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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 15, 2021 8:54:58 GMT
They boo him for taking a knee and cheer him for scoring a goal - what Sterling should’ve done is took a knee in celebration of his goal, their gammon brains would’ve melted. I'm interested to know would you have made that same statement if a non black player had scored on Sunday?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 15, 2021 9:53:03 GMT
What has qualifications got to do with it? There white suprematists in America… I can’t recall, Britain having white suprematists… the racism that exists over here is so small, it should be able to be ignored…. Like I’ve said above ^ the majority of people in this country could t give a fuck! Me included it just irritates me that people like you jump on the bad wagon and give it the “educated” bollocks, when it’s really causing more problems! And that is a fact…. Dear me. Have you never heard of Paul Golding, Jayda Fransen or Nick Griffin? The British National Party was getting hundreds of thousands of votes in elections just over a decade ago. It isn't a 'fact' that it is causing more problems at all. And if exposing racists is a problem then its one I am very glad we've now got. The characters you mention are just the extreme, overt racists as well. There are, in my opinion, many subtler signs that racism, or at least xenophobia, is on the rise in Britain. In many ways, I think the main point of BLM is to highlight the less obvious forms of racial prejudice that most people display from time to time. I'll give an example - I had a new oven installed a couple of weeks ago and I was quite surprised that the man who turned up to do it was black. Ridiculous really, there's of course no reason why a black man can't fit an oven, but I just expected some white Scouser called Alan or Tony or something. So if I can have a pre-conceived image of what an oven installer should look like, what if I am the one giving them the job? You can see how certain groups can become disadvantaged. That's just me and I, like 99.9% of people, think I'm "not racist". In this country, we have more or less managed to get rid of things like monkey noises and throwing bananas at football grounds, which is a start, but is that because the perpetrators feel ashamed and educated out of this behaviour, or is it just because they realise it has legal and social consequences? The fact that racial abuse is so prevalent on social media (Ian Wright for one says he receives racial abuse every day on there) suggests that under the cloak of anonymity, racist attitudes and the desire to insult people based on their skin colour haven't gone away. All that's happened is they've gone from the pack mentality of the terraces, to the loner in his bedroom, but the motive behind it still frustration and cowardice. We need to get to a point where people realise that not using racial slurs and having the odd black friend doesn't mean you are doing enough. As a white person, it's a difficult conversation to have with yourself, which is why so many people don't like it. They would just denounce people like Paul Golding and Nick Griffin, when those characters are really just the "id" of the racist and the fringe of a much wider problem.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 15, 2021 10:36:21 GMT
Exactly right Lobster. As you have said, it is a difficult conversation to have with yourself and I think this is why the reaction is manifesting itself in the outpouring of boos and jeers from those individuals - they simply don't want to have that difficult conversation with themselves out of fear of what it will reveal about themselves. They're being made to feel uncomfortable in that way, and they don't like it.
The alternative, of course, is that they're simply out and out racists and happy to let it be known.
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Post by jimianto on Jun 15, 2021 17:16:34 GMT
They boo him for taking a knee and cheer him for scoring a goal - what Sterling should’ve done is took a knee in celebration of his goal, their gammon brains would’ve melted. For someone who is so keen to promote anti-racism, do you really think using the term 'gammon', a derogatory term relating to skin colour, is helpful on this thread?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 15, 2021 17:18:06 GMT
They boo him for taking a knee and cheer him for scoring a goal - what Sterling should’ve done is took a knee in celebration of his goal, their gammon brains would’ve melted. For someone who is so keen to promote anti-racism, do you really think using the term 'gammon', a derogatory term relating to skin colour, is helpful on this thread? 😂😂😂
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Post by waggoner on Jun 15, 2021 21:09:54 GMT
They boo him for taking a knee and cheer him for scoring a goal - what Sterling should’ve done is took a knee in celebration of his goal, their gammon brains would’ve melted. For someone who is so keen to promote anti-racism, do you really think using the term 'gammon', a derogatory term relating to skin colour, is helpful on this thread? Maybe he's just suggesting that people like these are 'pig headed'?
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Post by dannydeva on Jun 19, 2021 10:04:46 GMT
What has qualifications got to do with it? There white suprematists in America… I can’t recall, Britain having white suprematists… the racism that exists over here is so small, it should be able to be ignored…. Like I’ve said above ^ the majority of people in this country could t give a fuck! Me included it just irritates me that people like you jump on the bad wagon and give it the “educated” bollocks, when it’s really causing more problems! And that is a fact…. Dear me. Have you never heard of Paul Golding, Jayda Fransen or Nick Griffin? The British National Party was getting hundreds of thousands of votes in elections just over a decade ago. It isn't a 'fact' that it is causing more problems at all. And if exposing racists is a problem then its one I am very glad we've now got. It’s got nothing to do with the BNP though has it? I get the point your making, but Branding everyone that boo’s the knee is ridiculous… it’s just generalising people regardless of their individual views My point is the racism that exists in the UK in this day and age is playground stuff and everyone can sit there any jump on the bandwagon and be like “racist” “uneducated” whatever, but we should all be able to look down on racist people and see it for what it is. We all have judgement on our lives to deal with, why is race any different? If it was like the 60’s I’d be on board… but the majority of this country aren’t racist and the ones that are we should feel sorry for… that’s really where we’re at, simple as that…
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jun 19, 2021 14:42:57 GMT
This thread is another example of mixing politics with sport and cteating divisions amongst fellow supporters when I criticised Frank(ex Mancot Blue) leftish comments but I got reprimanded by Mancot's mate Lobster of the same leanings but allegedly an independent moderator(my arse).
Enjoy the thread lads as so tiresome !
Come on you Blues !
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 19, 2021 14:54:17 GMT
But it’s the booers that are (wrongly) accusing football players of “mixing politics with sport” and that’s what we are discussing here.
It’s easy to tell which Deva Chatters would boo in those circumstances based on this thread.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2021 15:16:38 GMT
This thread is another example of mixing politics with sport and cteating divisions amongst fellow supporters when I criticised Frank(ex Mancot Blue) leftish comments but I got reprimanded by Mancot's mate Lobster of the same leanings but allegedly an independent moderator(my arse). Enjoy the thread lads as so tiresome ! Come on you Blues ! What do you mean by "an independent moderator"? I'm not unbiased, and don't claim to be. But I won't ban or sanction anyone simply for having a different opinion to me. What's harder to put up with is general moaning about other members, and calling people out, because then it becomes personal. If you're going to click a thread called "taking the knee", you must expect it to be intrinsically political, as that's why the gesture has become such a talking point.
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Post by everhopeful on Jun 21, 2021 5:39:29 GMT
This thread is another example of mixing politics with sport and cteating divisions amongst fellow supporters when I criticised Frank(ex Mancot Blue) leftish comments but I got reprimanded by Mancot's mate Lobster of the same leanings but allegedly an independent moderator(my arse). Enjoy the thread lads as so tiresome ! Come on you Blues ! No room on this board for personal attacks, thank you. And if the thread is so tiresome, read something else!
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 21, 2021 14:14:21 GMT
a rumour going round that Scotland took the knee because they’d heard an England player had dropped a tenner!
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