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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 14, 2019 17:43:18 GMT
I would be interested if you could outline what you believe to be "offering the country a convincing alternative to the mess the Tories have made" if Labour's manifesto isn't? We've had this debate countless times. Everyone agrees about the Tories on Brexit. The Corbyn circus think he's been spot on whereas the rest of the country have found him confused and deliberately unclear. As said previously, the Tories were in such a mess in the 90s it was inevitible they weren't forming the next goverment in 1997. Today however it's a massive failure of Labour that, in the backdrop of May & Johnson leadership, they'll get nowhere near even a small majority when the next GE takes place. All that said I'm appreciating your new approach to adult debating. Comparing 2019 with 1997 is like comparing apples with oranges as when Blair won there was no Brexit overshadowing everything else. Rightly or wrongly a huge section of society cannot see beyond the EU Referendum. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 14, 2019 18:11:20 GMT
We've had this debate countless times. Everyone agrees about the Tories on Brexit. The Corbyn circus think he's been spot on whereas the rest of the country have found him confused and deliberately unclear. As said previously, the Tories were in such a mess in the 90s it was inevitible they weren't forming the next goverment in 1997. Today however it's a massive failure of Labour that, in the backdrop of May & Johnson leadership, they'll get nowhere near even a small majority when the next GE takes place. All that said I'm appreciating your new approach to adult debating. Comparing 2019 with 1997 is like comparing apples with oranges as when Blair won there was no Brexit overshadowing everything else. Rightly or wrongly a huge section of society cannot see beyond the EU Referendum. So you're saying Brexit is the only reason Labour won't win a majority? Interesting! |
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 14, 2019 18:12:21 GMT
Comparing 2019 with 1997 is like comparing apples with oranges as when Blair won there was no Brexit overshadowing everything else. Rightly or wrongly a huge section of society cannot see beyond the EU Referendum. So you're saying Brexit is the only reason Labour won't win a majority? Interesting! Where did I say Labour won’t win a majority? |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 14, 2019 18:15:28 GMT
So you're saying Brexit is the only reason Labour won't win a majority? Interesting! Where did I say Labour won’t win a majority? You didn't sound like you thought they would either!! |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 14, 2019 21:39:31 GMT
I would be interested if you could outline what you believe to be "offering the country a convincing alternative to the mess the Tories have made" if Labour's manifesto isn't? We've had this debate countless times. Everyone agrees about the Tories on Brexit. The Corbyn circus think he's been spot on whereas the rest of the country have found him confused and deliberately unclear. As said previously, the Tories were in such a mess in the 90s it was inevitible they weren't forming the next goverment in 1997. Today however it's a massive failure of Labour that, in the backdrop of May & Johnson leadership, they'll get nowhere near even a small majority when the next GE takes place. All that said I'm appreciating your new approach to adult debating. Fair enough but it never really goes beyond Brexit. Most of your posts on the football chat I enjoy, we just disagree politically. But I would be genuinely interested to know what sort of convincing alternative you'd like to see aside from Brexit policy. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Oct 15, 2019 8:50:25 GMT
I think his point is that after 3 years of utter chaos, it should not be the opposition who are terrified of a General Election. Even if you don't agree JC doesn't want a GE (i think he personally does, his party holding him back) the fact that this is the worst government in my recollection is actually willing to go to the polls should be concerning
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 15, 2019 9:22:24 GMT
I think his point is that after 3 years of utter chaos, it should not be the opposition who are terrified of a General Election. Even if you don't agree JC doesn't want a GE (i think he personally does, his party holding him back) the fact that this is the worst government in my recollection is actually willing to go to the polls should be concerning Precisely. Brexit or no Brexit, you'd think an opposition would be desperate to take on this joke of a government as soon as possible and in that event would be very likely to defeat them. Extraordinarily, neither of those things seem to be true. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 15, 2019 11:26:27 GMT
It’s been made blindingly clear that as soon as the threat of a damaging “No Deal” is removed, Labour would immediately accept a GE.
This whole idea that Boris Johnson being unable to get an election is Jeremy Corbyn’s problem is just bizarre. If the Prime Minister can’t command enough support in the house to do anything, he or she usually resigns.
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Post by Ian H Block on Oct 15, 2019 13:29:10 GMT
It’s quite disturbing how much people buy into the Tory narrative as to where we are now politically. Nobody is running scared of an Election, it’s just that the HoC has zero trust in Johnson and his administration not to throw the country under a bus, a shameful state of affairs.
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