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Post by waggoner on Jun 10, 2021 21:01:26 GMT
If it outs the racists and those so-called “supporters” who would rather boo and jeer their own team before the match even kicks off that’s at least one good thing to come from it. But the problem is that taking the knee will encourage the knobhead element of every club to boo... it's the nature of morons, they just can't help themselves. What happens when it starts at the Deva? Because it is likely to. We do have a small minority of our fans who love to offend. Like chanting about dead fans during a minutes silence for over 200 dead miners. I would hate it to happen but i fear it will. We have only had fans into grounds for a few weeks and there are plenty of incidents of booing taking a knee. It is possible it will happen at every match..What an horrific thought! Just imagine the outcry in Govt and at the FA. Racism is imbedded in society and needs addressing at schools from the first day. Beating racism will only be done by educating people. Taking a knee IF it gives dickheads a platform to boo is counter productive and something better needs to be arranged
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Post by dannydeva on Jun 10, 2021 23:31:43 GMT
If it outs the racists and those so-called “supporters” who would rather boo and jeer their own team before the match even kicks off that’s at least one good thing to come from it. But the problem is that taking the knee will encourage the knobhead element of every club to boo... it's the nature of morons, they just can't help themselves. What happens when it starts at the Deva? Because it is likely to. We do have a small minority of our fans who love to offend. Like chanting about dead fans during a minutes silence for over 200 dead miners. I would hate it to happen but i fear it will. We have only had fans into grounds for a few weeks and there are plenty of incidents of booing taking a knee. It is possible it will happen at every match..What an horrific thought! Just imagine the outcry in Govt and at the FA. Racism is imbedded in society and needs addressing at schools from the first day. Beating racism will only be done by educating people. Taking a knee IF it gives dickheads a platform to boo is counter productive and something better needs to be arranged I don’t think you can compare people being against Black Lives Matter as a political movement to disrespecting the dead?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 11, 2021 8:04:56 GMT
He isn’t.
He’s calling out the morons booing their own players before a game for taking an anti-racism stance.
The whole argument that these idiots are actually booing a particular “political” organisation doesn’t wash - that organisation isnt on the pitch, the players are. The argument gives these brainless idiots too much credit.
“Oh we’re not booing YOU, we’re booing what we think you are standing for even though you’ve told us countless times that you’re not doing it for that reason, but we know better.”
Do me a favour.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jun 11, 2021 10:52:24 GMT
If it outs the racists and those so-called “supporters” who would rather boo and jeer their own team before the match even kicks off that’s at least one good thing to come from it. But the problem is that taking the knee will encourage the knobhead element of every club to boo... it's the nature of morons, they just can't help themselves. What happens when it starts at the Deva? Because it is likely to. We do have a small minority of our fans who love to offend. Like chanting about dead fans during a minutes silence for over 200 dead miners. I would hate it to happen but i fear it will. We have only had fans into grounds for a few weeks and there are plenty of incidents of booing taking a knee. It is possible it will happen at every match..What an horrific thought! Just imagine the outcry in Govt and at the FA. Racism is imbedded in society and needs addressing at schools from the first day. Beating racism will only be done by educating people. Taking a knee IF it gives dickheads a platform to boo is counter productive and something better needs to be arranged Whilst I take your point regarding the knee giving the minorities the chance to boo, is it not the duty of everyone else to challenge them? Taking the knee, especially in the PL, is seen by all of the children around the UK. It is their heroes making a stand against racism. It makes them realise and understand that racism is wrong, often from within homes where ignorant opinions are spouted. This whole process is helping society be better. It highlights the racists, and it highlights to children that everybody is the same and bullying hurts regardless of skin colour. To claim the racist statement back, it shows kids that indeed all lives do matter. If that means a few daft racists are thrown out of football grounds then surely that is a positive outcome?
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Post by waggoner on Jun 11, 2021 12:06:52 GMT
But the problem is that taking the knee will encourage the knobhead element of every club to boo... it's the nature of morons, they just can't help themselves. What happens when it starts at the Deva? Because it is likely to. We do have a small minority of our fans who love to offend. Like chanting about dead fans during a minutes silence for over 200 dead miners. I would hate it to happen but i fear it will. We have only had fans into grounds for a few weeks and there are plenty of incidents of booing taking a knee. It is possible it will happen at every match..What an horrific thought! Just imagine the outcry in Govt and at the FA. Racism is imbedded in society and needs addressing at schools from the first day. Beating racism will only be done by educating people. Taking a knee IF it gives dickheads a platform to boo is counter productive and something better needs to be arranged I don’t think you can compare people being against Black Lives Matter as a political movement to disrespecting the dead? I don't remember stating anything about black lives matter OR political movements. My post was about people who boo when they don't like what they either see (kneeling for a stance against racism) or don't like silence by Shutting the F@@k up when people are trying to be dignified by having a minutes quite reflection for the dead. My point is that it is likely to be the same morons who would disrupt both. I did say ''we have a small minority of fans who love to offend'' And by the same token so does every other club
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Post by waggoner on Jun 11, 2021 12:17:19 GMT
But the problem is that taking the knee will encourage the knobhead element of every club to boo... it's the nature of morons, they just can't help themselves. What happens when it starts at the Deva? Because it is likely to. We do have a small minority of our fans who love to offend. Like chanting about dead fans during a minutes silence for over 200 dead miners. I would hate it to happen but i fear it will. We have only had fans into grounds for a few weeks and there are plenty of incidents of booing taking a knee. It is possible it will happen at every match..What an horrific thought! Just imagine the outcry in Govt and at the FA. Racism is imbedded in society and needs addressing at schools from the first day. Beating racism will only be done by educating people. Taking a knee IF it gives dickheads a platform to boo is counter productive and something better needs to be arranged Whilst I take your point regarding the knee giving the minorities the chance to boo, is it not the duty of everyone else to challenge them? Taking the knee, especially in the PL, is seen by all of the children around the UK. It is their heroes making a stand against racism. It makes them realise and understand that racism is wrong, often from within homes where ignorant opinions are spouted. This whole process is helping society be better. It highlights the racists, and it highlights to children that everybody is the same and bullying hurts regardless of skin colour. To claim the racist statement back, it shows kids that indeed all lives do matter. If that means a few daft racists are thrown out of football grounds then surely that is a positive outcome? Seriously? And get attacked? Some don't take to being challenged and are you safe challenging 20 or 30 people who have no respect? Who's going to throw them out of the ground without getting punched? I work with lots of people with challenging behaviour and attitude problems and you only have to say one word to them..(No) and they go batshit. People in stores who ask people to put a mask on for the good of others have been assaulted because they politely pointed out the need to wear a mask. THESE are the mentalities of the people booing so good luck asking them nicely not to boo #Just a Highlight. The England and Wales teams are taking a knee before their Matches at the Euros. SCOTLAND are not because they are standing against oppression, exclusion and racism. So if they Scotland team don't take a knee does that make them racist?
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jun 11, 2021 13:06:42 GMT
Whilst I take your point regarding the knee giving the minorities the chance to boo, is it not the duty of everyone else to challenge them? Taking the knee, especially in the PL, is seen by all of the children around the UK. It is their heroes making a stand against racism. It makes them realise and understand that racism is wrong, often from within homes where ignorant opinions are spouted. This whole process is helping society be better. It highlights the racists, and it highlights to children that everybody is the same and bullying hurts regardless of skin colour. To claim the racist statement back, it shows kids that indeed all lives do matter. If that means a few daft racists are thrown out of football grounds then surely that is a positive outcome? Seriously? And get attacked? Some don't take to being challenged and are you safe challenging 20 or 30 people who have no respect? Who's going to throw them out of the ground without getting punched? I work with lots of people with challenging behaviour and attitude problems and you only have to say one word to them..(No) and they go batshit. People in stores who ask people to put a mask on for the good of others have been assaulted because they politely pointed out the need to wear a mask. THESE are the mentalities of the people booing so good luck asking them nicely not to boo #Just a Highlight. The England and Wales teams are taking a knee before their Matches at the Euros. SCOTLAND are not because they are standing against oppression, exclusion and racism. So if they Scotland team don't take a knee does that make them racist? No. It means they are choosing not to highlight that racism still exists in our society. It is their right to do that unchallenged. Exactly as it is for England and Wales to take the knee unchallenged. Or should be.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 11, 2021 13:38:00 GMT
Scotland are now going to take the knee for the England game only.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 12, 2021 8:03:52 GMT
Scotland are now going to take the knee for the England game only. Lets hope they are down on both of them after 90 minutes too.
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Post by dannydeva on Jun 14, 2021 1:42:09 GMT
He isn’t. He’s calling out the morons booing their own players before a game for taking an anti-racism stance. The whole argument that these idiots are actually booing a particular “political” organisation doesn’t wash - that organisation isnt on the pitch, the players are. The argument gives these brainless idiots too much credit. “Oh we’re not booing YOU, we’re booing what we think you are standing for even though you’ve told us countless times that you’re not doing it for that reason, but we know better.” Do me a favour. It doesn’t matter! The media decided to change its meaning, but it was originally supporting a black supremacist movement… They need to do something different and the boo’s might change, if people still boo, they’re well within their right. I don’t agree with racism, but people are entitled to their own opinion which sadly is what’s being lost in this day and age… My point is, as you’ve just done branded them as racists, but it could be as simple as people wanting to keep politics out of football… everybody os over-thinking it and jumping on the bandwagon saying “educate yourselves”. When actually it’s all being turned into a race issue, when their probably isn’t one! You’re not educated, you’re an idiot….
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2021 5:29:50 GMT
Players have said hundreds of times why they are doing it - but you and other supporters know better, yeah?
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Post by waggoner on Jun 14, 2021 8:34:46 GMT
He isn’t. He’s calling out the morons booing their own players before a game for taking an anti-racism stance. The whole argument that these idiots are actually booing a particular “political” organisation doesn’t wash - that organisation isnt on the pitch, the players are. The argument gives these brainless idiots too much credit. “Oh we’re not booing YOU, we’re booing what we think you are standing for even though you’ve told us countless times that you’re not doing it for that reason, but we know better.” Do me a favour. It doesn’t matter! The media decided to change its meaning, but it was originally supporting a black supremacist movement… They need to do something different and the boo’s might change, if people still boo, they’re well within their right. I don’t agree with racism, but people are entitled to their own opinion which sadly is what’s being lost in this day and age… My point is, as you’ve just done branded them as racists, but it could be as simple as people wanting to keep politics out of football… everybody os over-thinking it and jumping on the bandwagon saying “educate yourselves”. When actually it’s all being turned into a race issue, when their probably isn’t one! You’re not educated, you’re an idiot…. So in you opinion EVERY person to a man is booing is doing it because they feel it is a political and non of them are doing because they are hoping to racially offend?. You really are giving the knuckle draggers a lot of credit by suggesting they are clever enough to know the difference between politics and racism. Some might be doing it (booing) because of political views however some are also booing it because they are racist and then some are doing it because they lack brain cells, social skills and any measure of common sense. I agree, people are entitled to a free opinion but booing when people are trying to highlight the need for change is not how you do it. The point is some things are better never said or never done (booing)
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 14, 2021 8:53:51 GMT
He isn’t. He’s calling out the morons booing their own players before a game for taking an anti-racism stance. The whole argument that these idiots are actually booing a particular “political” organisation doesn’t wash - that organisation isnt on the pitch, the players are. The argument gives these brainless idiots too much credit. “Oh we’re not booing YOU, we’re booing what we think you are standing for even though you’ve told us countless times that you’re not doing it for that reason, but we know better.” Do me a favour. It doesn’t matter! The media decided to change its meaning, but it was originally supporting a black supremacist movement… They need to do something different and the boo’s might change, if people still boo, they’re well within their right. I don’t agree with racism, but people are entitled to their own opinion which sadly is what’s being lost in this day and age… My point is, as you’ve just done branded them as racists, but it could be as simple as people wanting to keep politics out of football… everybody os over-thinking it and jumping on the bandwagon saying “educate yourselves”. When actually it’s all being turned into a race issue, when their probably isn’t one! You’re not educated, you’re an idiot…. Those people who are desperate to keep politics out of football are probably the same dullards who chant about bombing Germany and not surrendering to Irish republicanism.
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Post by superman on Jun 14, 2021 9:49:31 GMT
Some of the booing may have been directed at the Croatian team for not taking the knee. It has all sadly become a mess. Taking the knee is the right message but in my opinion now the wrong delivery method.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 14, 2021 10:33:48 GMT
Scotland are now going to take the knee for the England game only. Why ?!?! you're either taking the knee or you're not. If you can be bothered doing it for the England game then why not all the others? or if you're not taking the knee, then why do it for this one game? just seems a PR token gesture without any real meaning.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2021 10:55:06 GMT
Some of the booing may have been directed at the Croatian team for not taking the knee. It has all sadly become a mess. Taking the knee is the right message but in my opinion now the wrong delivery method. The Prime Minister of Hungary seems a bit of a tit, but he did have a reasonable point when he said that when Ireland took a knee over there last week, they brought an gesture popularised in English-speaking countries - and ones with histories of colonies, slavery and a lot of black blood on their hands - to a part of the world that has an entirely different past. Hungary hardly has a flawless history (or even present) when it comes to oppression, but it's not the same issue, and it could be seen as disrespectful to turn up in another nation and make a spectacle of an issue going on in your own. This is why I'm not so keen on the "educate yourself" mantra being repeated by players and pundits. Firstly, you don't change anyone's mind by implying they are stupid and uneducated, but also there is education to be had on both sides. Have we considered that we may be approaching the issue of racism from a First World bubble that is actually isolating us from other nations? Croatia, for example, has a very complex history of ethnicity and conflict that still lives on today, and they may feel they have as much right to air their societal issues as we do. One of many reasons why I'm starting to lean towards trying something different. That said, we should respect the knee for as long as it continues. It's a shame really that we now need to have this American-style whooping and applauding to drown out the boos. Really, the most mature response to the gesture is a period of dignified silence - a pause for reflection on the issue of racial abuse and what I can do that asks a little more of myself than simply being "not a racist".
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 14, 2021 11:24:33 GMT
Some of the booing may have been directed at the Croatian team for not taking the knee. It has all sadly become a mess. Taking the knee is the right message but in my opinion now the wrong delivery method. The Prime Minister of Hungary seems a bit of a tit, but he did have a reasonable point when he said that when Ireland took a knee over there last week, they brought an gesture popularised in English-speaking countries - and ones with histories of colonies, slavery and a lot of black blood on their hands - to a part of the world that has an entirely different past. Hungary hardly has a flawless history (or even present) when it comes to oppression, but it's not the same issue, and it could be seen as disrespectful to turn up in another nation and make a spectacle of an issue going on in your own. This is why I'm not so keen on the "educate yourself" mantra being repeated by players and pundits. Firstly, you don't change anyone's mind by implying they are stupid and uneducated, but also there is education to be had on both sides. Have we considered that we may be approaching the issue of racism from a First World bubble that is actually isolating us from other nations? Croatia, for example, has a very complex history of ethnicity and conflict that still lives on today, and they may feel they have as much right to air their societal issues as we do. One of many reasons why I'm starting to lean towards trying something different. That said, we should respect the knee for as long as it continues. It's a shame really that we now need to have this American-style whooping and applauding to drown out the boos. Really, the most mature response to the gesture is a period of dignified silence - a pause for reflection on the issue of racial abuse and what I can do that asks a little more of myself than simply being "not a racist". When Millwall had problems with their fans booing them taking the Knee, the players decided to parade an anti-racism banner before kick off instead. The gesture was met with unanimous applause and no booing, and I think something like this is the road to go down if teams/countries are determined to carry on getting the message across.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2021 11:42:33 GMT
The Prime Minister of Hungary seems a bit of a tit, but he did have a reasonable point when he said that when Ireland took a knee over there last week, they brought an gesture popularised in English-speaking countries - and ones with histories of colonies, slavery and a lot of black blood on their hands - to a part of the world that has an entirely different past. Hungary hardly has a flawless history (or even present) when it comes to oppression, but it's not the same issue, and it could be seen as disrespectful to turn up in another nation and make a spectacle of an issue going on in your own. This is why I'm not so keen on the "educate yourself" mantra being repeated by players and pundits. Firstly, you don't change anyone's mind by implying they are stupid and uneducated, but also there is education to be had on both sides. Have we considered that we may be approaching the issue of racism from a First World bubble that is actually isolating us from other nations? Croatia, for example, has a very complex history of ethnicity and conflict that still lives on today, and they may feel they have as much right to air their societal issues as we do. One of many reasons why I'm starting to lean towards trying something different. That said, we should respect the knee for as long as it continues. It's a shame really that we now need to have this American-style whooping and applauding to drown out the boos. Really, the most mature response to the gesture is a period of dignified silence - a pause for reflection on the issue of racial abuse and what I can do that asks a little more of myself than simply being "not a racist". When Millwall had problems with their fans booing them taking the Knee, the players decided to parade an anti-racism banner before kick off instead. The gesture was met with unanimous applause and no booing, and I think something like this is the road to go down if teams/countries are determined to carry on getting the message across. While that's true, I don't think Millwall came out of that whole episode very well, and I would suggest an anti-racism message met with unanimous approval is probably not a very effective one. To some degree, an effective anti-racism message has to be divisive. Nobody likes to think they are a racist, you always hear people say "I'm not racist, but..." and then go on to say something racist. The BLM movement forces people to consider whether they do harbour racial prejudice and whether they are more part of the problem than the solution. That's why it's unpopular with a lot of people who don't want to confront themselves in this way. I realise I've contradicted myself about 10 times on this thread, but that's just because I find it a very complex issue and not a binary one.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2021 11:58:21 GMT
When Millwall had problems with their fans booing them taking the Knee, the players decided to parade an anti-racism banner before kick off instead. The gesture was met with unanimous applause and no booing, and I think something like this is the road to go down if teams/countries are determined to carry on getting the message across. While that's true, I don't think Millwall came out of that whole episode very well, and I would suggest an anti-racism message met with unanimous approval is probably not a very effective one. To some degree, an effective anti-racism message has to be divisive. Nobody likes to think they are a racist, you always hear people say "I'm not racist, but..." and then go on to say something racist. The BLM movement forces people to consider whether they do harbour racial prejudice and whether they are more part of the problem than the solution. That's why it's unpopular with a lot of people who don't want to confront themselves in this way. I realise I've contradicted myself about 10 times on this thread, but that's just because I find it a very complex issue and not a binary one. That’s very true - the current stance is getting people to think about themselves and they’re clearly uncomfortable with what they think about themselves.
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Post by dannydeva on Jun 14, 2021 15:04:42 GMT
Players have said hundreds of times why they are doing it - but you and other supporters know better, yeah? Do you not understand that it started as a BLM thing… they need to change it… you can’t brand people racist because they boo it… it’s ridiculous…maybe some are racist, but I guarantee the majority aren’t! We aren’t America, our racism is literally something that I believe is looked down upon and shouldn’t be taken seriously because as others have said people like that are “knuckle draggers”…. And people like that shouldn’t be taken seriously… it’s time to rise above it all… it’s been taken whey out of proportion! It’s 2021 and people are letting idiots get to them, unfortunately, that’s life… we are all judged at true end of the day, but we rise above it…
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 14, 2021 15:11:35 GMT
Players have said hundreds of times why they are doing it - but you and other supporters know better, yeah? Do you not understand that it started as a BLM thing… they need to change it… you can’t brand people racist because they boo it… it’s ridiculous…maybe some are racist, but I guarantee the majority aren’t! We aren’t America, our racism is literally something that I believe is looked down upon and shouldn’t be taken seriously because as others have said people like that are “knuckle draggers”…. And people like that shouldn’t be taken seriously… it’s time to rise above it all… it’s been taken whey out of proportion! It’s 2021 and people are letting idiots get to them, unfortunately, that’s life… we are all judged at true end of the day, but we rise above it… It started with Colin Kapearnick. Nothing to do with BLM. It’s 2021 and people are still booing others for making a point against racism. Also, you’re presumably a white person saying that “our racism” isn’t as bad as America’s. To be fair, neither you nor I are qualified to say so.
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Post by dannydeva on Jun 14, 2021 15:58:52 GMT
Do you not understand that it started as a BLM thing… they need to change it… you can’t brand people racist because they boo it… it’s ridiculous…maybe some are racist, but I guarantee the majority aren’t! We aren’t America, our racism is literally something that I believe is looked down upon and shouldn’t be taken seriously because as others have said people like that are “knuckle draggers”…. And people like that shouldn’t be taken seriously… it’s time to rise above it all… it’s been taken whey out of proportion! It’s 2021 and people are letting idiots get to them, unfortunately, that’s life… we are all judged at true end of the day, but we rise above it… It started with Colin Kapearnick. Nothing to do with BLM. It’s 2021 and people are still booing others for making a point against racism. Also, you’re presumably a white person saying that “our racism” isn’t as bad as America’s. To be fair, neither you nor I are qualified to say so. What has qualifications got to do with it? There white suprematists in America… I can’t recall, Britain having white suprematists… the racism that exists over here is so small, it should be able to be ignored…. Like I’ve said above ^ the majority of people in this country could t give a fuck! Me included it just irritates me that people like you jump on the bad wagon and give it the “educated” bollocks, when it’s really causing more problems! And that is a fact….
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 14, 2021 16:04:25 GMT
It started with Colin Kapearnick. Nothing to do with BLM. It’s 2021 and people are still booing others for making a point against racism. Also, you’re presumably a white person saying that “our racism” isn’t as bad as America’s. To be fair, neither you nor I are qualified to say so. What has qualifications got to do with it? There white suprematists in America… I can’t recall, Britain having white suprematists… the racism that exists over here is so small, it should be able to be ignored…. Like I’ve said above ^ the majority of people in this country could t give a fuck! Me included it just irritates me that people like you jump on the bad wagon and give it the “educated” bollocks, when it’s really causing more problems! And that is a fact…. Jesus
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Post by Lobster on Jun 14, 2021 16:22:03 GMT
Players have said hundreds of times why they are doing it - but you and other supporters know better, yeah? Do you not understand that it started as a BLM thing… they need to change it… you can’t brand people racist because they boo it Yes you can. You can question the gesture, or outright object to it. But if you can't shut up for literally a couple of seconds during an anti-racism gesture, even when the meaning of it is explained to you, then you're putting your own interpretation onto the gesture based on your own racial prejudice. If you do that, you have no right to demand not to be called a racist.
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Post by Bob on Jun 14, 2021 22:32:13 GMT
The BLM knee was designed to polarise the public and judging by this thread, it defnitely worked a treat.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jun 14, 2021 22:54:27 GMT
It started with Colin Kapearnick. Nothing to do with BLM. It’s 2021 and people are still booing others for making a point against racism. Also, you’re presumably a white person saying that “our racism” isn’t as bad as America’s. To be fair, neither you nor I are qualified to say so. What has qualifications got to do with it? There white suprematists in America… I can’t recall, Britain having white suprematists… the racism that exists over here is so small, it should be able to be ignored…. Like I’ve said above ^ the majority of people in this country could t give a fuck! Me included it just irritates me that people like you jump on the bad wagon and give it the “educated” bollocks, when it’s really causing more problems! And that is a fact…. Dear me. Have you never heard of Paul Golding, Jayda Fransen or Nick Griffin? The British National Party was getting hundreds of thousands of votes in elections just over a decade ago. It isn't a 'fact' that it is causing more problems at all. And if exposing racists is a problem then its one I am very glad we've now got.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 15, 2021 4:53:59 GMT
The BLM knee was designed to polarise the public and judging by this thread, it defnitely worked a treat. By ‘polarise the public’, do you mean ‘annoy racists’?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 15, 2021 5:34:12 GMT
They boo him for taking a knee and cheer him for scoring a goal - what Sterling should’ve done is took a knee in celebration of his goal, their gammon brains would’ve melted.
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Post by brianfelshaw on Jun 15, 2021 7:02:09 GMT
What goes through peoples minds that they can’t sit their quietly for a few seconds? I find it shocking that in 2021 that we still have people who want to show their displeasure at footballers making a gesture that is against racial equality, is it really that hard to understand? Booing taking the knee, a demand for immigrants to ‘go home’, an overwhelming support of a man who can’t put a sentence together.
We’ve become the laughing stock of the world.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 15, 2021 8:51:23 GMT
When Millwall had problems with their fans booing them taking the Knee, the players decided to parade an anti-racism banner before kick off instead. The gesture was met with unanimous applause and no booing, and I think something like this is the road to go down if teams/countries are determined to carry on getting the message across. While that's true, I don't think Millwall came out of that whole episode very well, and I would suggest an anti-racism message met with unanimous approval is probably not a very effective one.
To some degree, an effective anti-racism message has to be divisive. Nobody likes to think they are a racist, you always hear people say "I'm not racist, but..." and then go on to say something racist. The BLM movement forces people to consider whether they do harbour racial prejudice and whether they are more part of the problem than the solution. That's why it's unpopular with a lot of people who don't want to confront themselves in this way. I realise I've contradicted myself about 10 times on this thread, but that's just because I find it a very complex issue and not a binary one. I wasn't suggesting that it would be met with unanimous approval, nor do I feel it was at Millwall. The point being that the majority you speak to that defend the booing are doing so because they say the booing is against the BLM movement, not the actual stand against racism. By displaying an anti-racism banner rather than taking the knee it removes any reason at all to boo the gesture. Those that were booing the BLM tag would applaud if that was there only issue, and the out and out racists would simply sit in silence as I feel they dare not boo the banner as they would have no reasoning or nothing to hide behind when challenged.
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