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Post by Lobster on Aug 31, 2021 6:03:47 GMT
Do people saying we've gone backwards actually remember what it was like when they took over? I distinctly remember a CFU meeting at the end of the McCarthy/Bignot season where serious discussion was given to whether we could afford to even compete at Conference North level, and whether we might have to accept back-to-back relegations in order to sort ourselves out financially.
In the end, we finished not far off the playoffs that season, and in the playoffs for the last two seasons. We've been better each season, albeit with two of the seasons counting for little.
I don't mind people saying they're not the answer or aren't doing well enough, but to say they've taken us backwards is nonsense that can easily be disproven.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 31, 2021 8:11:25 GMT
I would say that any progress has been very limited, and can’t honestly say that we’re a better side now than in their first season in charge.
Season before last when we were in the play offs, we were clinging on and had lost 4 in the last 6, and if the season had been played to completion we’d have finished outside them.
There’d have been no guarantees last year either, we’d played up to four games less than teams around us and others challenging for play offs.
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Post by Blockhead on Aug 31, 2021 8:14:32 GMT
The last three games, you'd never know these are actual football managers. The way they set the defence up (and change it during play) is either bingo or incompetence. This is the basics.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 31, 2021 8:31:51 GMT
Jonno really doesn’t help himself on the socials - still reacting and arguing with fans this morning. Some of our fans will end up driving these two out of the club this way but how difficult is it really to just ignore and not get involved in Twitter spats?
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Aug 31, 2021 9:03:38 GMT
Jonno really doesn’t help himself on the socials - still reacting and arguing with fans this morning. Some of our fans will end up driving these two out of the club this way but how difficult is it really to just ignore and not get involved in Twitter spats? Saves money on sacking them… It is embarrassing though getting involved in spats on Twitter, makes the whole club look tinpot.
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Post by Si on Aug 31, 2021 9:30:36 GMT
Jonno really doesn’t help himself on the socials - still reacting and arguing with fans this morning. Some of our fans will end up driving these two out of the club this way but how difficult is it really to just ignore and not get involved in Twitter spats? The thing is we all love Jonno's engagement with fans on the socials when it's going well, and if he suddenly went quiet because we are going through a bad spell he would get pelters for not facing up to it. He obviously needs to be careful with it, but I think its a breath of fresh air that a manager is willing to face up to things and explain decisions etc.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 31, 2021 9:33:20 GMT
Jonno really doesn’t help himself on the socials - still reacting and arguing with fans this morning. Some of our fans will end up driving these two out of the club this way but how difficult is it really to just ignore and not get involved in Twitter spats? The thing is we all love Jonno's engagement with fans on the socials when it's going well, and if he suddenly went quiet because we are going through a bad spell he would get pelters for not facing up to it. He obviously needs to be careful with it, but I think its a breath of fresh air that a manager is willing to face up to things and explain decisions etc. Problem is it’s also potentially the same reason he’ll get fed up of us.
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Post by Si on Aug 31, 2021 9:36:33 GMT
The thing is we all love Jonno's engagement with fans on the socials when it's going well, and if he suddenly went quiet because we are going through a bad spell he would get pelters for not facing up to it. He obviously needs to be careful with it, but I think its a breath of fresh air that a manager is willing to face up to things and explain decisions etc. Problem is it’s also potentially the same reason he’ll get fed up of us. I do cringe at some of the shit he gets on there but he is big enough to know that being active and engaging on Twitter opens himself up to this kind of stuff and sure he he can take the rough with the smooth. Twitter can be a horrible place at times, although much better than the absolute fruit loops on the Facebook page.
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Post by alancfc on Aug 31, 2021 11:23:53 GMT
We were third before last season was declared void!! Playoffs the year before that. They managed a small squad, during a pandemic at a football club that has a mid-table budget and is unable to access any funding or debt!
We've been crap in the first three games this season, but those of you calling for them to go, need to give your head a wobble. IF, after 10 games things haven't improved, then maybe we should be asking some questions of them.
We've got non-league managers, they will make mistakes, that why they're at this level, not the football league. Same goes for our players; if they were consistent all rounded players, then they wouldn't be playing for us.
We've just lost 100'000 people to a virus and a year and a half of everyone else's liftimes; why are people stressing about a couple of bad results? Just enjoy the football, support your club, your managers and your players.
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Post by btb on Aug 31, 2021 13:19:45 GMT
They’re two young managers who have experience of winning at this level. I think their recent recruitment can be questioned. Along with a certain moral decision that was made this year but they understand the club and seem to have a genuine caring for it which reading SM over the past week or so I’m not sure some of our ‘supporters’ can say that at the moment!
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Post by inthestand on Aug 31, 2021 14:19:18 GMT
my neighbours cat wouldn't be out of depth in the our league to be honest, ive never been a big fan of the duo but given the circumstances and what they have to work with..they need another 8 to 10 games to see if they can turn it around..but to be quite frank...who ever comes in will struggle with our budget..it is, what it is!
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Post by vandycandy on Aug 31, 2021 22:10:47 GMT
I merely suggested it would be great if the club had more money. We would all like a few million £ to throw at it but most of us live in the real world. Just happy to have a club at the moment, and debt free. Not many are! Are you suggesting I don't live in the real world? Rather peculiar little dig if so....
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Post by tonya on Aug 31, 2021 22:11:11 GMT
my neighbours cat wouldn't be out of depth in the our league to be honest, ive never been a big fan of the duo but given the circumstances and what they have to work with..they need another 8 to 10 games to see if they can turn it around..but to be quite frank...who ever comes in will struggle with our budget..it is, what it is! You say 8-10 games.If we were to lose the next four, or fail to get a win that would have dire consequences for attendances and finances. For me they aren't the answer but I would love to be proven wrong.
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Post by Anders on Aug 31, 2021 22:30:33 GMT
Saw a tweet earlier today from an Altrincham fan to Jonno and it got me thinking. This time two years ago we were 3rd and only one of two teams not to have lost a game. Alty were 18th with 6 points from 7 games. We all know who ended up getting promoted.
Let's just all calm down a bit, yes it's rubbish at the moment but give them a proper chance with the squad fit and healthy.
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Post by jb on Sept 1, 2021 8:12:00 GMT
Not out of their depth. However, with a number of players playing out of their position and the constant chopping and changing of the team it is no doubt going to get the fans asking questions about their ability to take the club forward. Johnson and Morley's best run of clean sheets came when they played a settled defence of Moran, Livesey, Howson and Grand. It appeared then that each player knew their role and hence the reason for a run of 6 or 7 clean sheets.
Also, the summer recruitment hasn't been inspiring apart from one or two who still look a bit raw.
Still need to replace Stopforth and find a striker with pace and can bag a few goals. The loss of Jackson has also been felt even though he didn't play a huge amount of games he always made a difference. Hopefully they can find some more gems like Taylor and Asante to get the club back fighting for promotion.
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Post by peterkaysock on Sept 1, 2021 8:56:47 GMT
Wow, I'm actually surprised we have some well balanced responses on here. This club had fallen apart at the seems before Jonno and Bern came along. They united most of the fans, brought stability back to the club. Had us up the table at the right end I might add. Had players playing for nothing or a reduced rate. Have links with the fans on social media Investor pull out and pull the rug from under their feet. Pandemic.
Fan owned club with a tight budget. Brought through youth players and work well with the academy.
Buy into the fan owned structure.
There isn't going to be any Michael Owen or Duke bail out. We need to get on with what we have and get behind them. Getting on their backs as soon as we have a poor run is only going to destroy what has been built already.
Sit tight be patient and this will come good.
I remember Bignot was bigged up on here and he's hardly been pulling trees up at Guiseley after he got the boot.
I have followed Chester for over 40 years , this is nothing to what I seen over those years.
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Post by dhw on Sept 1, 2021 9:07:47 GMT
Wow, I'm actually surprised we have some well balanced responses on here. This club had fallen apart at the seems before Jonno and Bern came along. They united most of the fans, brought stability back to the club. Had us up the table at the right end I might add. Had players playing for nothing or a reduced rate. Have links with the fans on social media Investor pull out and pull the rug from under their feet. Pandemic. Fan owned club with a tight budget. Brought through youth players and work well with the academy. Buy into the fan owned structure. There isn't going to be any Michael Owen or Duke bail out. We need to get on with have and get behind them. Getting on their backs as soon as we have a poor run is only going to destroy what has been built already. Sit tight be patient and this will come good. I remember Bignot was bigged up on here and he's hardly been pulling trees up at Guiseley after he got the boot. I have followed Chester for over 40 years , this is nothing to what I seen over those years. One of the most sensible posts on Deva Chat for a long time!
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Post by Lobster on Sept 1, 2021 11:17:40 GMT
Wow, I'm actually surprised we have some well balanced responses on here. I'd liken this forum to a newspaper where you have to read beyond the headlines. At first glance it looks a load of reactionary clickbait, but within it there is some excellent journalism.
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Post by avfo on Sept 1, 2021 12:49:08 GMT
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Post by tonya on Sept 1, 2021 22:26:12 GMT
Wow, I'm actually surprised we have some well balanced responses on here. This club had fallen apart at the seems before Jonno and Bern came along. They united most of the fans, brought stability back to the club. Had us up the table at the right end I might add. Had players playing for nothing or a reduced rate. Have links with the fans on social media Investor pull out and pull the rug from under their feet. Pandemic. Fan owned club with a tight budget. Brought through youth players and work well with the academy. Buy into the fan owned structure. There isn't going to be any Michael Owen or Duke bail out. We need to get on with what we have and get behind them. Getting on their backs as soon as we have a poor run is only going to destroy what has been built already. Sit tight be patient and this will come good. I remember Bignot was bigged up on here and he's hardly been pulling trees up at Guiseley after he got the boot. I have followed Chester for over 40 years , this is nothing to what I seen over those years. A sobering appraisal of our current plight. Placing the current state of affairs in context with our turbulent past. As a fan on the sidelines it's hard to know what going on and what to believe. Fans unload on here which is understandable, especially for those who watch awful displays. Your right though for us to give them credit for their past committments and relative success on the pitch. Time will tell if they can turn things round. We all hope they do despite our petulant outbursts.
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 2, 2021 14:44:14 GMT
I would say that any progress has been very limited, and can’t honestly say that we’re a better side now than in their first season in charge. Season before last when we were in the play offs, we were clinging on and had lost 4 in the last 6, and if the season had been played to completion we’d have finished outside them. There’d have been no guarantees last year either, we’d played up to four games less than teams around us and others challenging for play offs. Gray not better than Shenton? Askew not better than Pritchard? Kev Roberts not better than Dom Smalley / Moran? Glendon not better than Burton? Weeks not better than Gary Roberts? Etc etc. Not a better side? Come on now.
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Post by inthestand on Sept 2, 2021 15:04:18 GMT
my neighbours cat wouldn't be out of depth in the our league to be honest, ive never been a big fan of the duo but given the circumstances and what they have to work with..they need another 8 to 10 games to see if they can turn it around..but to be quite frank...who ever comes in will struggle with our budget..it is, what it is! You say 8-10 games.If we were to lose the next four, or fail to get a win that would have dire consequences for attendances and finances. For me they aren't the answer but I would love to be proven wrong. under normal circumstances, 6 games without a win would see any manager(s) off...but unfortunately it hasn't been normal circumstances..we need to see if the team settles and to be fair to both im thinking in the next 10 games im looking at 15 pts is that reasonable or not ?
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 2, 2021 15:10:41 GMT
You say 8-10 games.If we were to lose the next four, or fail to get a win that would have dire consequences for attendances and finances. For me they aren't the answer but I would love to be proven wrong. under normal circumstances, 6 games without a win would see any manager(s) off...but unfortunately it hasn't been normal circumstances..we need to see if the team settles and to be fair to both im thinking in the next 10 games im looking at 15 pts is that reasonable or not ? 6 games without a win is normal circumstances for a sacking?!? We’re not Southport!
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 2, 2021 15:38:21 GMT
You say 8-10 games.If we were to lose the next four, or fail to get a win that would have dire consequences for attendances and finances. For me they aren't the answer but I would love to be proven wrong. under normal circumstances, 6 games without a win would see any manager(s) off… Eh?
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Post by villagercfc on Sept 11, 2021 17:44:37 GMT
I meant out of their depth because they had a huge budget at Salford.
They have to go.
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Post by superman on Sept 11, 2021 19:24:37 GMT
I worry that they are no longer fully focused or committed to Chester FC.
The hybrid model is dead and buried, we are part time and will not provide a pathway for them to full time employment.
They have the tie up with the former coach turned so called agent from N Wales.
They have developed their own Training Company.
No blame there from me as they want to earn a decent living.
The thing that concerned me in the recruitment drive was their admission that their book of names was empty. It should be full after several years at this level. The trials event was a sound idea but only ever likely to identify one or two prospects who need development. For too long we have relied in the main on their former associates who by and large have been average at best. All respect to Curzon Ashton who have made a blinding start to their campaign, but how many cast offs of theirs have we got playing for us now. Their recruitment is starting to look very McCarthy like.
You wonder whether they have lost some of the dressing room, they have certainly lost a big chunk of the fan base.
Can’t see this ending happily which is a shame as I really like them as open characters. Hope they prove me wrong.
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Post by jesterblue on Sept 11, 2021 19:37:38 GMT
What happened to Iwan Williams the 1st team coach from last season? We certainly seemed to be playing well when he was around.
Does anybody know who is doing the coaching this season - there are a few people on the bench I haven’t seen before.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 11, 2021 19:58:25 GMT
I meant out of their depth because they had a huge budget at Salford. They have to go. have you got money to sack them who do we bring in yes you are right they probably should move on but until there is a manager out there then we are stuck with them
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Post by arthuro on Sept 11, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
What happened to Iwan Williams the 1st team coach from last season? We certainly seemed to be playing well when he was around. Does anybody know who is doing the coaching this season - there are a few people on the bench I haven’t seen before. Has Worsnop moved out of that office chair since he came back? If him and some kid with no experience are part of the coaching team we are in trouble.
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Post by whitey on Sept 11, 2021 22:58:36 GMT
I worry that they are no longer fully focused or committed to Chester FC. The hybrid model is dead and buried, we are part time and will not provide a pathway for them to full time employment. They have the tie up with the former coach turned so called agent from N Wales. They have developed their own Training Company. No blame there from me as they want to earn a decent living. The thing that concerned me in the recruitment drive was their admission that their book of names was empty. It should be full after several years at this level. The trials event was a sound idea but only ever likely to identify one or two prospects who need development. For too long we have relied in the main on their former associates who by and large have been average at best. All respect to Curzon Ashton who have made a blinding start to their campaign, but how many cast offs of theirs have we got playing for us now. Their recruitment is starting to look very McCarthy like. You wonder whether they have lost some of the dressing room, they have certainly lost a big chunk of the fan base. Can’t see this ending happily which is a shame as I really like them as open characters. Hope they prove me wrong.
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