need to apply to join NW Counties Two?That's not a criticism, more of a genuine question. If this were to happen i would imagine it would be the end of the club really. I don't think there will be too many wanting to watch P/T football 4 leagues below where we are now
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 13, 2021 12:10:24 GMT
But which league do you end up in after hibernation? If we're the only club to do so do we need to apply to join NW Counties Two?That's not a criticism, more of a genuine question. If this were to happen i would imagine it would be the end of the club really. I don't think there will be too many wanting to watch P/T football 4 leagues below where we are now Maybe people rally round again in a feeling of being shafted by the NL. If the 12 clubs all went into hibernation, you could end up with 6 of them applying for NW Counties. The League couldn't cope with that either. Be competitive in there with 5 other NL clubs all trying to get promoted. We probably either need central funding or a termination of the season.
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Post by chesterken on Jan 13, 2021 12:25:19 GMT
If this were to happen i would imagine it would be the end of the club really. I don't think there will be too many wanting to watch P/T football 4 leagues below where we are now Maybe people rally round again in a feeling of being shafted by the NL. If the 12 clubs all went into hibernation, you could end up with 6 of them applying for NW Counties. The League couldn't cope with that either. Be competitive in there with 5 other NL clubs all trying to get promoted. We probably either need central funding or a termination of the season. If things do go tits up I don’t think we will need to worry about starting four leagues down because if this carries on the whole non league structure will collapse, virtually every team at this level and below will fold.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 13, 2021 12:36:30 GMT
Maybe people rally round again in a feeling of being shafted by the NL. If the 12 clubs all went into hibernation, you could end up with 6 of them applying for NW Counties. The League couldn't cope with that either. Be competitive in there with 5 other NL clubs all trying to get promoted. We probably either need central funding or a termination of the season. If things do go tits up I don’t think we will need to worry about starting four leagues down because if this carries on the whole non league structure will collapse, virtually every team at this level and below will fold. You maybe right. The leagues below us have gone into hibernation already though. Probably saving them. We only ended up as Elite Sport because the NL wanted to ensure 2 teams were promoted into FL. Couldn't do that without NLN and NLS continued too. Another really poor decision by self serving people.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jan 13, 2021 12:39:35 GMT
The purpose of the statement from the 12 clubs is to help the National League in their discussions with the FA and DCMS. Extract below from letter to clubs from General Manager Mark Ives posted by AVFO.
The League has a series of meetings scheduled for this week and we will be doing all we can, in seeking the support of the Football Association to secure the funding as grants if possible and to overcome any negativity caused by adverse publicity.
Finance will be available and it is important pressure is applied to ensure that it is in the form of a grant not a loan.
Has Harry Lime says the basic options should be central funding (grants) or a termination of the season.
In my personal view talk of relegation to North West Counties is neither helpful or a real possibility at the moment. This is especially the case as Step 3 to 7 are heading for null and void and the National League plans to expand the NLN and NLS by two clubs per division.
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Post by Harry Lime on Jan 13, 2021 15:55:05 GMT
The purpose of the statement from the 12 clubs is to help the National League in their discussions with the FA and DCMS. Extract below from letter to clubs from General Manager Mark Ives posted by AVFO. The League has a series of meetings scheduled for this week and we will be doing all we can, in seeking the support of the Football Association to secure the funding as grants if possible and to overcome any negativity caused by adverse publicity.Finance will be available and it is important pressure is applied to ensure that it is in the form of a grant not a loan. Has Harry Lime says the basic options should be central funding (grants) or a termination of the season. In my personal view talk of relegation to North West Counties is neither helpful or a real possibility at the moment. This is especially the case as Step 3 to 7 are heading for null and void and the National League plans to expand the NLN and NLS by two clubs per division. I only mentioned NW Counties as a possibility as if a club fails to complete a season their results would normally be struck out and they would need to apply as a new club at the lowest level. Not saying it would, or should, happen. However, it could be a possibility if the FA follow their own rules. Depends on whether the league is terminated, or if a club decides not to complete their season while everyone else does. Who knows what the NL would do. Wouldn't trust them at all.
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 13, 2021 16:44:55 GMT
Would the streaming cover the cost of staging matches if we were to furlough the first team squad and compete with the youth team? Obviously not ideal, but I wouldn't trust the authorities (especially the National League) if we were to be the only club, or one of only a couple of clubs, not to complete the season without the league being formally terminated.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jan 13, 2021 17:02:43 GMT
Would the streaming cover the cost of staging matches if we were to furlough the first team squad and compete with the youth team? Obviously not ideal, but I wouldn't trust the authorities (especially the National League) if we were to be the only club, or one of only a couple of clubs, not to complete the season without the league being formally terminated. I doubt we get big enough numbers for streaming to cover the cost of staging games and if it were the youth team these numbers could fall we are very much in the hands of the NL unfortunatley and that is a daunting prospect
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Post by classycas on Jan 13, 2021 17:05:44 GMT
Would the streaming cover the cost of staging matches if we were to furlough the first team squad and compete with the youth team? Obviously not ideal, but I wouldn't trust the authorities (especially the National League) if we were to be the only club, or one of only a couple of clubs, not to complete the season without the league being formally terminated. Good idea but I would think the streaming revenue would fall faster than Chester’s league position if the club competed with just its youth team for the rest of the season. Who’d pay to watch Chester get toned game after game? While the club was set up with a no-debt policy, this was before the likes of COVID and its financial effects entered anyone’s wildest thoughts. I think the CFU should ballot its members about taking on a £100,000 debt repayable over 25 years (ie similar to a domestic mortgage) and progress that way. In the meantime, counting selling player sponsorships, virtual match and matchball sponsorships or even offering stadium sponsorship to a charity in return for coverage on Granada Reports, North West Tonight, Sky Sports News or Match of the Day.
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Post by Anders on Jan 13, 2021 22:50:43 GMT
I cant think why all clubs would not sign up to this ? Telford & Gateshead would have but didn't respond in time apparently.
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Post by ray from kelsall on Jan 14, 2021 8:36:10 GMT
Mr Murphy may have saved us from all this distress
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 14, 2021 9:59:37 GMT
Mr Murphy may have saved us from all this distress Don't think so. Would have thought it'd have been in his interest to 'hibernate' the club. Wasn't interested in football.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 14, 2021 10:06:40 GMT
The absolute neck of brass on the Gloucester City chairman signing that.
Hope the Government see sense here. Be surprised though.
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Post by waggoner on Jan 14, 2021 10:16:42 GMT
The absolute neck of brass on the Gloucester City chairman signing that. Hope the Government see sense here. Be surprised though. TBH i see no value at all in non league clubs just struggling along with no fans in the ground, no real funding at all and fighting to stay afloat. It would be better to hibernate the whole of the non league pyramid until late spring
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 14, 2021 10:30:47 GMT
The absolute neck of brass on the Gloucester City chairman signing that. Hope the Government see sense here. Be surprised though. TBH i see no value at all in non league clubs just struggling along with no fans in the ground, no real funding at all and fighting to stay afloat. It would be better to hibernate the whole of the non league pyramid until late spring I think that the League will end up abandoning the season too. The problem with that is the clubs still accrue debt to landlords, electrical, phones, rates, maintenance etc. Add to that clubs at our level have contracted players they have to pay, most without COVID clauses. Although if the League is abandoned the staff could then be furloughed. Its a tightrope, and certainly the most difficult one that any board of CFC/CCFC has had to walk that wasn't of their own making. I would also like to say that I think the CFC board have been exemplary throughout the pandemic. Their actions and communications have been terrific.
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Post by avfo on Jan 14, 2021 12:53:27 GMT
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Post by cityboy5705 on Jan 14, 2021 12:54:55 GMT
Mr Murphy may have saved us from all this distress Don't think so. Would have thought it'd have been in his interest to 'hibernate' the club. Wasn't interested in football. agreed I'm afraid Murphy showed his true colours when asked to provide documentation about funds he walked away from the deal I thank him for all he did but wouldn't want him full owner
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Post by Lobster on Jan 14, 2021 18:17:39 GMT
Mr Murphy may have saved us from all this distress Aside from anything else, his sector, property, is hardly the most secure one post-pandemic.
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Post by Forever Blue on Jan 15, 2021 0:17:24 GMT
Simple honest and reflective of the current situation.
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Post by oldboneze on Jan 15, 2021 9:39:50 GMT
Email from Justin Madders MP for Ellesmere Port and Neston this morning: Hi I certainly support this move and have emailed the Secretary of State today as follows: Dear Oliver Further to our previous correspondence, I am concerned to hear that Chester Football Club are yet to receive details of the £11m funding from the Department of Culture, Media & Sport which is due to be distributed by Sports England. As you will be aware, the funding from the National Lottery ended last month and with the ongoing pandemic, the future of clubs is less than certain. They require clarity on the funding announced and I support the calls for this to be delivered by way of a grant, not a loan. Yours sincerely Justin Madders I have now tabled the following question: To ask the Secretary of State for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport, what recent discussions he has had with the National League Board on (a) the distribution of funds to National League Football clubs to assist with covering lost gate revenue due to the covid-19 outbreak and (b) publishing the findings of the Independent Review Panel on club funding. questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2021-01-08/134487Kind regards Justin
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