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Post by jimianto on Jun 26, 2024 10:29:22 GMT
Think it’s quite obvious Southgate’s lost the dressing room at this point Tournament too far for him shame because he did so well bringing back the buzz around the national team but his stubbornness has cost him too much Hope he proves me wrong and we snap back Sunday but England haven’t put in a solid performance for a good 2 years almost Are you inside the England camp? If he'd lost the dressing room, they'd not play to his system. What system? The players seem frustrated and have not been able to operate as a functional team. When you see the average positions map, they are not where they ought to be.
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Post by southernblue on Jun 26, 2024 10:34:08 GMT
As I see it, we will either play the Netherlands on Sunday or one of any from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia or Ukraine). I might be wrong. Can any clever bastards out there work out what results would give us which opponent, or are there just too many permutations?
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Post by Harry Lime on Jun 26, 2024 11:06:50 GMT
Bellingham is becoming an issue, he looks tired but also he doesn’t look like a 10 either, especially one forced to play in tight spaces against teams sitting back, his best work so far apart from the goal against Serbia has ben his defensive duties, so I get the calls to drop him back. Foden despite doing next to nothing in an England shirt generally feels like one of the few to have got a bit better with each game. He tried hard last night but still looks uncomfortable deployed where he is. He is our best at playing in those tighter spaces with his touch, quick feet and mind. I’d put him behind Kane with Palmer on the right and either Saka or Gordon on the left. Somebody has got to roust the back four to not dawdle as much on the ball as well, they set the tone in the first half. Even if passing amongst themselves they’ve got to do it quicker and with more purpose. I would rest him and use as impact from the bench, as required - he's looked tired and sulky. For me it's either him or Foden to play for the team's best shape and the latter deserves it more. Surely Mainoo, Palmer and Gordon have to start next time. Trippier has been poor and I think TAA and Walker will be the 2 FBs, unchanged CBs, Rice & Mainoo - Gordon, Foden, Palmer & Kane up top. That would be my starting line up. But whoever we play stubborn Southgate will probably revert to the line up from the first 2 games and try and squeeze through on penalties! Trippier has been below his usual level all season for Newcastle, even at right back. He's usually a class act at right back, but not this season. Konsa or Gomez might be preferable. They could shift over when Walker goes forward. Bellingham is a strange one. He looked like Zidane against Serbia, but next to useless in the last two games. He's been used as a sort of false 9 at times for Real Madrid with two wide strikers/wingers ahead of him. Strangely he's not really got into the box. Kane needs people running past him, but Foden and maybe Saka aren't that type of player for England. Saka didn't play 90 minutes for Arsenal very often later in the season and looks as if he needs a break. Playing Watkins up front would actually get us up the pitch as he stays there and runs in behind. Be a brave decision to start him, and if we got beat it might finish the manager off. Might look genius if it worked though.
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Post by milnerisgod on Jun 26, 2024 11:09:55 GMT
As I see it, we will either play the Netherlands on Sunday or one of any from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia or Ukraine). I might be wrong. Can any clever bastards out there work out what results would give us which opponent, or are there just too many permutations? From BBC Sport:- Who could England play in the last 16?
By winning the group, England have avoided a last-16 game against Germany and will instead face the Netherlands or whoever finishes third in Group E at 17:00 BST on Sunday, in Gelsenkirchen. As it stands, Romania, Belgium, Slovakia and Ukraine are all locked on three points each in Group E so it could yet end up being any one of those four. Confusingly, however, it's actually the results in Group F on Wednesday which will decide who the Three Lions face next. Stay with us for the next bit. Southgate's men will face the Dutch, who finished third in Group D, unless the Czech Republic beat Turkey or Georgia are victorious against Portugal in Group F. That's because Turkey, Czech Republic and Georgia can all finish third in Group F - and, if they do so while ending up with three points or more, they would take Hungary's place in the third-placed standings. The knock-on impact of that will leave England with a tie against someone in Group E. Data Analysts Nielsen Gracenote have the likelihood of England's opponents as: 61% Netherlands 16% Slovakia 11% Ukraine 8% Romania 4% Belgium
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Post by jimianto on Jun 26, 2024 11:12:17 GMT
As I see it, we will either play the Netherlands on Sunday or one of any from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia or Ukraine). I might be wrong. Can any clever bastards out there work out what results would give us which opponent, or are there just too many permutations? I believe the only 2 results that would stop us playing Netherlands are Georgia beating Portugal, or more realistically Czechia beating Turkey. If either of those results happened, we would play one of Ukraine/Slovakia/ (and less likely) Belgium/Romania.
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Post by deesideblue1 on Jun 26, 2024 11:46:54 GMT
Seems most here are more animated about England than anything that happens at the Deva.
International football is shite.
Roll on NLN.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2024 11:56:31 GMT
Seems most here are more animated about England than anything that happens at the Deva. International football is shite. Roll on NLN. Always club before country for me. However, close season is dull and tedious so there's only so much I've got to say about whether our new signings might be any good and a preseason friendly against Altrincham being arranged.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2024 12:05:56 GMT
As I see it, we will either play the Netherlands on Sunday or one of any from Group E (Romania, Belgium, Slovakia or Ukraine). I might be wrong. Can any clever bastards out there work out what results would give us which opponent, or are there just too many permutations? I believe the only 2 results that would stop us playing Netherlands are Georgia beating Portugal, or more realistically Czechia beating Turkey. If either of those results happened, we would play one of Ukraine/Slovakia/ (and less likely) Belgium/Romania. Another caveat is Czech Republic can't beat Turkey by more than two goals, otherwise Turkey would become a worse third-placed team than Hungary.
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Post by noddy on Jun 26, 2024 12:32:43 GMT
Seems most here are more animated about England than anything that happens at the Deva. International football is shite. Roll on NLN. No change for me, it's been like watching us at home during the euro's!
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Post by chesterken on Jun 26, 2024 15:08:58 GMT
Seems most here are more animated about England than anything that happens at the Deva. International football is shite. Roll on NLN. No change for me, it's been like watching us at home during the euro's! As you say it was Very similar to watching us at home last season but it’s a new season and a new start so let’s go with a clean sheet and plenty of support .
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Post by noddy on Jun 26, 2024 15:25:43 GMT
No change for me, it's been like watching us at home during the euro's! As you say it was Very similar to watching us at home last season but it’s a new season and a new start so let’s go with a clean sheet and plenty of support . Always Ken. New season, new start and new hopes and expectations of a more dynamic, entertaining brand of football to watch.
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Post by chesterken on Jun 26, 2024 15:28:40 GMT
As you say it was Very similar to watching us at home last season but it’s a new season and a new start so let’s go with a clean sheet and plenty of support . Always Ken. New season, new start and new hopes and expectations of a more dynamic, entertaining brand of football to watch. 👏
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Post by waggoner on Jun 26, 2024 16:02:20 GMT
Are you inside the England camp? If he'd lost the dressing room, they'd not play to his system. What system? The players seem frustrated and have not been able to operate as a functional team. When you see the average positions map, they are not where they ought to be. I agree. What system? Playing 2 right footed players down the left (Foden, Trippier) then playing everything down the left. playing Bellingham too far forward. I still think that Bellingham could partner Rice. Foden play more central and Gordon take over on the left. What about Luke shaw? is he near fitness? if not why take him when other left backs/wing backs were left at home?
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jun 26, 2024 16:47:28 GMT
What system? The players seem frustrated and have not been able to operate as a functional team. When you see the average positions map, they are not where they ought to be. I agree. What system? Playing 2 right footed players down the left (Foden, Trippier) then playing everything down the left. playing Bellingham too far forward. I still think that Bellingham could partner Rice. Foden play more central and Gordon take over on the left. What about Luke shaw? is he near fitness? if not why take him when other left backs/wing backs were left at home? Shaw (who I think is pretty good for England) should never have been taken. You need to take players for the positions you have. Tyrik Mitchell is a good left back who’s sat at home. He should have been in the team from the get go.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2024 17:28:36 GMT
These Group E games are why the third-placed teams progressing needs to go.
Romania and Slovakia know they're both through with a draw whatever happens in the other game. Ukraine look like they're playing for a draw and hoping someone scores in the other game, and Belgium don't really look arsed what happens.
Watch both games burst into life now I've said that!
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 26, 2024 17:41:59 GMT
These Group E games are why the third-placed teams progressing needs to go. Romania and Slovakia know they're both through with a draw whatever happens in the other game. Ukraine look like they're playing for a draw and hoping someone scores in the other game, and Belgium don't really look arsed what happens. Watch both games burst into life now I've said that! Belgium remind me of England, a lot of talented individual players however as a team they just don't play well together. Also how Belgium are ranked 3rd in the world is a mystery to me.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Jun 26, 2024 17:46:32 GMT
As you say it was Very similar to watching us at home last season but it’s a new season and a new start so let’s go with a clean sheet and plenty of support . Always Ken. New season, new start and new hopes and expectations of a more dynamic, entertaining brand of football to watch. Agree with all of this!
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Post by agl on Jun 26, 2024 17:58:23 GMT
These Group E games are why the third-placed teams progressing needs to go. Romania and Slovakia know they're both through with a draw whatever happens in the other game. Ukraine look like they're playing for a draw and hoping someone scores in the other game, and Belgium don't really look arsed what happens. Watch both games burst into life now I've said that! Belgium remind me of England, a lot of talented individual players however as a team they just don't play well together. Also how Belgium are ranked 3rd in the world is a mystery to me. Their own fans don't seem very impressed by Belgium playing keep ball for a 0-0 and setting up a match against France.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2024 18:05:15 GMT
Has Southgate got a point that we're giving an extreme reaction to England topping the group? A lot of fancied nations haven't been great such as France, Netherlands, Italy and Belgium.
The problem I have is the suggestion that England were always in control of the group. By failing to win last night, England left it out of their hands and could easily have found themselves playing Germany if Denmark had found a winner. Also, I think we'd have had a better chance of avoiding the Dutch had we knocked Slovenia out of the tournament, so it's not quite true to say we've taken control of our own destiny.
Think it just feels like in an entertaining tournament, England have been dour and disappointing.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2024 18:08:42 GMT
Belgium remind me of England, a lot of talented individual players however as a team they just don't play well together. Also how Belgium are ranked 3rd in the world is a mystery to me. Their own fans don't seem very impressed by Belgium playing keep ball for a 0-0 and setting up a match against France. I switched over to Romania v Slovakia, who to be fair to them made a decent game of it given that they knew a draw would put them both through. Belgium are annoying. So poor given how much talent they have. Would've been great to see Ukraine get a late winner.
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Post by rhodri on Jun 26, 2024 19:57:25 GMT
A bit of ex-Chester player related trivia regarding the Euros
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Post by agl on Jun 26, 2024 20:02:36 GMT
Just in case anyone is wondering I can confirm that Ronaldo is still an utter cock. Georgia are a bit raw but loving their enthusiasm. They also have an excellent keeper.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 26, 2024 20:58:35 GMT
What a breath of fresh air Georgia are. Fully deserved victory over Portugal. Ronaldo acting like a petulant little child all game yet again.
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Post by tooth on Jun 26, 2024 21:17:50 GMT
Watching Georgia is superb I take my hat to them only team I hope don't win it is Portugal because is a cockstride
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Post by tooth on Jun 26, 2024 21:18:49 GMT
So Slovakia for England they should win but then football doesn't work like that and Slovakia are tough
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Post by theshed1 on Jun 26, 2024 22:25:46 GMT
The referee in the Turkey v Czech Republic game was a complete card Happy turd
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Post by devadiva on Jun 27, 2024 10:44:13 GMT
Love it when Ronaldo loses - always makes my day.
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Post by utb on Jun 27, 2024 10:57:11 GMT
Watched most of the games so far and I can honestly say only three teams have genuinely stood out and looked like potential winners. Spain, Germany (albeit in an awful group) and Austria. France are misfiring going forward, Italy and Belgium (minus KDB) both look awful going forward. Netherlands were downright awful against Austria, Portugal flattered to deceive against Czechia and like Southgate, I don't think the manager knows his best team. Then you have England!
If there was ever a year for another underdog victory, especially the way the knockout bracket has panned out, this is the one. Austria and Switzerland in particular must be starting to dream at this point.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 27, 2024 11:49:24 GMT
Love it when Ronaldo loses - always makes my day. I'm sure Wayne does as well!
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Post by devadiva on Jun 27, 2024 15:11:20 GMT
The referee in the Turkey v Czech Republic game was a complete card Happy turd I watched that one and I suspect by the end he had carded more off field players than on field players! How anyone knew who he booked in the post match melee was beyond me. Suspect he had to stay up all night to watch the replay to make sure he got it right!
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