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Post by Lobster on Oct 8, 2022 17:00:48 GMT
Awful goal of theirs - lucky bloody ricochet ! Feels a bit like Hereford and another few where we’ve been ‘game managed’ by a senior football team. 13 points from 11 not good enough but let’s start picking up some wins in the next few. Ps - Unsure why we feel the need to mention the goats on a thread about our home game with Darlington, who cares. Agree with this, win, lose or draw they are mentioned on every one of our match threads. Really don't see the point. I'd suggest that any talk about the scum is dedicated to the thread about them in the off topic section or better still in the bin. Only commented because it was a weird result. I won't say any more about it.
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Post by bluey7 on Oct 8, 2022 17:03:33 GMT
still not good enough dropping to many points , unbeaten in 8 but not many wins , gutted today hopefully win next week in the Cup and get some cash and then stenthen up the squad (it's needed )
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 8, 2022 17:04:08 GMT
Never easy when you're up against sides in the promotion hunt but there wasn't much in that today and a draw would have been a fairer reflection of the match.
We just seem to run out of ideas sometimes when we get the ball forward and resort to either aimless balls forward or passing it backwards. Not sure whether a lack of movement up front is the issue?
Nice to see a good away following, such things are depressingly rare nowadays.
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Post by oldblue72 on Oct 8, 2022 17:16:56 GMT
Defence was solid. Weeks star man for me . Roberts put a good shift in.Thought front 3 were below par. Would rather see a front two so Weeks can thread balls through.Last 10 minutes was frustrating where we tip tapped sideways instead of launching it into their box.Still unlucky not to score late on. Agree Coates would have made a difference. Overall we are a team lacking something in the final third - not got enough ammo to turn tight games into wins.
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Post by hopper on Oct 8, 2022 17:32:02 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. Strange comment. Murray caused problems and lynch tried everything to get the ball moving but had no movement. Do think Coates would have caused them problems though. Kevin roberts legs have gone, too many errors
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Post by paw2904 on Oct 8, 2022 17:43:03 GMT
A game we didn't deserve to lose, nor win. Freak goal for them. Lack of clinical finishing for us. I wonder how Zac Clark is doing at Runcorn. He has pace, directness, and skill. I'd bring him back and put him on the bench to sharpen the forwards up a bit. I remember Steve Watson did the same with him last season and he was impressive. He will also be very hungry for the opportunity. Clark rather than LMH.
I don't think that Coates would have been match fit enough, despite being on the bench.
A very disappointing result but I am still optimistic that with some luck we could move up the table and possibly, possibly, push for a play off spot.
As for Oldham next week. Despite their impressive history, Premier League etc, they are in the National League. A league we want to join asap. They drew away to Maidenhead today. We know who will take their corner kicks! They aren't a team to be in awe of. I doubt that they will be expecting 1,000+ raucous Chester fans. They are there for the taking. Another £9,000+ in the kitty and in the hat for the first round proper. COYB!
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Post by bagoftricks on Oct 8, 2022 19:11:12 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. Comments show lack of football knowledge. Players taken off needed to be managed just back from injury. Not sure why so many negatives. Best defensive display for 3 years. Darlo good team and likely to challenge for championship. Not at our best but nothing between the two teams. Ref probably suited them. Our manager showed passion and so did most of the players. Lots of moaning why we didn’t lump balls into the box, we would never win headers against that defence. Finally, we are short upfront of a big tall striker change. Weeks was brilliant and will get better. Keep the faith and in Calum we trust.
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Post by avfo on Oct 8, 2022 19:28:23 GMT
A game we didn't deserve to lose, nor win. Freak goal for them. Lack of clinical finishing for us. I wonder how Zac Clark is doing at Runcorn. He has pace, directness, and skill. I'd bring him back and put him on the bench to sharpen the forwards up a bit. I remember Steve Watson did the same with him last season and he was impressive. He will also be very hungry for the opportunity. Clark rather than LMH. I don't think that Coates would have been match fit enough, despite being on the bench. A very disappointing result but I am still optimistic that with some luck we could move up the table and possibly, possibly, push for a play off spot. As for Oldham next week. Despite their impressive history, Premier League etc, they are in the National League. A league we want to join asap. They drew away to Maidenhead today. We know who will take their corner kicks! They aren't a team to be in awe of. I doubt that they will be expecting 1,000+ raucous Chester fans. They are there for the taking. Another £9,000+ in the kitty and in the hat for the first round proper. COYB!
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Oct 8, 2022 19:31:14 GMT
The reality is From 2000 gates we should be competing at the top of this league. We are not granted nice cup away day to come . Yes we’ve been unlucky with injuries but our league position mirrors last season. Great stuff happening off the field but on it which is what counts is bordering on depressing. This league is there for the taking and is a shocking level of football Feel a bit deflated tonight
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 8, 2022 19:33:10 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. I thought Lynch was one of our better players when he come on but we're definitely a bit toothless in picking the lock between midfield and up front. He was. That Arthur weirdo just loves a scapegoat. He managed to get Dudley in, his original scapegoat for this year. He hates him.
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Post by sealking on Oct 8, 2022 19:35:14 GMT
We haven't really played well at hone this season, very slow and narrow and don't come to life until we go behind. Thought hall and devine had a bad game, and set pieces was woeful! Didn't deserve to lose but we wasn't no where good enough to win it
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Post by devachatter on Oct 8, 2022 19:50:45 GMT
I thought Lynch was one of our better players when he come on but we're definitely a bit toothless in picking the lock between midfield and up front. He was. That Arthur weirdo just loves a scapegoat. He managed to get Dudley in, his original scapegoat for this year. He hates him. Was going to say same thing soon as i seen him post i knew Dudley would be mentioned No matter how much Dudley tries he'll always be a scapegoat Sad to be honest
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Post by vandycandy on Oct 8, 2022 21:11:40 GMT
I thought Lynch was one of our better players when he come on but we're definitely a bit toothless in picking the lock between midfield and up front. He was. That Arthur weirdo just loves a scapegoat. He managed to get Dudley in, his original scapegoat for this year. He hates him. I don't think arthuro hates Dudley, he just realises that he isn't very good which is what a few of us have thought for a while. Nothing to do with being a scapegoat. Matter of opinion I guess.
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Post by rcb on Oct 8, 2022 21:41:39 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. Comments show lack of football knowledge. Players taken off needed to be managed just back from injury.Not sure why so many negatives. Best defensive display for 3 years. Darlo good team and likely to challenge for championship. Not at our best but nothing between the two teams. Ref probably suited them. Our manager showed passion and so did most of the players. Lots of moaning why we didn’t lump balls into the box, we would never win headers against that defence. Finally, we are short upfront of a big tall striker change. Weeks was brilliant and will get better. Keep the faith and in Calum we trust. Patronising response and totally missing the point. Very clear that the reference is in respect of the two players brought on, not the players taken off. Arthuro is of the opinion that Dudley and Lynch are Evo Stik standard.
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Post by Anders on Oct 9, 2022 0:13:01 GMT
Didn’t deserve to lose but we were very shot shy and didn’t work their keeper anywhere near enough, mind you Tyrer had a quiet afternoon as well. Had 0-0 written all over it unless something weird happened, which unfortunately did. I’ve come away from that game wondering about Weeks. We’ve just gone 8 unbeaten, he returns today and so did the sidewards stuff, in abundance. We were also much slower to get forward than usual. He looks great on the ball, tidy and really slick, but how effective is it? We get a free kick and he grabs the ball and rolls it to the next man to get the game going again, no ball in to the box with Kenyon and Burke often going up only to get caught upfield because what they were expecting doesn’t happen. Felt like every move forward had to involve him or it would be illegal as well. Not necessarily a criticism, but I’ve come away from the game with a curious mind about his impact considering what I’ve always thought before.
Felt like Devine only escaped being subbed because of his height (compared to Lynch & Murray) and strength. He's a good player but looks absolutely miles off his game at the moment for some reason.
Don’t know, just a feeling, but felt like every attack was over elaborate when at times someone could have pulled the trigger. We’re National North, Division Six.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 9, 2022 7:19:29 GMT
As usual, a good report from Anders.
I came away thinking the same regarding Weeks. I thought he was coming too deep to pick up the ball first half. I know he is the playmaker, but in a midfield containing Roberts and Devine, he needs to be the link to the forwards.
It maybe worth a thought as to how Glendon would also fit into this team. The chances are we would be even more elaborate. I'm in a small minority that thinks we may more effective without him. Or is that without Weeks? Or both?
After taking off Hall and Stephenson for Dudley and Murray, we ended up with less height and width. We worked the ball ok, but it meant we were reluctant to take chances and get it into the box. The quick free kicks from Weeks were a major issue from last season. We might not have won the headers from free kicks, but we could pick up second ball. Being direct at times does put teams under pressure as they don't always have time to get into shape.
The game was a draw unless something special happened. Two decent teams working really hard with and without the ball. We started really well and were on top, if we had scored early, we'd probably have won that. After that it was an even game. Kings Lynn and Darlo have shown the level of team at the top of this league.
Cal has got us well organised. The balance in midfield isn't quite right, but we've got more options now. It will come.
We don't have like for like replacements up front. Any substitution changes the style and the threat. That's a problem when you start with your strongest team,as you tend to weaken the team with the changes.
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Post by jimianto on Oct 9, 2022 7:57:43 GMT
Agreed - it seemed compulsory that everything had to go through Weeks. He was understandably rusty and consequently hit and miss. In terms of ball retention Devine is decent, but negative in the final third. Also he, Roberts and Weeks let players through the midfield far too easily yesterday. I thought Kenyon was MoM, but Burke did well with Beck for the most part. Darlo were a good side and Purver DM and Dodds RB were outstanding for them. I would like to see Burke back in DM for Oldham to shore up that loose midfield.
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Post by johny9 on Oct 9, 2022 8:26:58 GMT
I thought weeks did ok to be fair and clipped in a couple towards kurt that showed his quality & vision. We have passed it sideways and backwards in a lot of the games , last week in the cup the standout and weeks wasn’t on the pitch so harsh to blame him . He is our best midfielder by some way. I think it’s a lack of options out wide , either full backs not pushing on and overlapping or when hall or kurt have come out wide . I would like to see us get another winger who can get at players and deliver . Where was Thomas yesterday?
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Post by highpeakblue on Oct 9, 2022 8:38:54 GMT
Get Lewis Earl this team and it works.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 9, 2022 9:39:51 GMT
Get Lewis Earl this team and it works. Yes. If he's as good as the glimpses showed he might be, that's a good shout.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 9:49:52 GMT
Didn't deserve to lose, didn't do enough to win yesterday - very similar to the Hereford game earlier on.
Felt like we had a good opening spell in the first twenty minutes, lots of territory but no end product.
Weeks makes such a difference to this team, his ability to receive the ball in between the lines, take it on the half turn and run at teams is what we have been missing.
Thought one of the biggest differences yesterday was between Hall and Beck - the ball sticks to Beck or he wins a flick on. Hall is still very raw
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Post by arthuro on Oct 9, 2022 10:06:58 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. Weeks and Hall were never going to play a full 90 today, Weeks especially. Coates only making numbers up today on the bench. Lynch did well when he got on. Thought you’d been permanently banned after your 496th suspension? If true that Coates was only making up the numbers then that’s concerning especially when we have the likes of Heywood and Turner out on loan who could take a place on the bench and be around the squad and be ready to come on.
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Post by billyw on Oct 9, 2022 11:16:49 GMT
Weeks and Hall were never going to play a full 90 today, Weeks especially. Coates only making numbers up today on the bench. Lynch did well when he got on. Thought you’d been permanently banned after your 496th suspension? If true that Coates was only making up the numbers then that’s concerning especially when we have the likes of Heywood and Turner out on loan who could take a place on the bench and be around the squad and be ready to come on. He wasn’t making up the numbers, Coates was coming on yesterday but Calum changed his mind and put on Murray. Thomas was in the stand.
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Post by Jack on Oct 9, 2022 12:44:10 GMT
I didn't think we played badly or there was anything between the sides at all. It was almost deja vu to the Hereford game. I thought Cal was spot on in his post-match interview by not calling it another hard luck story - he was quite blunt in saying we need to do more at home and he's clearly right. We can't keep coming out on the losing side of tight games because that's how we'll end up rooted in mid table again.
It was a million times better than last Saturday against Hanley. There was more of a purpose and I thought Weeks was excellent in getting us playing forward. I'm surprised to see people say he held us back, I saw it as the complete opposite.
Darlo surprised me in that they were clearly happy with a point - they sat back in numbers for a good part of the game and their goal was an absolute fluke. That said, they defended the space well and clearly had some quality on the ball. Their number 9, who got involved the spat, was literally playing as a full back for the almost the entire game. In that kind of game, we had to be so crisp and accurate and I thought our quality was lacking. Willoughby was the prime example - he's been excellent this season but he just wasn't bang at it yesterday, he had a few moments and half sights of goal that he'd normally bury.
It's clear we need to do more at home. Whether that's more intent from the full backs or more movement from the front players, I'm not sure but we definitely look a really solid side who are going to pick up points away from home - the issue is going to be at the Deva.
Still loads to be positive about - we're talking minor tweaks rather than major surgery.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 9, 2022 13:32:25 GMT
Get Lewis Earl this team and it works. well as Earle is a long term injury pretty stupid statement
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Post by loskasleftfoot on Oct 9, 2022 13:32:57 GMT
It takes us 85 minutes to really have a go at teams - so frustrating. We don't attack as a unit. Morgan had a good few excursions down the right flank but to be effective he needed support from one or two others overlapping and/or covering him. He inevitiably ended up isolated and either played a poor cross, lost possession or played the ball back 40 yards
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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 9, 2022 13:36:48 GMT
The subs killed any chance of getting back in the game. Taking off our most creative players and bringing on Evo Stik standard players like Dudley and Lynch ended any chances of getting something from the game. Instead of bringing of Coates on to bomb forward we end up with Lynch passing everything backwards. Devine has also been found out as well. what a stupid thing to say about lynch come on looked a handful not an Evo stick player with Dudley yes I'm not his biggest fan by any means and perhaps he was one that should of moved on but he is far better than Evo stick
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Post by highpeakblue on Oct 9, 2022 13:41:08 GMT
Get Lewis Earl this team and it works. well as Earle is a long term injury pretty stupid statement I don't need an agressive lecture from you, I know what I mean. If Lewis Earl was fit then this team would be much more complete. It isn't hard to understand.
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Post by beavis on Oct 9, 2022 14:03:47 GMT
I wrote this after the Flyde game a few weeks ago - Anyone who has watched Cals youth teams against higher clubs will see how dogged and defensive his teams are, generally winning with a set piece or on the counter attack, it feels that's how we're set up now but without the outlet for the counter attack.
Its his style and philosophy, which in fairness has worked well away from home. The problem is that on such a massive pitch at home its very difficult for us to go from being compact and narrow to being expansive and aggressive, again, its just not his way.
Most seem to be ok with where we're currently at, I think that's to do with us still being in the cup with something exciting on the horizon. But for me, I can't see where the extra training time is showing in performances as its very boring to watch at the moment and we only seem to spring into life once we're chasing a game or its towards the end of the game when we're drawing.
Having said all the above, I can't wait for next week.
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Post by whitey on Oct 9, 2022 22:01:50 GMT
Just my humble opinion but think with the current players we have available we'd be better in a 5-3-2, as we currently set up our forwards are miles away from each other. Get Hall and Willoughby closer together with wing backs bombing on.
Tyrer
Burke Kenyon Williams
Coates Coulton
Devine Weeks Lynch
Hall Willoughby
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