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Post by Lobster on Jun 24, 2021 10:37:42 GMT
Football related, but I thought it was best kept on here.
For last night's game, UEFA refused to allow the stadium in Munich to be lit up in rainbow colours, arguing it was a political gesture from the mayor of Munich aimed at Hungary's anti-gay laws. It was, to be fair, but are UEFA right here?
Myself, I think UEFA can use words like "inclusive" all they like, but unless you actively support matters like gay rights - including gay marriage and adoption - these words are meaningless. It's not even politics in my opinion, we should have grown out of homophobia by now.
I don't buy it when people say they oppose gay marriage but aren't homophobic. It seems like condoning slavery but saying you're not racist, or saying women shouldn't be allowed to vote but you're not sexist. Denying people the same rights as others is discrimination.
Interesting that Goretzka made a heart gesture at the Hungary fans after he scored. Will he be in trouble for that? If UEFA are consistent in their stance, he probably should be.
But it says a lot about UEFA that they're more interested in keeping their sponsors happy by warning players not to move Coca-Cola bottles during interviews, and are not willing to pay anything more than lip service to tackling discrimination.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 24, 2021 11:35:25 GMT
Gay rights are human rights.
UEFA talk the talk about inclusivity across gender, sexual orientation and race, but prove time and again that they cannot walk the walk.
Was great to see Goretzka sticking it to the fascists with his celebration, and of course good to see the pitch invader during the national anthems with the rainbow flag.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 24, 2021 12:11:53 GMT
None of us are equal until we are all equal.
Be that by Gender, Sexual orientation, nationality, ethnicity, religion or race, we are all entitled these rights to be treated equally and fairly under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
UEFA should not be getting into conversations regarding the lighting up of Stadiums or the wearing of coloured captains armbands, they should be getting into discussions with certain countries FAs discussing their removal of rights to play in their tournaments until their Nations Governments apply UN rights to all of their citizens.
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Post by Si on Jun 25, 2021 18:09:34 GMT
Probably not a popular opinion on here but I much preferred the days where footballers kept out of it all. The lines between football and politics have become very blurred, and I miss the days where footballers pretty much just got on with playing rather than having to make a stand for various different things. Fully aware some will accuse me of burying my head in the sand to the injustices in the world, and I can sometimes see the benefit of someone using their profile for the greater good (Rashford school meals campaign). There's so many injustices in all parts of the world, so where do you draw the line, are we going to see footballers making a stand against genital mutilation and abortion etc? It's a sensitive thing to be challenging culture in different countries, and I feel that should really come from governments rather than sports stars. Will be interesting to see if footballers take the decision not to play in Qatar over their human rights record.....
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jun 25, 2021 19:04:18 GMT
Disagree. Footballers are role models to millions of children, it’s right that they demonstrate their support for the human rights of all.
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Post by Si on Jun 25, 2021 19:27:16 GMT
Disagree. Footballers are role models to millions of children, it’s right that they demonstrate their support for the human rights of all. Fair enough, I understand that. It just ain't for me! |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2021 19:54:47 GMT
Probably not a popular opinion on here but I much preferred the days where footballers kept out of it all. The lines between football and politics have become very blurred, and I miss the days where footballers pretty much just got on with playing rather than having to make a stand for various different things. Fully aware some will accuse me of burying my head in the sand to the injustices in the world, and I can sometimes see the benefit of someone using their profile for the greater good (Rashford school meals campaign). There's so many injustices in all parts of the world, so where do you draw the line, are we going to see footballers making a stand against genital mutilation and abortion etc? It's a sensitive thing to be challenging culture in different countries, and I feel that should really come from governments rather than sports stars. Will be interesting to see if footballers take the decision not to play in Qatar over their human rights record..... I think sport and politics have always been linked though, and there have always been outspoken footballers. I'm reading a book about Dutch football at the moment and it seems like Cruyff never shut up! He was highly principled, and highly intelligent. The likes of George Weah and Romario went into politics, and Fowler ruffled a few feathers. Don't think it's a bad thing myself. Politicians affect sport, they're happy to latch onto successes and point the finger at players if they think it gains them some credibility. Good on players if they do the same in return. |
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Post by Bob on Jun 25, 2021 21:48:46 GMT
Fair play to Hungary for not giving in to globalist laws.
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Post by Bob on Jun 25, 2021 21:50:47 GMT
Probably not a popular opinion on here but I much preferred the days where footballers kept out of it all. The lines between football and politics have become very blurred, and I miss the days where footballers pretty much just got on with playing rather than having to make a stand for various different things. Fully aware some will accuse me of burying my head in the sand to the injustices in the world, and I can sometimes see the benefit of someone using their profile for the greater good (Rashford school meals campaign). There's so many injustices in all parts of the world, so where do you draw the line, are we going to see footballers making a stand against genital mutilation and abortion etc? It's a sensitive thing to be challenging culture in different countries, and I feel that should really come from governments rather than sports stars. Will be interesting to see if footballers take the decision not to play in Qatar over their human rights record..... Actually quite an intelligent response, impressed. Plus if your role models are footballers then you have your role models wrong. |
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Post by Lobster on Jul 13, 2021 10:23:10 GMT
Continuing this thread rather than starting a new one or adding it to the Euro 2020 thread.
I'm pleased to see Tyrone Mings call out Priti Patel's hypocrisy in condemning the racist abuse of players following England's defeat, when she called taking the knee "gesture politics" and said whether fans boo it is "a choice for them". She is appalling I think, she's always dropping these awful tabloid-style cliches that undermine minority groups. I'm sure the Tories use her as a mouthpiece and think it can't be racist because she's Asian herself.
It's easy to say sportspeople should keep out of politics, but politicians don't keep out of sport. When it's an issue as important as racism, they have a responsibility not to stoke the fire, because doing so legitimises it and has an effect on black footballers' jobs and lives.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 13, 2021 11:28:58 GMT
This England team makes me proud to be English and actually represents the whole nation far better than the government ever can.
Patel is a vile piece of shit, glad Mings called her out.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jul 13, 2021 11:46:45 GMT
I also get the feeling from yesterdays headlines and news stories that Marcus Rashford is sort of trying to shoulder responsibility, or at least take the flak over his penalty miss in an attempt to shield the other two younger players from attention, it may not be intentional, i might even be completely wrong, its just the feeling i get.
Whether i am right or wrong, Schools should be using this young man in curriculums as an example of what modern day bravery and heroism is all about, it would give todays kids a class example of how to conduct themselves in the face of adversity and negativity.He is a class act.
Dont know about you, but i never once grew up thinking i want to be just like Admiral Nelson.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 14, 2021 7:30:51 GMT
England players have refused the invitation of a Downing Street reception.
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