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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 12:34:03 GMT
In the spirit of trying to be constructive there are two specific areas where the club needs to make progress. Firstly commercial partners. The club have been very lucky to have had significant financial support from MBNA and Swettenham Chemists since 2010.We really need 2 or 3 similar partners who are prepared like them to work with the club in the long term. Despite a lot of time and effort being put in recently it is proving a struggle to find companies of a similar nature. Get in touch if you are aware of one who maybe interested ! Secondly engaging with the sports minded public in Chester. The KGV project will be a massive help in doing this given the amount of people who will use it each week. The project also illustrates how it is possible to work with partners to achieve things. The Football Foundation have provided £1.1 million, CWAC 400k, the Westminster Foundation 200k, Avenue Services 100k and Power To Change 125k towards the KGV project.Wether people like the idea or not the key to building the support base is to get those who follow a Premiership Club to make Chester their second team. It is obviously very difficult to do this without things going better on the pitch than they are now ! Another idea would be to give a reduced entrance fee to season ticket holders of other clubs. My mate is a season ticket holder at Stoke City and he has been a few times but £17 is a bit too expensive for him to come, when he is also shelling out for the Stoke games. that was tried years ago and it caused shit big time! I think it was guttermann who decided it was a good idea to let fans of rival clubs in for nothing whilst Chester fans paid to get in
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 21, 2021 14:08:02 GMT
Another idea would be to give a reduced entrance fee to season ticket holders of other clubs. My mate is a season ticket holder at Stoke City and he has been a few times but £17 is a bit too expensive for him to come, when he is also shelling out for the Stoke games. that was tried years ago and it caused shit big time! I think it was guttermann who decided it was a good idea to let fans of rival clubs in for nothing whilst Chester fans paid to get in i dudnt say for nothing. I said for a reduced fee.I know 2 lads Stoke and Birmingham City supporters who would be interested
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 21, 2021 14:16:01 GMT
In the spirit of trying to be constructive there are two specific areas where the club needs to make progress. Firstly commercial partners. The club have been very lucky to have had significant financial support from MBNA and Swettenham Chemists since 2010.We really need 2 or 3 similar partners who are prepared like them to work with the club in the long term. Despite a lot of time and effort being put in recently it is proving a struggle to find companies of a similar nature. Get in touch if you are aware of one who maybe interested ! Secondly engaging with the sports minded public in Chester. The KGV project will be a massive help in doing this given the amount of people who will use it each week. The project also illustrates how it is possible to work with partners to achieve things. The Football Foundation have provided £1.1 million, CWAC 400k, the Westminster Foundation 200k, Avenue Services 100k and Power To Change 125k towards the KGV project.Wether people like the idea or not the key to building the support base is to get those who follow a Premiership Club to make Chester their second team. It is obviously very difficult to do this without things going better on the pitch than they are now ! Another idea would be to give a reduced entrance fee to season ticket holders of other clubs. My mate is a season ticket holder at Stoke City and he has been a few times but £17 is a bit too expensive for him to come, when he is also shelling out for the Stoke games. Why should a supporter of another club get in cheaper than a Chester fan? Doubt that would go down well.
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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 14:19:48 GMT
Another idea would be to give a reduced entrance fee to season ticket holders of other clubs. My mate is a season ticket holder at Stoke City and he has been a few times but £17 is a bit too expensive for him to come, when he is also shelling out for the Stoke games. Why should a supporter of another club get in cheaper than a Chester fan? Doubt that would go down well. damn right!
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 21, 2021 14:24:56 GMT
Why should a supporter of another club get in cheaper than a Chester fan? Doubt that would go down well. damn right! Lets hear a constructive idea from you re: growing the fan base then? Instead of shooting down any idea proposed.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 21, 2021 14:28:18 GMT
Another idea would be to give a reduced entrance fee to season ticket holders of other clubs. My mate is a season ticket holder at Stoke City and he has been a few times but £17 is a bit too expensive for him to come, when he is also shelling out for the Stoke games. Why should a supporter of another club get in cheaper than a Chester fan? Doubt that would go down well. By making Chester their sevond team and growing the fan base perhaps? More revenue.
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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 15:53:21 GMT
Lets hear a constructive idea from you re: growing the fan base then? Instead of shooting down any idea proposed. I never intended to ‘shoot down’ your idea. But think about it this way. The whole thread is about money or lack of it. You I am sure have the club at heart with this idea But can you imagine how many people have paid for STs and pay at the gate who will just stay away because fans of other clubs get special treatment? It would cause real trouble. As for my idea of growing the fan base? Not a clue. Everything has been tried over the years and it has not made any difference. I think that the general population of Chester and district just don’t give a shit about the club, never will either. We are stuck with a slowly decreasing fan base to keep the club afloat. Over the last 40 years our crowds have never averaged over 3,000. There is no interest in the club outside of the existing fan base. This is why we cannot afford to piss off the existing fans by letting others clubs fans in on the cheap whilst charging our own fans full whack
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 21, 2021 16:13:20 GMT
Lets hear a constructive idea from you re: growing the fan base then? Instead of shooting down any idea proposed. I never intended to ‘shoot down’ your idea. But think about it this way. The whole thread is about money or lack of it. You I am sure have the club at heart with this idea But can you imagine how many people have paid for STs and pay at the gate who will just stay away because fans of other clubs get special treatment? It would cause real trouble. As for my idea of growing the fan base? Not a clue. Everything has been tried over the years and it has not made any difference. I think that the general population of Chester and district just don’t give a shit about the club, never will either. We are stuck with a slowly decreasing fan base to keep the club afloat. Over the last 40 years our crowds have never averaged over 3,000. There is no interest in the club outside of the existing fan base. This is why we cannot afford to piss off the existing fans by letting others clubs fans in on the cheap whilst charging our own fans full whack Yet you believe handing the club over to a private individual will suddenly attract people back? If everything has been tried over the years and it hasn’t made any difference, why would private ownership make a difference?
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 21, 2021 16:15:56 GMT
As one of those who does pay full whack, it wouldn't bother me if it was handled right.
If, for example, fans of other clubs were able to get in to say two games on production of their season ticket for maybe £3 less to encourage them to attend, and then came back for more at full price if they enjoyed it, then the club wins. Even if they don't the club has picked up £24 or £28 that they wouldn't have got, as I suspect that those fans wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
Surely we should have the interest of the club at heart, not our own self interest.
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Post by inthestand on Sept 21, 2021 16:50:42 GMT
I never intended to ‘shoot down’ your idea. But think about it this way. The whole thread is about money or lack of it. You I am sure have the club at heart with this idea But can you imagine how many people have paid for STs and pay at the gate who will just stay away because fans of other clubs get special treatment? It would cause real trouble. As for my idea of growing the fan base? Not a clue. Everything has been tried over the years and it has not made any difference. I think that the general population of Chester and district just don’t give a shit about the club, never will either. We are stuck with a slowly decreasing fan base to keep the club afloat. Over the last 40 years our crowds have never averaged over 3,000. There is no interest in the club outside of the existing fan base. This is why we cannot afford to piss off the existing fans by letting others clubs fans in on the cheap whilst charging our own fans full whack Yet you believe handing the club over to a private individual will suddenly attract people back? If everything has been tried over the years and it hasn’t made any difference, why would private ownership make a difference? Yet you believe handing the club over to a private individual will suddenly attract people back? If everything has been tried over the years and it hasn’t made any difference, why would private ownership make a difference?....haven't our neighbours up the road just doubled their fan base overnight through private ownership?, getting the semi interested fan back into the ground!....look im not trying to tell you who, why or if anybody should own us...all im saying fan ownership just doesn't work if we need to progress our way to the EFL and more importantly win our supporters back and also attract new ones for the future which is vital...because (and everybody will agree with this im sure) without them this club will die...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 16:54:18 GMT
The fact we couldn't compete in the NL Club almost went bust Crowds dying Struggling in the league below
Surely people gotta be concerned about this?
Of course people are concerned about our League position and crowds. I will try again. What form of ownership model do you want ? How much should a backer put in and for how long ? Should they be sold the Stadium ? Should they loan the club money ? You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 21, 2021 17:08:51 GMT
Of course people are concerned about our League position and crowds. I will try again. What form of ownership model do you want ? How much should a backer put in and for how long ? Should they be sold the Stadium ? Should they loan the club money ? You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. You guys are proposing the change of ownership model, it’s only fair you back up the proposals with the detail. Just shouting: “WE NEED CHANGE! THIS ISN’T WORKING” without telling us how it should be changed, how it will work when it is changed etc doesn’t really mean anything. It’s just vacuous sound bites.
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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 17:10:45 GMT
I never intended to ‘shoot down’ your idea. But think about it this way. The whole thread is about money or lack of it. You I am sure have the club at heart with this idea But can you imagine how many people have paid for STs and pay at the gate who will just stay away because fans of other clubs get special treatment? It would cause real trouble. As for my idea of growing the fan base? Not a clue. Everything has been tried over the years and it has not made any difference. I think that the general population of Chester and district just don’t give a shit about the club, never will either. We are stuck with a slowly decreasing fan base to keep the club afloat. Over the last 40 years our crowds have never averaged over 3,000. There is no interest in the club outside of the existing fan base. This is why we cannot afford to piss off the existing fans by letting others clubs fans in on the cheap whilst charging our own fans full whack Yet you believe handing the club over to a private individual will suddenly attract people back? If everything has been tried over the years and it hasn’t made any difference, why would private ownership make a difference? WTF you on about?? My post was about letting fans of other clubs in on the cheap and why (in my opinion) it would be a bad idea. Can't you make a reply without moving the thread back to the ownership debate? Are you going to actually respond to the comment about lowering prices instead of going on about this boring shite about how 100% fan ownership is the best thing since sliced bread? I get it..you don't want outside influence in the club, i get it that you don't agree with mine (and plenty of other peoples) views. I have been trying to move away from the issue but it is you who keeps bouncing it back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 17:11:21 GMT
You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. You guys are proposing the change of ownership model, it’s only fair you back up the proposals with the detail. Just shouting: “WE NEED CHANGE! THIS ISN’T WORKING” without telling us how it should be changed, how it will work when it is changed etc doesn’t really mean anything. It’s just vacuous sound bites. So I need to sit down with a business owner and discuss that do I? The fact that on another thread we are happy with 1k turning up tonight speaks volumes.
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 21, 2021 17:16:31 GMT
Of course people are concerned about our League position and crowds. I will try again. What form of ownership model do you want ? How much should a backer put in and for how long ? Should they be sold the Stadium ? Should they loan the club money ? You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. Those are the questions that you have to be able to answer if you want anyone to take you seriously.
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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 17:28:01 GMT
Of course people are concerned about our League position and crowds. I will try again. What form of ownership model do you want ? How much should a backer put in and for how long ? Should they be sold the Stadium ? Should they loan the club money ? You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. This is the thing. They offer the same reply every time. I don't know the answers to who/when/how/why. But the usual stuff off the fan owned brigade is ''we are in a better position than we were bla bla'' But are we? so my question is what are THEY going to do to make up the short fall when crowds fall well below the projected budget. I am not saying that we should just sell out to the first person who shows an interest. All i want is for them to be open to the possibility of changing our working model. Like i have said previously the 100% model is not going to get us into the league..no way! It is an 'existence model, a survival model' and it is killing the fan base because it is starting to sink in that it's impossible to actually be ambitious when we cannot even afford to go full time. most of the Nl and plenty in NLN/NLS are full time. How the hell can we complete?
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Sept 21, 2021 17:33:18 GMT
Of course people are concerned about our League position and crowds. I will try again. What form of ownership model do you want ? How much should a backer put in and for how long ? Should they be sold the Stadium ? Should they loan the club money ? You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. I'm happier with NLN football and small crowds as opposed to there being no club at all to support!
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 21, 2021 17:37:50 GMT
You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. This is the thing. They offer the same reply every time. I don't know the answers to who/when/how/why. But the usual stuff off the fan owned brigade is ''we are in a better position than we were bla bla'' But are we? so my question is what are THEY going to do to make up the short fall when crowds fall well below the projected budget. I am not saying that we should just sell out to the first person who shows an interest. All i want is for them to be open to the possibility of changing our working model. Like i have said previously the 100% model is not going to get us into the league..no way! It is an 'existence model, a survival model' and it is killing the fan base because it is starting to sink in that it's impossible to actually be ambitious when we cannot even afford to go full time. most of the Nl and plenty in NLN/NLS are full time. How the hell can we complete? I don't understand why you can't answer those questions. They are perfectly reasonable. You must have some idea of what you would like things to look like.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Sept 21, 2021 17:37:56 GMT
You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. This is the thing. They offer the same reply every time. I don't know the answers to who/when/how/why. But the usual stuff off the fan owned brigade is ''we are in a better position than we were bla bla'' But are we? so my question is what are THEY going to do to make up the short fall when crowds fall well below the projected budget. I am not saying that we should just sell out to the first person who shows an interest. All i want is for them to be open to the possibility of changing our working model. Like i have said previously the 100% model is not going to get us into the league..no way! It is an 'existence model, a survival model' and it is killing the fan base because it is starting to sink in that it's impossible to actually be ambitious when we cannot even afford to go full time. most of the Nl and plenty in NLN/NLS are full time. How the hell can we complete?Most of them seem to be funded by the magic money tree. ie unsustainable long term!
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Post by waggoner on Sept 21, 2021 17:47:08 GMT
This is the thing. They offer the same reply every time. I don't know the answers to who/when/how/why. But the usual stuff off the fan owned brigade is ''we are in a better position than we were bla bla'' But are we? so my question is what are THEY going to do to make up the short fall when crowds fall well below the projected budget. I am not saying that we should just sell out to the first person who shows an interest. All i want is for them to be open to the possibility of changing our working model. Like i have said previously the 100% model is not going to get us into the league..no way! It is an 'existence model, a survival model' and it is killing the fan base because it is starting to sink in that it's impossible to actually be ambitious when we cannot even afford to go full time. most of the Nl and plenty in NLN/NLS are full time. How the hell can we complete?Most of them seem to be funded by the magic money tree. ie unsustainable long term! So is this model. When crowds drop so does the budget and so does the quality of the team. Won't be long when we are playing Runcorn linnets, Warrington Rylands week in week out is what you want?
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Post by Si on Sept 21, 2021 19:33:01 GMT
You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. This is the thing. They offer the same reply every time. I don't know the answers to who/when/how/why. But the usual stuff off the fan owned brigade is ''we are in a better position than we were bla bla'' But are we? so my question is what are THEY going to do to make up the short fall when crowds fall well below the projected budget. I am not saying that we should just sell out to the first person who shows an interest. All i want is for them to be open to the possibility of changing our working model. Like i have said previously the 100% model is not going to get us into the league..no way! It is an 'existence model, a survival model' and it is killing the fan base because it is starting to sink in that it's impossible to actually be ambitious when we cannot even afford to go full time. most of the Nl and plenty in NLN/NLS are full time. How the hell can we complete? Like Jeff said, nobody is stopping anyone putting a bid in. Anyone is welcome to speak to the board about investment. I dont know why we are going around in circles about something that hasn't happened and may not happen? We are at the mercy of whenever someone decides they might want to buy our club, until then we have to crack on or do we just give up because we are shit?
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 21, 2021 21:06:48 GMT
You ask these questions like everyone should know the answer to them. When in doubt offer a question where you know that anybody would struggle to answer. Another one who is clearly happy with NLN football and no crowds. Those are the questions that you have to be able to answer if you want anyone to take you seriously. They are perfectly sensible questions. If you you want investiment you need to think about these things. Instead of coming out with meaningless platirudes, like we need a big money backer.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Sept 22, 2021 8:13:50 GMT
Thanks for the answer. Currently 150k being put in by current owners not including gate money plus about 100k worth of volunteer work. So you are looking for somebody to put in 500k per season minimum. Do you want them to own 100% of the club and the Stadium ? SV ‘ put in’ an average of 650k for 8 seasons just to give some context. He owned all the club and wanted the Stadium as did Mr Murphy plus a rather large chunk of surrounding land. He offered the Council £1 for the lot ! The stadiums a tricky one really feel the council hold us back a lot really so much more could be done with that ground Only got to look at macc’s set up and as mad as it sounds they’re way ahead of us This Macc? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54177582Or is there another one you were thinking of?
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Post by weareblues on Sept 22, 2021 8:19:30 GMT
The stadiums a tricky one really feel the council hold us back a lot really so much more could be done with that ground Only got to look at macc’s set up and as mad as it sounds they’re way ahead of us This Macc? www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54177582Or is there another one you were thinking of? You not been there recently ? Grounds been completely done up the facilities they have are quality
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Post by eyeswideopen on Sept 22, 2021 8:22:55 GMT
You not been there recently ? Grounds been completely done up the facilities they have are quality No not recently What do they have that we dont?
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 22, 2021 8:35:11 GMT
You not been there recently ? Grounds been completely done up the facilities they have are quality No not recently What do they have that we dont? Savage, and a 4G pitch. Buxton have the same (not Savage, obviously). A lot of money has gone into both. It helps that Savage lives locally and his kid is in the academy. Buxton doesn't add up to me, some big names (Jamie Ward, London Meikle etc) plus money spent elsewhere on crowds of 400.A big gamble!
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Post by weareblues on Sept 22, 2021 8:59:56 GMT
No not recently What do they have that we dont? Savage, and a 4G pitch. Buxton have the same (not Savage, obviously). A lot of money has gone into both. It helps that Savage lives locally and his kid is in the academy. Buxton doesn't add up to me, some big names (Jamie Ward, London Meikle etc) plus money spent elsewhere on crowds of 400.A big gamble! On about the bar facilities they have there very impressive, Realistically it’s something we need to be aiming to do if we want to progress and find ways to bring in more income
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 22, 2021 9:41:17 GMT
Savage, and a 4G pitch. Buxton have the same (not Savage, obviously). A lot of money has gone into both. It helps that Savage lives locally and his kid is in the academy. Buxton doesn't add up to me, some big names (Jamie Ward, London Meikle etc) plus money spent elsewhere on crowds of 400.A big gamble! On about the bar facilities they have there very impressive, Realistically it’s something we need to be aiming to do if we want to progress and find ways to bring in more income What they have there has taken massive investment in infrastructure from one individual. That is extremely rare at this level or several above, which is why you don't see it when you travel around. Most clubs struggle just to maintain a team and a ground, whether they are fan owned or privately owned. It would be lovely to have a bar like that, but does it actually generate the level of income to justify the outlay? I don't know what it cost, but I do know that a lot of money has been spent at Macc and I hope that the owner doesn't come to regret it at some point if success on the pitch doesn't follow.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2021 10:22:30 GMT
On about the bar facilities they have there very impressive, Realistically it’s something we need to be aiming to do if we want to progress and find ways to bring in more income What they have there has taken massive investment in infrastructure from one individual. That is extremely rare at this level or several above, which is why you don't see it when you travel around. Most clubs struggle just to maintain a team and a ground, whether they are fan owned or privately owned. It would be lovely to have a bar like that, but does it actually generate the level of income to justify the outlay? I don't know what it cost, but I do know that a lot of money has been spent at Macc and I hope that the owner doesn't come to regret it at some point if success on the pitch doesn't follow. In fairness if we had something anywhere near that I’d be down the ground 2 hours early for food and beers. Sure many others would too. Although the Macc bar is an extreme example I do agree the match day experience needs to improve - the blues bar is dated and cramped. Suggested a marquee up outside with a local brewery on tap or something like this to give fans somewhere else to have a drink. Anything but the £4 warm carlsberg cans…..
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 22, 2021 10:44:39 GMT
What they have there has taken massive investment in infrastructure from one individual. That is extremely rare at this level or several above, which is why you don't see it when you travel around. Most clubs struggle just to maintain a team and a ground, whether they are fan owned or privately owned. It would be lovely to have a bar like that, but does it actually generate the level of income to justify the outlay? I don't know what it cost, but I do know that a lot of money has been spent at Macc and I hope that the owner doesn't come to regret it at some point if success on the pitch doesn't follow. In fairness if we had something anywhere near that I’d be down the ground 2 hours early for food and beers. Sure many others would too. Although the Macc bar is an extreme example I do agree the match day experience needs to improve - the blues bar is dated and cramped. Suggested a marquee up outside with a local brewery on tap or something like this to give fans somewhere else to have a drink. Anything but the £4 warm carlsberg cans….. Yep, agreed.
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