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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 11, 2021 18:52:30 GMT
Terrible team selection , a massive imbalance in the squad and not physical enough. There needs to be a clear out of at least 4 players. The new signings , apart from Williams and Askew are not good enough. Loyalty can only get you so far and its not being repayed. Get back to 4-4-2 with Lacey in midfield and Waring and Dudley upfront and get a goalscoring forward asap otherwise we will be in a relegation struggle
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Post by sammychester on Sept 11, 2021 19:06:38 GMT
Appalling day at the office, which to be quite honest, was entirely predictable even before kick off! Not sure where we go from here as what I'm seeing from this team currently is up there with the worst I've ever witnessed. Some on that pitch are genuinely good footballers clearly going through a bad time. Whether that's down to poor tactics, fitness or confidence they need to identify quickly. Certain others out there are absolutely not fit to wear the shirt.
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 11, 2021 19:23:33 GMT
I wasn’t there today but I’m struggling to work out where all this “six at the back” talk is coming from. Today we started with: 4 centre halves 1 left back who usually bombs forward and has even played left of a front three 3 centre mids 1 winger 1 “forward” Ok, it’s still very unbalanced but can anybody who did go today explain what the formation actually was and who played where? Good question regarding the formation. We were defending the goal right in front of us first half. So we should have a good view..... Cowan rb with Livesey and Williams ch No one played left back. I think it should have been Grand, but he was nowhere near the position. Seemed to be in front and left of Williams. Askew was pushed up more like a left winger. So don't think he was a wing back. Clark played behind or next to Glendon and Weeks. Johnston stood on the right wing. Stephenson up front on his own. We took off Clark after 30 mins and put Waring up front in a 2. Still had no one at left back. All the goals, and missed opportunities, came from crosses. Mainly from our left. We neither stopped the cross, or won the ball when it came in. I don't understand Grand's positioning at all. He was 20 yards away from where he needed to be. Or Askey was(?) The managers didn't seem to say anything, or do anything about it though. So, presumably, he did what they wanted. For a supposed great ball playing midfield why can't we keep and move the ball better? We were rubbish against Alfreton at this too. We've no one running in behind, so the opposition push up and maybe it's easier to close us down. We only kept it to 4 as Chorley made substitutions and took it easy. They let us pass it around and ran the game down. They also blocked our shots really well. Chorley were everything we weren't today. The looked like scoring every time the ball went into our area. They kept it simple. Closed us down really well. Looked a better team.. With the exception of their no.9 Colburgh, who looked really good, I don't think their players were any better than ours. Just played a simple organised high tempo game. I think Bern and Jonno are trying to give us a tippy tappy stylish brand of football they think we want. Maybe to prove they are good coaches. What we really want is an effective high tempo lower league style of football. It's what we're used to and expect. It's obvious we don't have a balanced squad. Our best players won't fit into our best side. We need to shift out, or loan out, at least 2 or 3. To bring different style of player in. We haven't addressed the frailties and shortcomings from last two seasons. Just signed more of the same. But the attacking players don't improve the starting eleven. Just make it more unbalanced. Pretty grim watch today. Thought Cowan did well. I'm warming to him. Weeks worked really hard. Waring worked hard when he came on. Other than that no positives at all. The reference to a Jon McCarthy side is very apt. This resembles his side more than a Bern and Jonno one.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 11, 2021 20:06:44 GMT
Look at the squad in general too many midfielders who are great players but lightweight sadly a dad's army defense one or both need to go sadly Morgan I'm not sure on looks the part but rarely produces Stephenson looks a donkey Waring doggied gets through a lot of work but can't win a header for a big lad Dudley probably the best of the strikers but is suffering from lack of confidence gray slightly better than what we have but that's not saying much Clark does the donkey work but is a walking yellow card so sadly thats the reality I'm afraid Johnston I forgot about him enough has been said on him
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 11, 2021 20:08:40 GMT
Appalling day at the office, which to be quite honest, was entirely predictable even before kick off! Not sure where we go from here as what I'm seeing from this team currently is up there with the worst I've ever witnessed. Some on that pitch are genuinely good footballers clearly going through a bad time. Whether that's down to poor tactics, fitness or confidence they need to identify quickly. Certain others out there are absolutely not fit to wear the shirt. like Stephenson Johnston there are two
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Post by ronseal on Sept 11, 2021 22:02:25 GMT
Look at the squad in general too many midfielders who are great players but lightweight sadly a dad's army defense one or both need to go sadly Morgan I'm not sure on looks the part but rarely produces Stephenson looks a donkey Waring doggied gets through a lot of work but can't win a header for a big lad Dudley probably the best of the strikers but is suffering from lack of confidence gray slightly better than what we have but that's not saying much Clark does the donkey work but is a walking yellow card so sadly thats the reality I'm afraid Johnston I forgot about him enough has been said on him Were you there today? Waring won all his headers (unlike Stephenson who won hardlly any) and generally wins a lot more than he loses. Our strikers aren’t getting much in quality service at the moment. We’re short of a Brad Jackson to put quality balls in the box.
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Post by uptonblue1 on Sept 11, 2021 22:08:58 GMT
On it's way out this club. You heard it here first. Unless owners come in it will die a slow death
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Post by bluejay on Sept 11, 2021 23:30:03 GMT
On it's way out this club. You heard it here first. Unless owners come in it will die a slow death No. Just having a shit run. There will always be a club because there will always be people who love the club. It seems like a million miles away tonight but when we get back to winning we will get fans back. Any sort of sustained success will bring even more - just look at attendances of clubs that have gone from the conference to the league. We're not dying. it just feels like we are because we're playing absolute garbage at the moment.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Sept 11, 2021 23:34:31 GMT
This was the first game I managed to make this season and I don't think there is much getting away from the fact the team selection just didn't work. Playing 4 centre-backs, none of whom are particularly pacey, was an odd decision. There are clearly question marks over whether Grand still has the legs to play at centre-back, but he certainly doesn't have the legs to play at left-back. Their first two goals both came from down that side - the first Clark had to come over and defend it from CM, the second Askew bust a gut to get back there from the left-wing. Genuinely had no idea where Grand was for either of them.
Worth pointing out that all of their goals came from crosses and set-pieces. They're a big side and it was compounded by our inability to win first and second balls - particularly annoying given presumably the decision to play 4 tall centre-backs was an attempt to nullify the threat from crosses and set-pieces.
For what it's worth, I didn't think we were quite as bad has been made out - certainly the substitutions helped a lot and we had a fair bit of the ball and some scrappy chances in the second half, even after Glendon was sent off. Waring did a pretty good job of winning flick-ons and Stephenson, for all his critics, looked much more assured with Waring up top with him and created a couple of chances.
Have to admit to being quite surprised at just how quickly things have got so toxic - clearly we've not had a brilliant start and the performances haven't been up to scratch but we're not exactly cut adrift. I think Bern and Jonno deserve a lot more respect than they're currently getting and should be given the opportunity to turn things around.
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Post by Blockhead on Sept 12, 2021 1:18:56 GMT
Probably the worst Chester team I’ve seen How long and what is the cost of their contracts. Should they not turn things round soon it would be good to know. Are they out of contract at the end of this season? It would be interesting to see an estimate of what we could negotiate to pay them off vs what we'd lose in gate revenue if our alarming drop off in attendances continues
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 12, 2021 6:16:02 GMT
It's a very difficult situation. The managers have stated this is the best squad they've had at Chester, yet pick such a defensive line up to play at Chorley they had to change the formation after 30 mins at 3 down. The manager then blames the players in the post match presser?
Problem for the board though is they know changing the manager won't necessarily improve attendances. Anyone who is any good already has a job, and even then they have this squad under contract and will have zero to nothing to bring anyone in. Its Bignot all over again.
Feel for those making the decisions. They must surely be preparing to meet the management and demand improvement. Can imagine the close relationships formed over the past few years will be put aside and a full and frank discussion will be had.
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Post by everhopeful on Sept 12, 2021 7:06:47 GMT
Johnstone given another hour of doing nothing before getting subbed again. Got to justify that fee boys. He's not done a light since he came here!
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Post by vandycandy on Sept 12, 2021 8:08:33 GMT
Interesting that my comment on this thread has been deleted for being nothing but honest. Care to shed any light on this? Are we not allowed to be honest anymore? Or are 2 or more "bad words" not permitted?
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Post by agl on Sept 12, 2021 8:47:46 GMT
It's a very difficult situation. The managers have stated this is the best squad they've had at Chester, yet pick such a defensive line up to play at Chorley they had to change the formation after 30 mins at 3 down. The manager then blames the players in the post match presser? Problem for the board though is they know changing the manager won't necessarily improve attendances. Anyone who is any good already has a job, and even then they have this squad under contract and will have zero to nothing to bring anyone in. Its Bignot all over again. Feel for those making the decisions. They must surely be preparing to meet the management and demand improvement. Can imagine the close relationships formed over the past few years will be put aside and a full and frank discussion will be had. Assume you are talking about reltionships with the board but they must also be questioning their trust in certain players. All very well setting up defensively but that only works if you can defend. It's been the Achilles Heel for ages
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Post by muffinthemule on Sept 12, 2021 9:15:58 GMT
Thought the Runcorn Linnets management team may have got a mention regards replacing the duo. Capable of fielding a team to win with attractive football and a youth policy for the future. Also popular with the fans and no doubt sent there to get experience in management. Maybe a year early though. Go down the stadium on Wednesday evening and watch his Chester Youth team on action in the FA Youth cup
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Sept 12, 2021 9:20:23 GMT
It's a very difficult situation. The managers have stated this is the best squad they've had at Chester, yet pick such a defensive line up to play at Chorley they had to change the formation after 30 mins at 3 down. The manager then blames the players in the post match presser? Problem for the board though is they know changing the manager won't necessarily improve attendances. Anyone who is any good already has a job, and even then they have this squad under contract and will have zero to nothing to bring anyone in. Its Bignot all over again. Feel for those making the decisions. They must surely be preparing to meet the management and demand improvement. Can imagine the close relationships formed over the past few years will be put aside and a full and frank discussion will be had. Assume you are talking about reltionships with the board but they must also be questioning their trust in certain players. All very well setting up defensively but that only works if you can defend. It's been the Achilles Heel for ages Yes, they are very likeable characters who will have strong relationships with board members. It happens, we've seen it before. Unfortunately the poor levels will see crowds/income drop and the board definitely can't ignore that. We lose in the cup at Darlo and heaven knows what the Blyth gate will be. Take the 900 ST holders off the Alfreton gate leaves only 400 home pay on the days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 11:11:18 GMT
Well, that was an absolute shocker yesterday.
Until we scored we offered nothing, zilch, nada, zero, nowt, rien, nichts, bugger all. By then, it was all over, another dreadful start condemning us to another demoralising defeat. We looked clueless, a group of 11 individuals who'd just met, not a team which had a clear week beforehand to prepare We certainly have an uncanny ability to make the opposition look world-beaters
I'm quite happy to lavish praise on the management and players when they perform, compete and show the right attitude and approach (to a large extent irrespective of the result). But, equally, they deserve all the criticism they get after a debacle like yesterday.
Everyone has opinions as to what the problems are and how to overcome them (see contributions on DC!) and there's no doubt we DO have some problems which are only mounting as this awful run continues. But ultimately, in my view, the buck must, at this moment, stop with the management. In the past, when we've had the odd setback, I've had faith in Bern and Jonno to plot a route out of trouble. However, now that faith is being sorely tested I can't help but wonder if we are we are witnessing the beginning of the end for these guys - the level of performance, the approach and tactics, the recruitment, the tetchy press conferences, the (alleged) having a pop at the fans - all contributing to a momentum that,I believe will only end up one way. Maybe the "likeable geezers" approach and the, I guess, "motivational" team talks will only get you so far. It seems that we are being found out by more tactically astute opposition eg Curzon. These teams seem to have progressed whist we appear to have stood still so, in effect, we've been "overtaken" by so-called lesser outfits.
Of course, what happens next is the looming question. We're in a horrible dilemma Do we stick or twist? Either way, it'll cost £££££s and we ain't got any! So,next weeks FA Cup tie has taken on huge significance - a run could generate some much needed cash that would enable us to make whatever changes are necessary. Fail and the immediate future may well be bleak for all sorts of reasons
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 12, 2021 11:22:28 GMT
My match preview:
Packed with everything regarding yesterday’s encounter, including.... 🏟 A stadium guide of Victory Park. 🎥 The goals from last Saturday’s thriller against Alfreton Town. 🔥 A key player for Chorley. 📽 Plus loads more!
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 12, 2021 11:43:57 GMT
My match preview: Packed with everything regarding yesterday’s encounter, including.... 🏟 A stadium guide of Victory Park. 🎥 The goals from last Saturday’s thriller against Alfreton Town. 🔥 A key player for Chorley. 📽 Plus loads more! Don't want to be picky, but shouldn't the match preview be put up before the match?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 12, 2021 12:04:20 GMT
My match preview: Packed with everything regarding yesterday’s encounter, including.... 🏟 A stadium guide of Victory Park. 🎥 The goals from last Saturday’s thriller against Alfreton Town. 🔥 A key player for Chorley. 📽 Plus loads more! Don't want to be picky, but shouldn't the match preview be put up before the match? Due to my two day jobs and the amount of games we’ve had lately I just haven’t had the time to edit my videos before the match. However, given our fixture list looks much more spaced out now with no midweek games for a while, then I should be able to upload them before the match like usual again 👍.
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 12, 2021 12:13:33 GMT
If I want to carry on watching non league football, I may as well save the trip into Chester and watch Connah's Quay. Can't ever see Chester in the Football League again. Good riddance.
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Post by muffinthemule on Sept 12, 2021 12:55:16 GMT
Are you the one man'?. Have you got a sheepdog?
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Post by Lobster on Sept 12, 2021 17:32:35 GMT
Don't want to be picky, but shouldn't the match preview be put up before the match? Due to my two day jobs and the amount of games we’ve had lately I just haven’t had the time to edit my videos before the match. However, given our fixture list looks much more spaced out now with no midweek games for a while, then I should be able to upload them before the match like usual again 👍. Maybe make them a little shorter, Rio. I know how much time and passion you put into them, and good on you, but I struggle to watch anything on YouTube for 45 mins personally! 10-15 mins maximum is a good length for a YouTube video and people's attention spans, and would be a little more manageable for you. Up to you, of course.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 12, 2021 17:40:25 GMT
Due to my two day jobs and the amount of games we’ve had lately I just haven’t had the time to edit my videos before the match. However, given our fixture list looks much more spaced out now with no midweek games for a while, then I should be able to upload them before the match like usual again 👍. Maybe make them a little shorter, Rio. I know how much time and passion you put into them, and good on you, but I struggle to watch anything on YouTube for 45 mins personally! 10-15 mins maximum is a good length for a YouTube video and people's attention spans, and would be a little more manageable for you. Up to you, of course. I’m certainly trying to make my vlogs much more shorter. For example, I’m not going to record my face in my actual matchday videos anymore, because I prefer to live in the real moment while it will ensure I enjoy myself a lot more during the games without the distraction of a phone. Thanks for the advice anyway 👍.
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Post by dc2cfc on Sept 13, 2021 7:42:54 GMT
Absolutely woeful,
I've never seen a team set up so defensively, terrible defending, poor Stephenson all on his own up front
Defend like that again, put the youth team in
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Post by boughtonbliue on Sept 13, 2021 7:58:41 GMT
Absolutely woeful, I've never seen a team set up so defensively, terrible defending, poor Stephenson all on his own up front Defend like that again, put the youth team in Yes I have to agree with you. Getting beaten in the almost every high ball. Grand looks spent, Livesey a shadow of his former self, Cowans and Williams all at sea😵
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 13, 2021 8:36:44 GMT
Absolutely woeful, I've never seen a team set up so defensively, terrible defending, poor Stephenson all on his own up front Defend like that again, put the youth team in I’d even go as far as putting the women’s team in 😀. They broke the Altrincham hoodoo yesterday by hammering them 10-0 so they can’t do any worse!
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Post by Matt on Sept 13, 2021 9:00:14 GMT
Absolute shambles and looking at the post match interview the management have no answers either.
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Post by superman on Sept 13, 2021 9:15:36 GMT
Watched highlights and listened again to Bernards interview. Really depressing. Not sure how he remains so convinced that this squad is good enough. Interesting that towards the end of the interview he hints that his co manager may not be of the same opinion. Cracks starting to appear under pressure of continued poor performance. Seems to be a lack of leadership and more worrying a lack of organisation. An absolute shambles. There should be enough experience of this level of football from both the management and within the squad to get the basics right but it just isn’t working. Fear for the worst. No team is ever too good to go down if the basics of team organisation aren’t in place week in week out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 11:13:20 GMT
Highlights bring back awful memories of Saturday You just cringe at the defending The look of sheer despair and dejection on the faces of those behind the goal speaks volumes
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