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Post by hblockfan on Mar 27, 2024 14:40:12 GMT
If we fail to get a play off place? Questions have to be asked of Cal Mac. Nice fella, hes a Chester fan loves the city and our football club our community etc but is it really such a big job for him to manage within our expectations as a club moving forward. We all want the best for this football in terms of moving forward to the national league and the football league in the future it will take time and money but this league should be a walk in the park with the squad we have had under Cal so far. I think in my honest opinion we need a more experienced manager in the esk of a John Askey, Keith Hill, type of manager yes it would take money for that to happen. I'm all for a boost the budget, crowd funder to make something like this possible for the future if we still continue to fail our expectations under Cal. Yes I know we have no real goal scoring striker this season like we have had in Willoughby last season but we have failed this season in trying to find that this season in the players we have tried to use in that role. We might have to see whats what at the end of this season if its a failed attempt but questions have to be asked as we have been dire in front of gone and a loss of a winning mentality, tactics, systems, set pieces, styles of play etc have to be questioned this season. We all really want it to work out here for Cal but sadly it doesnt seem to be working out like what we would have all hoped for. I hope I'm proved wrong like many who are unhappy at the moment guess we have to keep up the faith and continue this season hopefully starting with a win at Buxton and a nice winning run to end the season in the play offs.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Mar 27, 2024 14:44:12 GMT
Another thread about the same thing being discussed on multiple other threads. Suggest you fan the flames on one of them.
Also.
Yawn.
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Post by Moltisanti on Mar 27, 2024 14:57:57 GMT
If we fail to get a play off place? Questions have to be asked of Cal Mac. Nice fella, hes a Chester fan loves the city and our football club our community etc but is it really such a big job for him to manage within our expectations as a club moving forward. We all want the best for this football in terms of moving forward to the national league and the football league in the future it will take time and money but this league should be a walk in the park with the squad we have had under Cal so far. I think in my honest opinion we need a more experienced manager in the esk of a John Askey, Keith Hill, type of manager yes it would take money for that to happen. I'm all for a boost the budget, crowd funder to make something like this possible for the future if we still continue to fail our expectations under Cal. Yes I know we have no real goal scoring striker this season like we have had in Willoughby last season but we have failed this season in trying to find that this season in the players we have tried to use in that role. We might have to see whats what at the end of this season if its a failed attempt but questions have to be asked as we have been dire in front of gone and a loss of a winning mentality, tactics, systems, set pieces, styles of play etc have to be questioned this season. We all really want it to work out here for Cal but sadly it doesnt seem to be working out like what we would have all hoped for. I hope I'm proved wrong like many who are unhappy at the moment guess we have to keep up the faith and continue this season hopefully starting with a win at Buxton and a nice winning run to end the season in the play offs. PARKLIFE
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Post by hblockfan on Mar 27, 2024 15:20:09 GMT
If we fail to get a play off place? Questions have to be asked of Cal Mac. Nice fella, hes a Chester fan loves the city and our football club our community etc but is it really such a big job for him to manage within our expectations as a club moving forward. We all want the best for this football in terms of moving forward to the national league and the football league in the future it will take time and money but this league should be a walk in the park with the squad we have had under Cal so far. I think in my honest opinion we need a more experienced manager in the esk of a John Askey, Keith Hill, type of manager yes it would take money for that to happen. I'm all for a boost the budget, crowd funder to make something like this possible for the future if we still continue to fail our expectations under Cal. Yes I know we have no real goal scoring striker this season like we have had in Willoughby last season but we have failed this season in trying to find that this season in the players we have tried to use in that role. We might have to see whats what at the end of this season if its a failed attempt but questions have to be asked as we have been dire in front of gone and a loss of a winning mentality, tactics, systems, set pieces, styles of play etc have to be questioned this season. We all really want it to work out here for Cal but sadly it doesnt seem to be working out like what we would have all hoped for. I hope I'm proved wrong like many who are unhappy at the moment guess we have to keep up the faith and continue this season hopefully starting with a win at Buxton and a nice winning run to end the season in the play offs. PARKLIFE GOAT
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Post by milnerisgod on Mar 27, 2024 15:41:13 GMT
FFS how many 'new' members spouting the same old shite in a matter of days!
Cal's got a further two years on his contract, so any 'Boost the Budget' or 'Crowd Funder' would need to go towards paying him off, before we consider whether the likes of Klopp or Arteta fancy the challenge.
Rather than asking Cal to manage within your expectations, maybe look at managing your own expectations if you think this league should be a walk in the park. There's plenty of Scunthorpe fans can vouch otherwise.
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Post by tooth on Mar 27, 2024 16:05:55 GMT
If we fail to get a play off place? Questions have to be asked of Cal Mac. Nice fella, hes a Chester fan loves the city and our football club our community etc but is it really such a big job for him to manage within our expectations as a club moving forward. We all want the best for this football in terms of moving forward to the national league and the football league in the future it will take time and money but this league should be a walk in the park with the squad we have had under Cal so far. I think in my honest opinion we need a more experienced manager in the esk of a John Askey, Keith Hill, type of manager yes it would take money for that to happen. I'm all for a boost the budget, crowd funder to make something like this possible for the future if we still continue to fail our expectations under Cal. Yes I know we have no real goal scoring striker this season like we have had in Willoughby last season but we have failed this season in trying to find that this season in the players we have tried to use in that role. We might have to see whats what at the end of this season if its a failed attempt but questions have to be asked as we have been dire in front of gone and a loss of a winning mentality, tactics, systems, set pieces, styles of play etc have to be questioned this season. We all really want it to work out here for Cal but sadly it doesnt seem to be working out like what we would have all hoped for. I hope I'm proved wrong like many who are unhappy at the moment guess we have to keep up the faith and continue this season hopefully starting with a win at Buxton and a nice winning run to end the season in the play offs. who the fuck are we going to get then
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Post by chesterken on Mar 27, 2024 16:16:05 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up.
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Post by noddy on Mar 27, 2024 16:24:51 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up. That is the point Ken, will lessons have been learnt? I'd like to think so but pride or stubbornness might be a factor. Regardless we still have Caton and Peers contracted for next season, unless a bid comes in that pays off eithers contract so we have to find away that plays to their strengths system wise as it's clearly not worked this season.
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Post by milnerisgod on Mar 27, 2024 16:27:23 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up. Agreed. IF we fail to make the play-offs, then IMHO Cal would have had one season where he's over achieved, one where he's under achieved. For a young manager, I think there's a lot more to be learned from the latter. I'd 100% rather back Cal to learn from a disappointing season, than somehow try to find the money to pay off his 2-year contract and search for somebody else to do the job on any money left over. FWIW - Even if Cal's contract was up this summer and the pay-off wasn't an issue, I'd still back him to take us into next season.
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Post by chesterken on Mar 27, 2024 16:43:18 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up. That is the point Ken, will lessons have been learnt? I'd like to think so but pride or stubbornness might be a factor. Regardless we still have Caton and Peers contracted for next season, unless a bid comes in that pays off eithers contract so we have to find away that plays to their strengths system wise as it's clearly not worked this season. The thing is we would have to spend a fair bit to sack Cal then offer the new man at least a two year deal to get someone of any note to take the job, and we still wouldn’t have any guarantees that someone else could do any better. That would be a fair chunk of next years buget spent before we even start to think about players and contracts.
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Post by yossergolf on Mar 27, 2024 16:45:31 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up. Agreed. IF we fail to make the play-offs, then IMHO Cal would have had one season where he's over achieved, one where he's under achieved. For a young manager, I think there's a lot more to be learned from the latter. I'd 100% rather back Cal to learn from a disappointing season, than somehow try to find the money to pay off his 2-year contract and search for somebody else to do the job on any money left over. FWIW - Even if Cal's contract was up this summer and the pay-off wasn't an issue, I'd still back him to take us into next season. Agree that we need to stick with Cal. He is now in his 3rd full season of management and he will look back over that time I’m sure. He is Chester through and through and if he believes he can keep improving us then I’m sure he would stay. If he loses that belief then I could see him resigning. For me and probably most fans we want him to stay but he does need to look at the style of football we play as entertainment brings and keeps fans on board. The past season has not been great in terms of entertainment.
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Post by muchwenlock on Mar 27, 2024 17:17:02 GMT
Questions do need to be asked at the right time . Recruitment this season has been largely poorer than last season, why was another left sided defender brought in late in the season when struggling to score goals ? Tactics etc all need to be looked at but come 3pm Friday 100% focus on supporting the lads on the pitch for sure COYB !!!!!
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 27, 2024 17:30:58 GMT
For me if we don’t make the playoffs or we make them and lose we should go again next season with Cal in charge, but lessons have got to be learnt and would hope to see a different more positive system when it comes to home games and we way we set up. Agreed. IF we fail to make the play-offs, then IMHO Cal would have had one season where he's over achieved, one where he's under achieved. For a young manager, I think there's a lot more to be learned from the latter. I'd 100% rather back Cal to learn from a disappointing season, than somehow try to find the money to pay off his 2-year contract and search for somebody else to do the job on any money left over. FWIW - Even if Cal's contract was up this summer and the pay-off wasn't an issue, I'd still back him to take us into next season. If we'd have finished 7th-9th last season and then finished 3rd-7th this season most people would feel we've done OK. Unfortunately we've probably done it the other way round. Bit like Eddie Howe at Newcastle. Their supporters seem to be questioning him now too. Last season we could have easily struggled in this league. We had a young manager inheriting a team that had finished in the bottom half of the division and looked at one point in danger of relegation. The fact we romped into a 3rd place finish was a big achievement. A lot of that was down to Cal and his mid-season recruitment. This seasons re-recruitment was good. Caton, Whitehouse and the decision to use Stanway. Its the new recruitment that went wrong. None of them have been good enough to get into the team, never mind improve it. With the exception of Woodthorpe. We've tried 10 strikers if you include preseason and most have left without doing anything. We all know this has been the main problem. The other main problem has been the imbalance in the squad restrictioning our options. I think it's unlikely that Cal hasn't learned a big lesson. He's not stupid. Whatever happens in the next few weeks we go again next season. There's no way we change the manager or even discuss changing the manager. However, we need to consider the crowd numbers here. A more attacking style would help maintain the crowd numbers. I'm not sure we would do this over another season of scoring 47 goals in 41 games and allowing games to be dull passing game against low block sides. To put together a competitive squad we need the backing of the fans through boost the budget and gate receipts. If crowds drop that could really impact a fans owned club. This would limit any managers options in putting a squad together, and keeping it together.
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 27, 2024 17:31:40 GMT
This slump was completely avoidable for me - I still support Cal 100% but the thought of another year in this league is very disappointing Maybe he wasn’t allowed funds to strengthen late on? If Southport signed Bennet on loan to the end of the season to boost the squad why on earth couldn’t we have done this and more or less guaranteed a play off position I don’t believe the tosh about the reasons for not keeping Jid Okeke - he was man of the match and lit the place up, just what we needed against Southport and Curzon Ashton I thought that the number one aim for the club was promotion? Doesn’t look like that to me 😳 I could be proved wrong by us going out with a different formation and winning 4 on the bounce ( I really hope this happens) but we will see 😀
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Post by chesterken on Mar 27, 2024 17:33:47 GMT
When we appointed Bern & Jono I thought we he had the Holly grail and they would carry us back to the National league or even League two, but as it turned out the lads style of football was too open and we were just as likely to lose by 3 or 4 as win, now under Cal we are really solid at the back but look disjointed going forward. We need to trust that he can find the missing link and get us firing again.
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Post by jimianto on Mar 27, 2024 18:06:46 GMT
If we miss out this season we go again with Cal. Things haven't quite worked out as planned, but the learning curve is steep.
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Post by btb on Mar 27, 2024 18:40:39 GMT
We go again with Cal in the hope that some lessons have been learned this season and recruitment is decent over the summer. It’s been a dent though and as a fan base we’re not the most patient when it comes to managers, and whilst we’re in a regional league we arguably can’t afford to be.
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Post by agl on Mar 27, 2024 18:43:17 GMT
Agreed. IF we fail to make the play-offs, then IMHO Cal would have had one season where he's over achieved, one where he's under achieved. For a young manager, I think there's a lot more to be learned from the latter. I'd 100% rather back Cal to learn from a disappointing season, than somehow try to find the money to pay off his 2-year contract and search for somebody else to do the job on any money left over. FWIW - Even if Cal's contract was up this summer and the pay-off wasn't an issue, I'd still back him to take us into next season. If we'd have finished 7th-9th last season and then finished 3rd-7th this season most people would feel we've done OK. Unfortunately we've probably done it the other way round. Bit like Eddie Howe at Newcastle. Their supporters seem to be questioning him now too. Last season we could have easily struggled in this league. We had a young manager inheriting a team that had finished in the bottom half of the division and looked at one point in danger of relegation. The fact we romped into a 3rd place finish was a big achievement. A lot of that was down to Cal and his mid-season recruitment. This seasons re-recruitment was good. Caton, Whitehouse and the decision to use Stanway. Its the new recruitment that went wrong. None of them have been good enough to get into the team, never mind improve it. With the exception of Woodthorpe. We've tried 10 strikers if you include preseason and most have left without doing anything. We all know this has been the main problem. The other main problem has been the imbalance in the squad restrictioning our options. I think it's unlikely that Cal hasn't learned a big lesson. He's not stupid. Whatever happens in the next few weeks we go again next season. There's no way we change the manager or even discuss changing the manager. However, we need to consider the crowd numbers here. A more attacking style would help maintain the crowd numbers. I'm not sure we would do this over another season of scoring 47 goals in 41 games and allowing games to be dull passing game against low block sides. To put together a competitive squad we need the backing of the fans through boost the budget and gate receipts. If crowds drop that could really impact a fans owned club. This would limit any managers options in putting a squad together, and keeping it together. Will leave the manager debate until the end of the season, as it seems a bit unfair when we are still in with an outside chance of play offs, but on what basis do you classify Caton as a good signing? On any measure (fitness, chances created and goals) he has been a failure. Presumably one of the higher earners, we've been forced to try to make do with cheap options such as Windsor and Norton to fill the void. Can only hope that he comes good next season, because he's been a major disappointment. As it happens the two signings that probably excited us all most, Caton and Taylor, haven't worked out.
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Post by proudblue on Mar 27, 2024 18:53:46 GMT
This slump was completely avoidable for me - I still support Cal 100% but the thought of another year in this league is very disappointing Maybe he wasn’t allowed funds to strengthen late on? If Southport signed Bennet on loan to the end of the season to boost the squad why on earth couldn’t we have done this and more or less guaranteed a play off position I don’t believe the tosh about the reasons for not keeping Jid Okeke - he was man of the match and lit the place up, just what we needed against Southport and Curzon Ashton I thought that the number one aim for the club was promotion? Doesn’t look like that to me 😳 I could be proved wrong by us going out with a different formation and winning 4 on the bounce ( I really hope this happens) but we will see 😀 Doubt Scunthorpe would have loaned us Bennett when until recently we seemed like a potential challenger to their top-two position. It was arguably in their best interests to send him to a side down near the bottom, where there was no danger of him biting them on the arse if he did well and he could also potentially help take points off some of the sides around Scunny in the table. A bit similar really to when we loaned Matty Taylor from FGR. Bennett initially went there on loan in November anyway, around the point when we’d brought in Tom Peers.
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Post by durdy on Mar 27, 2024 18:57:17 GMT
We could end up 13th which technically would be a massive improvement on the 16th place when he took over , at this rate we'll be in the FL by 2052 , I look forward to spending my 95th birthday as guest of honour in the Legends lounge. Joking apart though I'd get shut of him .
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Post by moldcestrian on Mar 27, 2024 19:29:58 GMT
We go again with him no doubt and I 100% know he’d a learnt so much from this season so far. About himself, tactics and players he recruits.
Of course if we started next season with 1 win in 8 or something he’d probably face the chop but he’s got credit in the bank for 3rd time lucky.
Won’t come to this as we win 8 games straight to go up
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Post by bluegazza on Mar 27, 2024 19:33:35 GMT
Third season lucky for Cal
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Post by 1paulcarden on Mar 27, 2024 19:35:02 GMT
If he can show a different approach tactically over the next 5 games then definitely. If he can’t then repurchasing a season ticket won’t be something I’ll be looking forward to (although I’ll still do it). Need to see a new approach starting on Friday. UTS.
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Post by Johnnybling on Mar 27, 2024 19:38:36 GMT
Most if not all are still 💯 % behind Call, he’s a young manager who is learning, who else loves the club and is as passionate about the club is Cal?
IF we went up and its a massive IF would we survive? Simply put with the current squad NO.
We go again next season with the expectation of a playoff place minimum, should that not be achieved then questions may have to be asked, or a director of football brought in, however how can we afford that?
I trust in Cal to give 💯% effort every match, and he IS the right man for this club, period!
He may get recruitment wrong, however IF he learns from this season then there is no reason to change manager, but Cal does need to learn quickly from this season.
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Post by boughtonblue on Mar 27, 2024 19:50:45 GMT
We have to stick with Cal. He has turned us around from the Bern and Jonno days. Yes has made mistakes, but he is an intelligent bloke and a blue through and through so we back him. We all make mistakes but the key is to learn and dont give up at the first hurdle. He is one of our own so what does that make us if we kick him out after one poor run of results. Back him
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Post by Rimmer on Mar 27, 2024 19:52:12 GMT
If he can show a different approach tactically over the next 5 games then definitely. If he can’t then repurchasing a season ticket won’t be something I’ll be looking forward to (although I’ll still do it). Need to see a new approach starting on Friday. UTS. I know what you mean about the season ticket - I may well renew but there will be some who won’t because of this and this will affect revenue / income
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Post by tarvinblue on Mar 27, 2024 20:05:43 GMT
For me, Cal has always been an underdog until this season. He’s always been in a position to overachieve and has done so year-on-year. This season, he has expectation and pressure and it’s been a different dynamic to manage. He has struggled at times and hasn’t coped well with the criticism. Failure to make the play-offs would be a massive underachievement. My issue with Cal is he seems too stubborn to change, and to progress in management he needs to adapt. He cannot be digging at fans every week, getting into verbal spats and mocking those that criticise. There will always be some that go over the top, but if he can’t cope with a small amount of criticism at Chester, how does he expect to cope at a club where he doesn’t have the background of having been ‘one of us’?
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Post by noddy on Mar 27, 2024 20:42:43 GMT
That is the point Ken, will lessons have been learnt? I'd like to think so but pride or stubbornness might be a factor. Regardless we still have Caton and Peers contracted for next season, unless a bid comes in that pays off eithers contract so we have to find away that plays to their strengths system wise as it's clearly not worked this season. The thing is we would have to spend a fair bit to sack Cal then offer the new man at least a two year deal to get someone of any note to take the job, and we still wouldn’t have any guarantees that someone else could do any better. That would be a fair chunk of next years buget spent before we even start to think about players and contracts. I was never contemplating sacking Callum Ken, as you say we couldn't afford to do so plus he certainly deserves the opportunity to right this season's wrongs. I like to think he's not stupid either, and will learn a hell of a lot from his mistakes this season.
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Post by Harry Lime on Mar 27, 2024 20:49:16 GMT
If we'd have finished 7th-9th last season and then finished 3rd-7th this season most people would feel we've done OK. Unfortunately we've probably done it the other way round. Bit like Eddie Howe at Newcastle. Their supporters seem to be questioning him now too. Last season we could have easily struggled in this league. We had a young manager inheriting a team that had finished in the bottom half of the division and looked at one point in danger of relegation. The fact we romped into a 3rd place finish was a big achievement. A lot of that was down to Cal and his mid-season recruitment. This seasons re-recruitment was good. Caton, Whitehouse and the decision to use Stanway. Its the new recruitment that went wrong. None of them have been good enough to get into the team, never mind improve it. With the exception of Woodthorpe. We've tried 10 strikers if you include preseason and most have left without doing anything. We all know this has been the main problem. The other main problem has been the imbalance in the squad restrictioning our options. I think it's unlikely that Cal hasn't learned a big lesson. He's not stupid. Whatever happens in the next few weeks we go again next season. There's no way we change the manager or even discuss changing the manager. However, we need to consider the crowd numbers here. A more attacking style would help maintain the crowd numbers. I'm not sure we would do this over another season of scoring 47 goals in 41 games and allowing games to be dull passing game against low block sides. To put together a competitive squad we need the backing of the fans through boost the budget and gate receipts. If crowds drop that could really impact a fans owned club. This would limit any managers options in putting a squad together, and keeping it together. Will leave the manager debate until the end of the season, as it seems a bit unfair when we are still in with an outside chance of play offs, but on what basis do you classify Caton as a good signing? On any measure (fitness, chances created and goals) he has been a failure. Presumably one of the higher earners, we've been forced to try to make do with cheap options such as Windsor and Norton to fill the void. Can only hope that he comes good next season, because he's been a major disappointment. As it happens the two signings that probably excited us all most, Caton and Taylor, haven't worked out. Fair point. At the time it did appear to be a very good signing. However, for some reason it wasn't worked out and I'd agree he's been a disappointment.
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Post by vandycandy on Mar 27, 2024 20:55:17 GMT
I'd stick with him for now but his tactics need to change drastically.
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