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Post by massivefloodlights on Aug 25, 2021 18:02:26 GMT
How far can these two take you? Last night was a shambles considering it was the first game of a new season. Are they the motivators many claim them to be?
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Post by cityboy5705 on Aug 25, 2021 18:15:55 GMT
How far can these two take you? Last night was a shambles considering it was the first game of a new season. Are they the motivators many claim them to be? the problem is there is nothing out there this clamour for Morrison good manager but never done it at this level and not going to leave the quay so we are stuck with them
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Post by massivefloodlights on Aug 25, 2021 18:18:54 GMT
How far can these two take you? Last night was a shambles considering it was the first game of a new season. Are they the motivators many claim them to be? the problem is there is nothing out there this clamour for Morrison good manager but never done it at this level and not going to leave the quay so we are stuck with them Morrison would be a good shout. National north would be a logical step up for him. id imagine he’d spend the budget wisely too.
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Post by boughtonblue on Aug 25, 2021 18:19:15 GMT
Ha ha one bad result after steady progress for the last two seasons mmmm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 18:36:40 GMT
How far can these two take you? Last night was a shambles considering it was the first game of a new season. Are they the motivators many claim them to be? We really going there already? Jesus. Give them 10 games or so and we’ll see where we are. York 0 points from 2 as well. Who would we get in? Morrison would probably want an NL job and he gets a cushty number there with no fan base and a little Europa qualifier every year.
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Post by bluejay on Aug 25, 2021 18:42:32 GMT
How far can these two take you? Last night was a shambles considering it was the first game of a new season. Are they the motivators many claim them to be? What we need to do is become so frustrated at the lack of progress that we give our club away.
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 25, 2021 19:47:16 GMT
Nope, not so far. I don't think we've improved considerably since they took over. If they're going to stick blind faith in retaining certain players it needs to pay off.
Obviously one defeat doesn't mean they should go, but this is a make or break season.
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Post by jimmy on Aug 26, 2021 12:15:57 GMT
We must play better against Gateshead and Kidderminster. The defence on Tuesday was appalling - two geriatric centre-halves, a right back who looked as if he hadn't played before, a left back who is more at home on the right. Grand was shocking - he kept giving the ball away. I've no idea who the right back was but I don't expect he'll be at the club long judging by that display.
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 26, 2021 12:23:55 GMT
We must play better against Gateshead and Kidderminster. The defence on Tuesday was appalling - two geriatric centre-halves, a right back who looked as if he hadn't played before, a left back who is more at home on the right. Grand was shocking - he kept giving the ball away. I've no idea who the right back was but I don't expect he'll be at the club long judging by that display. Cowan was at right back. He's a centre back naturally. The managers' argument for playing him at right back is that he has played there for Stockport - I imagine the style of play while he was playing at RB for them was more of a 4 centre halves back 4 and not the style of play the current managers seem to advocate. Just because he has played there, doesn't mean he should play there. Especially with a right back at left back and a left back on the bench who even when he came on played left midfield.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 26, 2021 12:33:35 GMT
We must play better against Gateshead and Kidderminster. The defence on Tuesday was appalling - two geriatric centre-halves, a right back who looked as if he hadn't played before, a left back who is more at home on the right. Grand was shocking - he kept giving the ball away. I've no idea who the right back was but I don't expect he'll be at the club long judging by that display. The right back Tuesday night is actually a centre half shoe-horned in at full back. We also shoe-horned a right back in at left back, and had a left back come off the bench and play left wing. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 12:51:39 GMT
We must play better against Gateshead and Kidderminster. The defence on Tuesday was appalling - two geriatric centre-halves, a right back who looked as if he hadn't played before, a left back who is more at home on the right. Grand was shocking - he kept giving the ball away. I've no idea who the right back was but I don't expect he'll be at the club long judging by that display. The right back Tuesday night is actually a centre half shoe-horned in at full back. We also shoe-horned a right back in at left back, and had a left back come off the bench and play left wing. 🤷🏻♂️ I know we're all really enjoying this "The Managers who have won this division" don't know how to pick a team chat and we all like to pretend we know more them. But let's not pretend both players are being played ridiculously out of position. Both have spent significant amounts of time playing in those positions before Saturday including very good defences showing in preseason. I'd wager Morgan has played more games at left back than right back for us. We don't know the fitness levels of the players after injury/covid/pre season. I guarantee we swap Morgan to right back and bring askew in for a full 90 in and had similar results to Tuesday every tactical genius would be on here with "Why change the team round for that game when they played in other positions pre season, these managers are clueless" 4 games in 9 days after the extended lay off will have an impact on any squad. Let's wait and see how we're getting on once things settle down before deciding that we all know more than the managers.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 26, 2021 12:56:08 GMT
Just to clarify my comments, to answer the original subject of the thread - yea, they are still the answer. We wouldn’t have anywhere near the calibre of players we have in the squad (and have had previously - Taylor etc) if they weren’t our managers. They’re the best fit for where we are as a club and never complain about the budget, they find gems in a tight budget and get on with it. We ain’t going to get better than them.
Christ knows where we’d be now if Neil Redfearn took the job, he probably would’ve left within six months.
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Post by vandycandy on Aug 26, 2021 13:35:01 GMT
Just to clarify my comments, to answer the original subject of the thread - yea, they are still the answer. We wouldn’t have anywhere near the calibre of players we have in the squad (and have had previously - Taylor etc) if they weren’t our managers. They’re the best fit for where we are as a club and never complain about the budget, they find gems in a tight budget and get on with it. We ain’t going to get better than them. Christ knows where we’d be now if Neil Redfearn took the job, he probably would’ve left within six months. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he turn it down when he got wind of the playing budget?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2021 13:43:37 GMT
Just to clarify my comments, to answer the original subject of the thread - yea, they are still the answer. We wouldn’t have anywhere near the calibre of players we have in the squad (and have had previously - Taylor etc) if they weren’t our managers. They’re the best fit for where we are as a club and never complain about the budget, they find gems in a tight budget and get on with it. We ain’t going to get better than them. Christ knows where we’d be now if Neil Redfearn took the job, he probably would’ve left within six months. Christ Frank I’m agreeing on all your points recently. They’re the best men for the job no doubt and if I see another clown suggest Morrison from Connahs Quay I’ll be jumping in the Dee. Let’s see where we are 10 games in, then go from there. Their blind faith in Grand & Livesey could be their downfall for though.....
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Post by Lobster on Aug 26, 2021 13:55:07 GMT
Just to clarify my comments, to answer the original subject of the thread - yea, they are still the answer. We wouldn’t have anywhere near the calibre of players we have in the squad (and have had previously - Taylor etc) if they weren’t our managers. They’re the best fit for where we are as a club and never complain about the budget, they find gems in a tight budget and get on with it. We ain’t going to get better than them. Christ knows where we’d be now if Neil Redfearn took the job, he probably would’ve left within six months. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he turn it down when he got wind of the playing budget? Not sure of the specifics but it did seem like it was more or less a done deal before he tried to negotiate on either the playing budget/resources or his own contract. Either way the club were right not to cave in and his record for stepping down from jobs since then does give the impression that we dodged a bullet.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 26, 2021 13:59:01 GMT
They are also giving the young lads a chance by offering them contracts .
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Post by everhopeful on Aug 26, 2021 14:31:37 GMT
Just to clarify my comments, to answer the original subject of the thread - yea, they are still the answer. We wouldn’t have anywhere near the calibre of players we have in the squad (and have had previously - Taylor etc) if they weren’t our managers. They’re the best fit for where we are as a club and never complain about the budget, they find gems in a tight budget and get on with it. We ain’t going to get better than them. Christ knows where we’d be now if Neil Redfearn took the job, he probably would’ve left within six months. Christ Frank I’m agreeing on all your points recently. They’re the best men for the job no doubt and if I see another clown suggest Morrison from Connahs Quay I’ll be jumping in the Dee. Let’s see where we are 10 games in, then go from there. Their blind faith in Grand & Livesey could be their downfall for though..... I agree with you except for the last line, which I'd change to JJ and Gray...
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Post by inthestand on Aug 26, 2021 15:21:06 GMT
This is crazy...ive never been a big fan of the two, but we at least we need to give them 10 games and a very much improved performance to assess the situation...we do need to bring players in as i don't think what we have at the moment is that inspiring.. we need a bit more quality and some enthusiasm also the old legs like Grand need to be put out to pasture, a good solid player for us in the past but now he's looking a "season too far"..and become a liability...
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Post by Harry Lime on Aug 26, 2021 16:31:03 GMT
Christ Frank I’m agreeing on all your points recently. They’re the best men for the job no doubt and if I see another clown suggest Morrison from Connahs Quay I’ll be jumping in the Dee. Let’s see where we are 10 games in, then go from there. Their blind faith in Grand & Livesey could be their downfall for though..... I agree with you except for the last line, which I'd change to JJ and Gray... I do think they are too loyal to their players. It's an admirable trait, but doesn't help sort the problem. I agree with you regarding Gray. I think he'll cost us big time. The centre halves get little protection. The midfield / wide players isn't balanced and doesn't blot out balls played through them. The keeper doesn't come off his line for anything. Leaves them exposed. Grand had a stinker on Tuesday. But there wasn't anything to hit. Waring was surrounded and isolated. Hardy kept coming short for the ball then kept losing it. Leaving their players running at our defence. Our problems from the last two seasons haven't really been addressed. We've just got more ball players in. There seems to be a misconception we want to watch nice neat passing round midfield, rather than a fast game putting the opposition under pressure and running at them at pace, and getting the ball in the box. What was really worrying was that Curzon looked better set up, knew what they wanted to do and did it well. We didn't and couldn't stop them doing it.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 26, 2021 17:07:13 GMT
Don’t understand the criticism of Gray one bit. Our best keeper since Liam Roberts for me. Happy to have been proved wrong from when he first joined.
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Post by delamereal on Aug 26, 2021 17:50:49 GMT
Don’t understand the criticism of Gray one bit. Our best keeper since Liam Roberts for me. Happy to have been proved wrong from when he first joined. In my opinion he rarely if ever comes off his line and I would say that he could have come out for the lobbed free kick that created their 2nd goal. It was only on the edge of the 6 yard box!!!
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Post by massivefloodlights on Aug 26, 2021 19:31:03 GMT
Are they tactically astute or simply winging it?
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Post by noddy on Aug 26, 2021 20:09:43 GMT
Don’t understand the criticism of Gray one bit. Our best keeper since Liam Roberts for me. Happy to have been proved wrong from when he first joined. In my opinion he rarely if ever comes off his line and I would say that he could have come out for the lobbed free kick that created their 2nd goal. It was only on the edge of the 6 yard box!!! Said then same thing when Livesey won the header and the ball was in the air for ages on the six yard line. Should have came and collected.
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Post by noddy on Aug 26, 2021 20:11:56 GMT
Are they tactically astute or simply winging it? At Conference North level, probably very few are "tactically astute" as you put it.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 26, 2021 20:37:23 GMT
Everything we do goes through Glendon and weeks the keeper either rolls the ball out to one of them or he gives the ball to the centre backs and they play the ball to one or the other, teams have now cottoned on to this and they are pressing us high up the middle to stop us playing out from the back. This then leads to us kicking long to George who is totally isolated up front so even if he wins the ball it then goes back to them, we only played on the left in the first half Tuesday we had no width on the right which makes it much harder to find space. We need to be be a bit less predictable in the way we play and perhaps throw the ball to the fullbacks or wingbacks instead.
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Post by thestanchion on Aug 26, 2021 21:21:19 GMT
Everything we do goes through Glendon and weeks the keeper either rolls the ball out to one of them or he gives the ball to the centre backs and they play the ball to one or the other, teams have now cottoned on to this and they are pressing us high up the middle to stop us playing out from the back. This then leads to us kicking long to George who is totally isolated up front so even if he wins the ball it then goes back to them, we only played on the left in the first half Tuesday we had no width on the right which makes it much harder to find space. We need to be be a bit less predictable in the way we play and perhaps throw the ball to the fullbacks or wingbacks instead. You have nailed it. When we had a goal kick or Gray had hold of it, they had 6 or 7 players in our half pressing, then Grand sent it long to nowhere. What I don't understand is why the team that started at Farsley, that was found wanting all over the pitch was selected against Curzon. In both games when Jude and Askew came on we were a different proposition, but didn't get the breaks at crucial moments.
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Post by Forever Blue on Aug 27, 2021 1:26:29 GMT
All that aside but Bern never had the answer either and that's more worrying twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1rmxPzoRAOgGN that interview hardly filled me with confidence, oh well onwards and upwards cmyb.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 27, 2021 4:41:16 GMT
All that aside but Bern never had the answer either and that's more worrying twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1rmxPzoRAOgGN that interview hardly filled me with confidence, oh well onwards and upwards cmyb. To be fair to him I think he was a bit shocked and surprised seeing the way we played and as others have said even without this covid break we have had to endure, we seen to come up with a totally awful performance and result once or twice a season. That said we usually bounce back afterwards so looking forward to us doing the same this time and playing much better on Saturday.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Aug 27, 2021 8:03:35 GMT
Cant believe how many people on here have been taken in by a Goat on a fishing trip.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Aug 27, 2021 8:48:24 GMT
Are they tactically astute or simply winging it? At Conference North level, probably very few are "tactically astute" as you put it. Oh I don't know. We were out thought both Saturday and Tuesday. When you have players like ours, the press that Farsley did (until they tired) and Curzon did panics our less cultured players and we can't get out. We resort to playing backwards and Gray ends up wanging it in the general direction of Waring. Even when George does win it we have nobody close enough to pick the bits up. We are constantly giving possession away. This changed when we brought Marsh-Hughes and Oyibo on in both games. Both will come short into the space between the MF and DF, and both will run at defenders. This makes the opposition midfield less likely to press. I'm sure J&M will find the answer, but one up front with two "wingers" doesn't work for us. We've always looked better under these when we play 4-4-2. I'd also like to see Clark or the elusive Mr Lacey in midfield, as we were bullied on Tuesday.
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