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Post by rcm on Jan 16, 2023 13:05:30 GMT
I was hoping for more from Lynch on Saturday with Weeks being out, you can see he has good ability on the ball, neat and tidy but his style looks very risk averse, meaning he would rather pass backwards and keep the ball than try and find a ‘risker’ pass to a forward player. He saw as much of the ball as Weeks would have in the first half but from my memory, he didn’t create one attack. People are going in on Dudley, I can see why as it was a game that nothing seemed to happen from him, his end product wasn’t there, but he was putting himself about (which I have noticed more from him this season), especially against their holding midfielder. For his first game back as with Burke I think they did ok. Thomas is my concern, he is the only player in the squad this season who has not made an impact yet, when he has started I don’t think he has managed better than a 6/10 score for me, when coming off the bench cannot think of a game he has made an impact on. Is he just a bench warmer for us is the question I have? I know are expectations are being raised this season but let’s remember our manager is learning on the Job and he needs to go through these situations to improve his knowledge and experience to help us move forward on the pitch (which I do believe he is doing). If there is one tip I would give Calum, its stop being so bloody honest in his interviews, its great most of the time like at the start of the season telling us about the improvements and what the players are doing, but in the build up to this game he was giving the ammunition to the haters if we didn’t win by promising a different approach. In future he just needs to tell us ‘we are working extra hard in training to put right our home form’ then he is putting no extra pressure on himself. He is doing a really good job and even if we do fall away bit on a sticky run he needs to understand he has the fanbases full backing in the job he is doing. I said at the start of the season if we are in sight of the play-offs in January, we will be doing well with something to aim for and nothing for me has changed from that. Key injuries will really impact our small squad, we do need a big slice of luck from the footballing gods us to be part of them.
Its rollercoaster being a Chester fan, always has been, but the difference this year over the last few is i'm enjoying the ride and looking forward to our games (win, lose or draw).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 13:20:53 GMT
Peers is much better than any of our forwards apart from Kurt! Kenyon is finished, his legs have gone! Headers on for corners, Jesus he's a defender that just hoofs it! Burke is not a midfielder, he's just not. Murray, Devine and Lynch will not progress us up this league. We're set up to defend and don't know what to do going forward. Just my opinion In conclusion, their second best forward isn't as good as our best forward to the the tune of 7 goals and has scored 1 more goal than Dudley. Our Best striker has scored more than both Curzons top scoring forwards put together. Kenyon doesn't have much pace which must come as a shock to a player who's never had much to begin with an is in the team due to injury. He's finished apart from setting up both goals on Saturday. Burke is Defender he just is, but when you have 4 midfielders unavailable you have to play someone there. You can't play Kenyon there because he is finished, his legs have gone! Murray, Devine and Lynch are not as good as the four midfielders we have unavailable for selection. Seems silly to not have 7 top class midfielders on the books for these sort of moments. We don't know what to do going forward but somehow we are 4th top scorers in the league. We are 4 points off top, 6th in the league and have lost 1 game in 29 matches. We've not lost a game by more than 1 goal all season, find a way to get points when putting bad performances. Just some facts not opinions.
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Post by Anders on Jan 16, 2023 13:47:38 GMT
I was hoping for more from Lynch on Saturday with Weeks being out, you can see he has good ability on the ball, neat and tidy but his style looks very risk averse, meaning he would rather pass backwards and keep the ball than try and find a ‘risker’ pass to a forward player. He saw as much of the ball as Weeks would have in the first half but from my memory, he didn’t create one attack. People are going in on Dudley, I can see why as it was a game that nothing seemed to happen from him, his end product wasn’t there, but he was putting himself about (which I have noticed more from him this season), especially against their holding midfielder. For his first game back as with Burke I think they did ok. Thomas is my concern, he is the only player in the squad this season who has not made an impact yet, when he has started I don’t think he has managed better than a 6/10 score for me, when coming off the bench cannot think of a game he has made an impact on. Is he just a bench warmer for us is the question I have?I know are expectations are being raised this season but let’s remember our manager is learning on the Job and he needs to go through these situations to improve his knowledge and experience to help us move forward on the pitch (which I do believe he is doing). If there is one tip I would give Calum, its stop being so bloody honest in his interviews, its great most of the time like at the start of the season telling us about the improvements and what the players are doing, but in the build up to this game he was giving the ammunition to the haters if we didn’t win by promising a different approach. In future he just needs to tell us ‘we are working extra hard in training to put right our home form’ then he is putting no extra pressure on himself. He is doing a really good job and even if we do fall away bit on a sticky run he needs to understand he has the fanbases full backing in the job he is doing. I said at the start of the season if we are in sight of the play-offs in January, we will be doing well with something to aim for and nothing for me has changed from that. Key injuries will really impact our small squad, we do need a big slice of luck from the footballing gods us to be part of them. Its rollercoaster being a Chester fan, always has been, but the difference this year over the last few is i'm enjoying the ride and looking forward to our games (win, lose or draw). Thomas has made an impact in away games though? scoring against Peterborough (had another disgracefully ruled out), scored against Chorley, assist for the Banbury equaliser and he got an assist for the equaliser against Telford here the other week. That despite not getting many minutes and barely anything at all at home. We lack width at home, Thomas puts a good quality ball in to the box, we’ve seen that on our travels. Something has to change at home so definitely worth more of a go.
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Post by rcm on Jan 16, 2023 14:42:53 GMT
Anders, you may be right, i haven't managed to get to many away games this season. I'm just going off what i have seen, for me of the current squad he is the player i want to see produce more, even if he is an impact player coming from the bench.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2023 17:08:23 GMT
Peers is much better than any of our forwards apart from Kurt! Kenyon is finished, his legs have gone! Headers on for corners, Jesus he's a defender that just hoofs it! Burke is not a midfielder, he's just not. Murray, Devine and Lynch will not progress us up this league. We're set up to defend and don't know what to do going forward. Just my opinion In conclusion, their second best forward isn't as good as our best forward to the the tune of 7 goals and has scored 1 more goal than Dudley. Our Best striker has scored more than both Curzons top scoring forwards put together. Kenyon doesn't have much pace which must come as a shock to a player who's never had much to begin with an is in the team due to injury. He's finished apart from setting up both goals on Saturday. Burke is Defender he just is, but when you have 4 midfielders unavailable you have to play someone there. You can't play Kenyon there because he is finished, his legs have gone! Murray, Devine and Lynch are not as good as the four midfielders we have unavailable for selection. Seems silly to not have 7 top class midfielders on the books for these sort of moments. We don't know what to do going forward but somehow we are 4th top scorers in the league. We are 4 points off top, 6th in the league and have lost 1 game in 29 matches. We've not lost a game by more than 1 goal all season, find a way to get points when putting bad performances. Just some facts not opinions. Hi Calum
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Post by highpeakblue on Jan 16, 2023 18:17:00 GMT
In conclusion, their second best forward isn't as good as our best forward to the the tune of 7 goals and has scored 1 more goal than Dudley. Our Best striker has scored more than both Curzons top scoring forwards put together. Kenyon doesn't have much pace which must come as a shock to a player who's never had much to begin with an is in the team due to injury. He's finished apart from setting up both goals on Saturday. Burke is Defender he just is, but when you have 4 midfielders unavailable you have to play someone there. You can't play Kenyon there because he is finished, his legs have gone! Murray, Devine and Lynch are not as good as the four midfielders we have unavailable for selection. Seems silly to not have 7 top class midfielders on the books for these sort of moments. We don't know what to do going forward but somehow we are 4th top scorers in the league. We are 4 points off top, 6th in the league and have lost 1 game in 29 matches. We've not lost a game by more than 1 goal all season, find a way to get points when putting bad performances. Just some facts not opinions. Hi Calum I don't care who he is, he's right.
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Post by glanaber1 on Jan 17, 2023 10:25:15 GMT
Mahon should never of left imo .Sadly the previous Managers didn't have a clue about real talent Mahon was the best we had and let go
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2023 12:25:34 GMT
Mahon had far more average/poor games for us than good ones. He didn't play like Barnsley away very often!
I seem to remember he had a good spell when B&J first took over, and basically blamed Bignot for his poor form the season before, but then he gradually became largely ineffective again.
Great servant to the club but I actually think he should've left a good season or two before he did.
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Post by rcb on Jan 17, 2023 12:55:49 GMT
Mahon had far more average/poor games for us than good ones. He didn't play like Barnsley away very often! I seem to remember he had a good spell when B&J first took over, and basically blamed Bignot for his poor form the season before, but then he gradually became largely ineffective again. Great servant to the club but I actually think he should've left a good season or two before he did. Totally agree. However, the intention would have been to replace him with someone better and I don’t think that has happened. Sadly I think we have lost National League mentality and replaced it with National League North mentality. Obviously it’s predominantly a financial situation and the increased crowds suggest local people are becoming accepting of the club’s situation. At least fan owned permits the club to exist at whatever level it’s finances permit. If that’s what the population of the city want, then fine.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2023 13:25:18 GMT
Mahon had far more average/poor games for us than good ones. He didn't play like Barnsley away very often! I seem to remember he had a good spell when B&J first took over, and basically blamed Bignot for his poor form the season before, but then he gradually became largely ineffective again. Great servant to the club but I actually think he should've left a good season or two before he did. Totally agree. However, the intention would have been to replace him with someone better and I don’t think that has happened. Sadly I think we have lost National League mentality and replaced it with National League North mentality. Obviously it’s predominantly a financial situation and the increased crowds suggest local people are becoming accepting of the club’s situation. At least fan owned permits the club to exist at whatever level it’s finances permit. If that’s what the population of the city want, then fine. I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 17, 2023 15:17:35 GMT
Mahon was a great servant and brilliant on his day, but he left at the right time. Nice touch not celebrating on Saturday too. Good man, Craig Mahon is.
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Post by agl on Jan 17, 2023 16:18:49 GMT
Totally agree. However, the intention would have been to replace him with someone better and I don’t think that has happened. Sadly I think we have lost National League mentality and replaced it with National League North mentality. Obviously it’s predominantly a financial situation and the increased crowds suggest local people are becoming accepting of the club’s situation. At least fan owned permits the club to exist at whatever level it’s finances permit. If that’s what the population of the city want, then fine. I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation. To me it feels a bit like the season where we had Asante and really should have done better. Arguably now we also have one of the top three forwards in our league, and it's inevitable Willoughby will move on sooner or (hopefully) later. I have a feeling this might be our best opportunity to have a real tilt at promotion but there's a risk we are going to squander it, due to poor home form.
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Post by rcb on Jan 17, 2023 16:53:07 GMT
Totally agree. However, the intention would have been to replace him with someone better and I don’t think that has happened. Sadly I think we have lost National League mentality and replaced it with National League North mentality. Obviously it’s predominantly a financial situation and the increased crowds suggest local people are becoming accepting of the club’s situation. At least fan owned permits the club to exist at whatever level it’s finances permit. If that’s what the population of the city want, then fine. I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation. You can’t say ‘are’ with certainty, that’s just an interpretation. Regardless, most people will have preference for winning ways. How strange that you see being close to the top of this league as stagnation.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation. You can’t say ‘are’ with certainty, that’s just an interpretation. Regardless, most people will have preference for winning ways. How strange that you see being close to the top of this league as stagnation. Not sure you understood me. Never mind.
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Post by hughdemann on Jan 17, 2023 17:41:02 GMT
A couple of points to make.
Not sure why Thomas isn't getting much of a chance, he had a cracking game for Curzon at our place 21/22 season, scoring twice if i recall correctly, if he is injury prone, fair enough.
Missiles being thrown from Harry Mac needs nipping in the bud, it happens too often, though i watched a few old games last night on youtube, and i think when we beat Wrexham 3-2 at our place, and Wrexham got awarded a penalty it happened then.
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Post by beavis on Jan 17, 2023 17:44:34 GMT
I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation. To me it feels a bit like the season where we had Asante and really should have done better. Arguably now we also have one of the top three forwards in our league, and it's inevitable Willoughby will move on sooner or (hopefully) later. I have a feeling this might be our best opportunity to have a real tilt at promotion but there's a risk we are going to squander it, due to poor home form.
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 17, 2023 18:23:07 GMT
To me it feels a bit like the season where we had Asante and really should have done better. Arguably now we also have one of the top three forwards in our league, and it's inevitable Willoughby will move on sooner or (hopefully) later. I have a feeling this might be our best opportunity to have a real tilt at promotion but there's a risk we are going to squander it, due to poor home form.
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott. Wouldn’t say Elliott was a star player. Bang average for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 18:40:43 GMT
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott. Wouldn’t say Elliott was a star player. Bang average for us. Swear he only scores pens as well. Not a patch on Kurt
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Post by Curva Nord on Jan 17, 2023 19:24:04 GMT
I think that's a peculiar attitude to take in what's been a positive season where we have a real chance of promotion, if we can sort the home form out. The improved crowds are because people are recognising the improvement, not because they're accepting stagnation. You can’t say ‘are’ with certainty, that’s just an interpretation. Regardless, most people will have preference for winning ways. How strange that you see being close to the top of this league as stagnation. All the years I have been going, Chester near the top resulted in big crowds and lock outs in some cases, for the rest of it, unless it was a big game or fans were protesting we were at a steady 2000, BJ took us down too 1500
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Post by agl on Jan 17, 2023 19:36:34 GMT
To me it feels a bit like the season where we had Asante and really should have done better. Arguably now we also have one of the top three forwards in our league, and it's inevitable Willoughby will move on sooner or (hopefully) later. I have a feeling this might be our best opportunity to have a real tilt at promotion but there's a risk we are going to squander it, due to poor home form.
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott. I wouldn't put Jackson or Elliott in the same category as Asante or Willoughby. The latter are players that come along once every five to ten years and get you 20 goals a season. Basically the difference between mid table and top three. Back in the day I remember watching a young Ian Rush...he did fuck all but pop up and score winners.
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Post by beavis on Jan 17, 2023 19:57:17 GMT
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott. Wouldn’t say Elliott was a star player. Bang average for us. I totally agree, he was top scorer when he left and went onto score 30 odd goals last season for Boston, but for us he wasn't particularly great. I was using him alongside Asante as being a top scorer for us that we lost for nothing, would hate to see that again especially with KW.
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Post by beavis on Jan 17, 2023 20:00:38 GMT
That was the season that was ended early due to the lockdown. By the time we played Alty in the playoffs in July he'd already signed for Gloucester. I concur though, it would be nice to keep hold of our star player for a change rather than lose them for free ala Asante, Jackson and Elliott. I wouldn't put Jackson or Elliott in the same category as Asante or Willoughby. The latter are players that come along once every five to ten years and get you 20 goals a season. Basically the difference between mid table and top three. Back in the day I remember watching a young Ian Rush...he did fuck all but pop up and score winners. Jackson was excellent for us, he was also named in the squad of the decade to back up that point. It was scandalous we lost him for free. But again, I agree, he can't be compared to AA or KW as they're match winners and the type that win you promotion. Who knows what would have happened in those play offs had we had Asante with us instead of George Waring.
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Post by agl on Jan 17, 2023 20:10:32 GMT
Wouldn’t say Elliott was a star player. Bang average for us. Swear he only scores pens as well. Not a patch on Kurt Yes, when Elliott left us it was greeted with a few shrugs of the shoulders. I know there a few on here who rated him but I never saw much. He did well at Boston but not really kicked on.
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Post by beavis on Jan 17, 2023 20:16:27 GMT
You can’t say ‘are’ with certainty, that’s just an interpretation. Regardless, most people will have preference for winning ways. How strange that you see being close to the top of this league as stagnation. All the years I have been going, Chester near the top resulted in big crowds and lock outs in some cases, for the rest of it, unless it was a big game or fans were protesting we were at a steady 2000, BJ took us down too 1500 We're actually averaging slightly less than B+J second season. The below shows we have a very steady 2000ish supporters, and even during poor performance seasons ie 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2022 we still pull in at least 1,700. Not bad at all. 2010 - 1,161 - Conf - Last season as CCFC 2011 - 2,382 - 1st in Uni 1 2012 - 2,789 - 1st in Uni Prem 2013 - 2,582 - 1st in Conf N 2014 - 2,366 - 21st in Conf 2015 - 2,189 - 12th in NL 2016 - 2,199 - 17th in NL 2017 - 2,031 - 19th in NL 2018 - 1,827 - 23rd in NL 2019 - 1,839 - 9th in NLN 2020 - 2,089 - 6th in NLN 2022 - 1,691 - 16th NLN 2023 - 2,058 - 6th in NLN We've averaged 2,170 since reformation.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2023 20:37:15 GMT
All the years I have been going, Chester near the top resulted in big crowds and lock outs in some cases, for the rest of it, unless it was a big game or fans were protesting we were at a steady 2000, BJ took us down too 1500 We're actually averaging slightly less than B+J second season. The below shows we have a very steady 2000ish supporters, and even during poor performance seasons ie 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2022 we still pull in at least 1,700. Not bad at all. 2010 - 1,161 - Conf - Last season as CCFC 2011 - 2,382 - 1st in Uni 1 2012 - 2,789 - 1st in Uni Prem 2013 - 2,582 - 1st in Conf N 2014 - 2,366 - 21st in Conf 2015 - 2,189 - 12th in NL 2016 - 2,199 - 17th in NL 2017 - 2,031 - 19th in NL 2018 - 1,827 - 23rd in NL 2019 - 1,839 - 9th in NLN 2020 - 2,089 - 6th in NLN 2022 - 1,691 - 16th NLN 2023 - 2,058 - 6th in NLN We've averaged 2,170 since reformation. Worth pointing out that in 2017/18, the Wrexham and Tranmere games attracted over 7,000 between them, boosting our gates significantly. It's frightening to think we had an attendance as low as 754 that season.
Given that we haven't played either of those two since, I actually think our gates since dropping down to this league are quite encouraging.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 18, 2023 18:19:57 GMT
Also remember that in 1980, just six years after the "Leeds game", we were struggling to get 1000 at Sealand Road.
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Post by Churton Blue on Jan 18, 2023 19:43:58 GMT
Season 81-82 on September 5th 1,798 turned up for our first home game against Swindon in the third tier of the football league. By the time we played Fulham on May 5th it was down to 1,178. Mind you of our last 17 matches we recorded 2 draws and 15 defeats.
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Post by boughtonblue on Jan 18, 2023 23:02:56 GMT
Season 81-82 on September 5th 1,798 turned up for our first home game against Swindon in the third tier of the football league. By the time we played Fulham on May 5th it was down to 1,178. Mind you of our last 17 matches we recorded 2 draws and 15 defeats. Was that the year Bristol City and us were competing to see who could get relegated first?
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Post by Churton Blue on Jan 18, 2023 23:17:16 GMT
Season 81-82 on September 5th 1,798 turned up for our first home game against Swindon in the third tier of the football league. By the time we played Fulham on May 5th it was down to 1,178. Mind you of our last 17 matches we recorded 2 draws and 15 defeats. Was that the year Bristol City and us were competing to see who could get relegated first? Yes it was. They finished 14 points ahead of us so not sure you can call it competing.
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Post by bing on Jan 19, 2023 8:47:12 GMT
Also remember that in 1980, just six years after the "Leeds game", we were struggling to get 1000 at Sealand Road. Bit too young to remember, but were there other factors at play for these low attendances? Freezing weather etc? There was a recession around then which probably didn't help. They seem extraordinarily low, even accounting for poor performances.
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