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Post by weareblues on Aug 30, 2021 22:01:29 GMT
And you think a club ran by volunteers can compete in the league above ? Give over ffs As above, we already have been competitive in the league above. Top half finish. One Others were relegatd or relegation battles |
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Post by cheshireblue on Aug 30, 2021 22:01:59 GMT
The fact is that people only whine about the model when we are losing games. I genuinely don't know what planet people are living on when they say fan ownership has 'failed'. By what measure has it failed? The irony being that these same people are supporting a private ownership model which has demonstrably failed across the footballing pyramid to such an extent that our own football club ceased to exist under such a model. To top it off, when challenged on who is going to buy the club, why they'd buy it and how they are going to bring success on the pitch; sudden silence. All of this just a year or so after a total joker tried to get his hands on the club so he could turn the carpark into a surf centre. Just baffling. Perfectly summed up. The same individuals who pine for the private ownership model, probably moan about how the billions pumped into the Premier League, have killed lower league football. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 30, 2021 22:20:32 GMT
It seems even a Hollywood takeover can only get you a home draw with Notts County, who are perennially shite. I've actually got a bet on notts county at 8-1 to win it so there not that bad They'll go up from it sooner or later but they should be nowhere near that division. Another example of a privately run circus of a club. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2021 23:02:27 GMT
F**k me did anyone see the Facebook comments under match result? 79 comments from complete cockwombles.
Someone’s likened the board to the secret service and others state we’re a woke football club.
I’m completely done.
If we grab a result against Alfreton and a point v Chorley we’ll be back on track.
You should have to take an IQ test to be let on Facebook - and here !
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 30, 2021 23:50:06 GMT
A big money backer. Right Bro. I ll give you the full list. Maybe a Stephen Vaughan ( club ceased to exist). A Terry Smith perhaps ( Relegated from the Football League) Lets try Gutterman ( Vertually Bankrupt and relegated) Maybe an Eric Barnes (Football ground sold and exciled to Macclesfield and a 90 mile round trip to watch a home game) And people are still calling for big money backers and private ownership. Idiotic. Hasnt the penny dropped that we have been shafted by every big money backer and private owner, in the last 40 years.?
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Post by cameandabel on Aug 31, 2021 6:09:10 GMT
I genuinely don’t see where people think this clubs going If things carry on. The fact is this model doesn’t work we’ve proved that in the national league Wrexham Hereford darling telford all proved it doesn’t work either… How have Telford and Hereford proved it doesn’t work? Telford actually got promoted to the National League a couple of times under fan-ownership, whereas under their current model they tend to be nothing more than a solid mid-table NLN side. Hereford rejected the chance to be fan-owned from the start and, considering the size of their fanbase, their record in the NLN has been poor. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 31, 2021 6:59:55 GMT
F**k me did anyone see the Facebook comments under match result? 79 comments from complete cockwombles. Someone’s likened the board to the secret service and others state we’re a woke football club. I’m completely done. If we grab a result against Alfreton and a point v Chorley we’ll be back on track. You should have to take an IQ test to be let on Facebook - and here ! Not that our club is particularly openly “woke” but the definition is ‘being aware of racial and social injustices’ - never really understood why that term is used as a criticism, shouldn’t we all be woke? Maybe those so-called “supporters” take issue with the foodbank drop-off point we have run at the ground on occasion. If so, would rather not have them supporting the club to be honest. |
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Post by league2 on Aug 31, 2021 11:04:57 GMT
its plainly obvious that the club needs a backer,investor ,owner what ever you want to call them. the problem is I dont think there is one around right now. unfortunately we really have gone as far as we can go being just fan owned, not every owner of a football club is a crook .
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 31, 2021 11:15:06 GMT
Hearts have just gone 100% fan-owned within the last day or so - becoming the biggest club in Britain to do so. Suspect we will be seeing a lot more clubs doing the same in the coming years.
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Post by league2 on Aug 31, 2021 12:01:55 GMT
Hearts have just gone 100% fan-owned within the last day or so - becoming the biggest club in Britain to do so. Suspect we will be seeing a lot more clubs doing the same in the coming years. your probley right if you can't find or haven't got a good owner there is no other way to go ,but a very rich local owner would be a dream for most clubs |
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Post by weareblues on Aug 31, 2021 12:21:13 GMT
Hearts have just gone 100% fan-owned within the last day or so - becoming the biggest club in Britain to do so. Suspect we will be seeing a lot more clubs doing the same in the coming years. Unless it’s because clubs have reformed I highly doubt you’ll see many fan owned football league clubs |
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Post by RonD on Aug 31, 2021 12:59:48 GMT
F**k me did anyone see the Facebook comments under match result? 79 comments from complete cockwombles. Someone’s likened the board to the secret service and others state we’re a woke football club. I’m completely done. If we grab a result against Alfreton and a point v Chorley we’ll be back on track. You should have to take an IQ test to be let on Facebook - and here ! The club need to regulate that page more. Most of the comments are ridiculous. I wonder how many of the regular critics actually go? |
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Post by btb on Aug 31, 2021 13:12:10 GMT
We need investment but it needs to come from local businesses who understand the city and the club. We had a great tie in with MBNA and to a lesser extend Murphy’s businesses. It wasn’t a one way street either. They both got to play football and exposure for their businesses.
I’m not against private ownership on the whole but our history with this has been horrendous. I’m amazed anybody who supported the club through Barnes, Morrison’s, Gutterman, Smith and Vaughan would be so keen to go back to those days!
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Aug 31, 2021 13:15:10 GMT
F**k me did anyone see the Facebook comments under match result? 79 comments from complete cockwombles. Someone’s likened the board to the secret service and others state we’re a woke football club. I’m completely done. If we grab a result against Alfreton and a point v Chorley we’ll be back on track. You should have to take an IQ test to be let on Facebook - and here ! The club need to regulate that page more. Most of the comments are ridiculous. I wonder how many of the regular critics actually go? Why people bother with Facebook is beyond me. It is utterly woeful and is populated by racist pondlife. |
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Post by weareblues on Aug 31, 2021 13:43:22 GMT
We need investment but it needs to come from local businesses who understand the city and the club. We had a great tie in with MBNA and to a lesser extend Murphy’s businesses. It wasn’t a one way street either. They both got to play football and exposure for their businesses. I’m not against private ownership on the whole but our history with this has been horrendous. I’m amazed anybody who supported the club through Barnes, Morrison’s, Gutterman, Smith and Vaughan would be so keen to go back to those days! The current times aren’t much better |
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Post by btb on Aug 31, 2021 13:49:54 GMT
We need investment but it needs to come from local businesses who understand the city and the club. We had a great tie in with MBNA and to a lesser extend Murphy’s businesses. It wasn’t a one way street either. They both got to play football and exposure for their businesses. I’m not against private ownership on the whole but our history with this has been horrendous. I’m amazed anybody who supported the club through Barnes, Morrison’s, Gutterman, Smith and Vaughan would be so keen to go back to those days! The current times aren’t much better Granted. But the gates are open and the players and staff are getting paid. |
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Post by waggoner on Aug 31, 2021 13:51:18 GMT
FFS don’t know why I clicked the thread just to get myself wound up. Going to not bother reading this forum after a defeat - all the idiots come crawling out of the woodwork. This place is full of it tonight. Very predictable isn't it. Nobody has ever stopped a backer from putting an offer on the table - when we get a proper offer then by all means the conversation can be had, but as for now it's like me saying that I really need to be shagging Katy Perry whilst knowing full well the chances are low. but they have stopped someone putting an offer to buy the club on the table. If someone wants to invest the usual answer is ‘as long as they give it as a gift and don’t want to run the club’ like someone is going to dump a couple of million in and just say ‘’ here’s some dish keep it I don’t want it’’ even if someone did want to invest they only have to read just how hostile some are on here to just walk away |
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Post by Si on Aug 31, 2021 14:04:42 GMT
Very predictable isn't it. Nobody has ever stopped a backer from putting an offer on the table - when we get a proper offer then by all means the conversation can be had, but as for now it's like me saying that I really need to be shagging Katy Perry whilst knowing full well the chances are low. but they have stopped someone putting an offer to buy the club on the table. If someone wants to invest the usual answer is ‘as long as they give it as a gift and don’t want to run the club’ like someone is going to dump a couple of million in and just say ‘’ here’s some dish keep it I don’t want it’’ even if someone did want to invest they only have to read just how hostile some are on here to just walk away I don't recall the club stopping an offer? Murphy presented an idea, the club asked him to submit a business plan and pay his debts and he ran away. |
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Post by inthestand on Aug 31, 2021 14:09:32 GMT
its the rock and the hard case situation really or is it?..under fan ownership could we ever realistically reach EFL ? in my opinion, probably not, could we do it with a good investor ?..we would have a fair chance and better than we have now...could we go bust? yes as a fan ownership and privately owned, both have there pitfalls..are most clubs fan owned in the EFL?..no about 98% are privately run. Now this is the big problem..carry on as we are doing and our fan base will start to reduce at levels that wont sustain the club financially, if you look at how poor our squad is compared to other seasons..the rot is already starting to creep in...people don't want groundhog day every other weekend...and have to pay £17 for it...
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Post by waggoner on Aug 31, 2021 16:37:00 GMT
A big money backer. Right Bro. I ll give you the full list. Maybe a Stephen Vaughan ( club ceased to exist). A Terry Smith perhaps ( Relegated from the Football League) Lets try Gutterman ( Vertually Bankrupt and relegated) Maybe an Eric Barnes (Football ground sold and exciled to Macclesfield and a 90 mile round trip to watch a home game) And people are still calling for big money backers and private ownership. Idiotic. Hasnt the penny dropped that we have been shafted by every big money backer and private owner, in the last 40 years.? Yes this is true. BUT this was a production line of shysters bleeding the club dry then selling it on the the next shysters to asset strip the club. Let's face it, the crap we were in do you think anyone other than a conman would have bought the club? |
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Post by waggoner on Aug 31, 2021 16:40:46 GMT
but they have stopped someone putting an offer to buy the club on the table. If someone wants to invest the usual answer is ‘as long as they give it as a gift and don’t want to run the club’ like someone is going to dump a couple of million in and just say ‘’ here’s some dish keep it I don’t want it’’ even if someone did want to invest they only have to read just how hostile some are on here to just walk away I don't recall the club stopping an offer? Murphy presented an idea, the club asked him to submit a business plan and pay his debts and he ran away. I never said that anyone had stopped an offer, what i said is that nobody will even consider it based on the hostility to it IF it involved giving up majority fan ownership. |
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Post by dhw on Aug 31, 2021 16:57:38 GMT
I don't recall the club stopping an offer? Murphy presented an idea, the club asked him to submit a business plan and pay his debts and he ran away. I never said that anyone had stopped an offer, what i said is that nobody will even consider it based on the hostility to it IF it involved giving up majority fan ownership. I have to say even if my numbers came up on the lottery I would not be handing over large sums of cash to the club - yes, money would help but large sums require a dedicated experienced team to manage and run - our club is well run considering the board is made up of volunteers with varying levels (or none) experience in running Businesses, so I doubt any right minded successful business person would just write a cheque snd walk away - they would always want some oversight. |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 31, 2021 17:03:02 GMT
A big money backer. Right Bro. I ll give you the full list. Maybe a Stephen Vaughan ( club ceased to exist). A Terry Smith perhaps ( Relegated from the Football League) Lets try Gutterman ( Vertually Bankrupt and relegated) Maybe an Eric Barnes (Football ground sold and exciled to Macclesfield and a 90 mile round trip to watch a home game) And people are still calling for big money backers and private ownership. Idiotic. Hasnt the penny dropped that we have been shafted by every big money backer and private owner, in the last 40 years.? Yes this is true. BUT this was a production line of shysters bleeding the club dry then selling it on the the next shysters to asset strip the club. Let's face it, the crap we were in do you think anyone other than a conman would have bought the club? And a future owner is unlikely to be any different. Murphy and his indoor beach being a prime example |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 31, 2021 17:04:27 GMT
I don't recall the club stopping an offer? Murphy presented an idea, the club asked him to submit a business plan and pay his debts and he ran away. I never said that anyone had stopped an offer, what i said is that nobody will even consider it based on the hostility to it IF it involved giving up majority fan ownership. I actually think that with the poor start, the financial uncertainty of Covid and the envious eyes cast across the border, the mood is such that the membership probably would vote in favour of even a half-baked offer for the club right now. And while I wouldn't want that myself, I would accept it as a democratic process. |
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Post by scott on Aug 31, 2021 17:15:20 GMT
Who do the fans think would buy us?
Hollywood wouldn't have looked at us. The ground is in the wrong location to be able to bring in any decent money from non footballing events to offset a big spend on players transfer fees and wages.
Our attendance is never going to grow to 3500 plus a week because people in Chester will not pay the money required to watch us at our level and above.
The ground needs a fortune spent on it but the return back is very little.
I think what we need is some local businessman on board who can put money into the club to cover the wage bill based on our attendances then any profit we make is shared between them and us with our share going into stadium improvements and the academy.
Long term we need to keep producing players we can sell at a profit.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Aug 31, 2021 17:23:47 GMT
Who do the fans think would buy us? Hollywood wouldn't have looked at us. The ground is in the wrong location to be able to bring in any decent money from non footballing events to offset a big spend on players transfer fees and wages. Our attendance is never going to grow to 3500 plus a week because people in Chester will not pay the money required to watch us at our level and above. The ground needs a fortune spent on it but the return back is very little. I think what we need is some local businessman on board who can put money into the club to cover the wage bill based on our attendances then any profit we make is shared between them and us with our share going into stadium improvements and the academy. Long term we need to keep producing players we can sell at a profit. I agree with most of this. The strategy should be based on developing our own academy players and signing players on under the age of 24 with sell on value and have a constant conveyor belt of them coming through. |
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Post by dhw on Aug 31, 2021 17:32:23 GMT
Who do the fans think would buy us? Hollywood wouldn't have looked at us. The ground is in the wrong location to be able to bring in any decent money from non footballing events to offset a big spend on players transfer fees and wages. Our attendance is never going to grow to 3500 plus a week because people in Chester will not pay the money required to watch us at our level and above. The ground needs a fortune spent on it but the return back is very little. I think what we need is some local businessman on board who can put money into the club to cover the wage bill based on our attendances then any profit we make is shared between them and us with our share going into stadium improvements and the academy. Long term we need to keep producing players we can sell at a profit. I agree with most of this. The strategy should be based on developing our own academy players and signing players on under the age of 24 with sell on value and have a constant conveyor belt of them coming through. But the biggest hurdle for that is the fan base accepting the results that strategy could bring… |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2021 18:14:02 GMT
Who do the fans think would buy us? Hollywood wouldn't have looked at us. The ground is in the wrong location to be able to bring in any decent money from non footballing events to offset a big spend on players transfer fees and wages. Our attendance is never going to grow to 3500 plus a week because people in Chester will not pay the money required to watch us at our level and above. The ground needs a fortune spent on it but the return back is very little. I think what we need is some local businessman on board who can put money into the club to cover the wage bill based on our attendances then any profit we make is shared between them and us with our share going into stadium improvements and the academy. Long term we need to keep producing players we can sell at a profit. Fair comment and agree. I’ve come to terms with fan ownership and accept this is best for us. If giving this up I’d want a reputable, local businessman, with a detailed strategy to even get a seat at our table. However everyone knows this is a bottomless pit and we have no secondary income or no attraction re the ground or facilities. Historically even in our 70-80s hey days I don’t even think we’ve consistently averaged 3,500-4,000. Even league 2 under Curle we were getting 2,500-2,800 off the top of my head which is our ceiling. Can we stop these numerous f*****g threads now about mangers, ownership, budgets etc and get behind us for Alfreton and Chorley. 4 points from these and we’re fine. |
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Post by stavros on Aug 31, 2021 18:28:37 GMT
To be fair I will have time for the original suggestion at the top of the thread …
As soon as someone shows me the multi millionaire willing to invest in a way that is free of loans, provides a sustainable financial model, retains fan influence on the board, brings no ego or ulterior motive and provides assurance that going bust won’t rapidly follow their departure..
Of course fans enjoy the boom times, ours did for a while under SV. But the harsh, harsh reality is that Fleetwood, Salford and Wrexham will have their day, just as Rushden, Grays, Telford United and indeed Chester City did when the giddiness made the light too bright for the unsustainable situation to be seen.
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Post by noddy on Aug 31, 2021 18:29:16 GMT
May as well not bother with Deva Chat if you're anti debate and discussion.
This is a board for fans to discuss all things Chester, good and bad. If that's annoying your "everything will be fine" mentality in a couple of games theory so be it. I will be there Saturday fully supportive of the team as always, I have given my thoughts and opinions previously in terms of why I don't think it will be a quick fix, let's hope for 4 points over the next two games, my personal prediction is we will be fortunate to pick up 1.
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