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Post by borussiachester on Jun 20, 2024 18:15:32 GMT
Worst performance I can remember seeing from England at a tournament in ages - the fact Guehi was, I’d say, quite comfortably the standout performer, despite making an almost-catastrophic error, tells its own story. If Alexander-Arnold (sorry, ‘Trent’) didn’t play for Liverpool, he’d be nowhere near this team, regardless of position, but he was far from the only big name who failed to show up - the likes of Kane (despite his goal), Bellingham, Stones, and possibly most of all, Rice, were also particularly disappointing. This isn’t really a vintage Denmark side, and they look weaker in their own right than in the last Euros, but they must be wondering how they’ve not won that game.
I’ve never had much of an affinity towards the national team, and it doesn’t often bother me when they lose - I wouldn’t even say it’s club over country for me, rather that it’s pretty much club only, and it’s simply a nice bonus if England do well - but even watching without much emotional attachment, I can’t help but feel infuriated over such a talented squad playing such poor football.
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Post by noddy on Jun 20, 2024 18:16:43 GMT
Let's face it guys. It was just like watching our superstars at Chester. Tippy tappy sideways and back. Scoring early and then sitting back No service to the forwards. Misplaced passes. We see it every week, but we still go back week after week and cheer them on. Absolutely correct, Callum will take it as a massive compliment being compared to Southgate... Seriously though, that was shocking tonight, never heard a co commentator (Shearer) being so scathing of an England performance, he could barely contain his anger tonight.
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Post by theshed1 on Jun 20, 2024 18:17:19 GMT
absolute boring shite lucky to get a point there up to now only 3 games have bored me to tears Italy v Albania and the 2 England games Its coming home don't make me laugh
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Post by tooth on Jun 20, 2024 18:23:05 GMT
I've said it before I will say it again England were lucky last time easy draw and they still didn't win it last time in the euros
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 20, 2024 18:35:04 GMT
He actually said before the game that Foden had played well v Serbia for what he did off the ball. He learnt nothing and changed nothing.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 18:52:34 GMT
Suppose the kindest thing you can say is if we beat Slovenia and top the group, it doesn't matter. Poor performances in the second group game have been a thing under Southgate - goalless draws against Scotland and the USA in the last two tournaments. Part of me was hoping Denmark would get a late winner as he does need to get the message that this isn't good enough.
That said, the players need to look at themselves as well. These are good players and they're playing like fools. It's not all the manager's fault.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 20, 2024 18:55:21 GMT
England don't half remind me of watching us at times so negative
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Post by weareblues on Jun 20, 2024 18:57:14 GMT
Let's face it guys. It was just like watching our superstars at Chester. Tippy tappy sideways and back. Scoring early and then sitting back No service to the forwards. Misplaced passes. We see it every week, but we still go back week after week and cheer them on. Painful you cant even escape it
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Post by agl on Jun 20, 2024 19:08:34 GMT
Worst performance I can remember seeing from England at a tournament in ages - the fact Guehi was, I’d say, quite comfortably the standout performer, despite making an almost-catastrophic error, tells its own story. If Alexander-Arnold (sorry, ‘Trent’) didn’t play for Liverpool, he’d be nowhere near this team, regardless of position, but he was far from the only big name who failed to show up - the likes of Kane (despite his goal), Bellingham, Stones, and possibly most of all, Rice, were also particularly disappointing. This isn’t really a vintage Denmark side, and they look weaker in their own right than in the last Euros, but they must be wondering how they’ve not won that game. I’ve never had much of an affinity towards the national team, and it doesn’t often bother me when they lose - I wouldn’t even say it’s club over country for me, rather that it’s pretty much club only, and it’s simply a nice bonus if England do well - but even watching without much emotional attachment, I can’t help but feel infuriated over such a talented squad playing such poor football. That was back to the dark ages. Rice was unbelievably bad, against a middle ranking team. Not sure where England go from here. Can't think of a single player who emerges with any credit. Walker was also very poor.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 19:10:44 GMT
Worst performance I can remember seeing from England at a tournament in ages - the fact Guehi was, I’d say, quite comfortably the standout performer, despite making an almost-catastrophic error, tells its own story. If Alexander-Arnold (sorry, ‘Trent’) didn’t play for Liverpool, he’d be nowhere near this team, regardless of position, but he was far from the only big name who failed to show up - the likes of Kane (despite his goal), Bellingham, Stones, and possibly most of all, Rice, were also particularly disappointing. This isn’t really a vintage Denmark side, and they look weaker in their own right than in the last Euros, but they must be wondering how they’ve not won that game. I’ve never had much of an affinity towards the national team, and it doesn’t often bother me when they lose - I wouldn’t even say it’s club over country for me, rather that it’s pretty much club only, and it’s simply a nice bonus if England do well - but even watching without much emotional attachment, I can’t help but feel infuriated over such a talented squad playing such poor football. That was back to the dark ages. Rice was unbelievably bad, against a middle ranking team. Not sure where England go from here. Can't think of a single player who emerges with any credit. Walker was also very poor. Pickford was the most relatable player out there, just because spent most of the game doing what most of us were and screaming "what the hell are you doing?" at the rest of the team.
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Post by noddy on Jun 20, 2024 19:17:28 GMT
Worst performance I can remember seeing from England at a tournament in ages - the fact Guehi was, I’d say, quite comfortably the standout performer, despite making an almost-catastrophic error, tells its own story. If Alexander-Arnold (sorry, ‘Trent’) didn’t play for Liverpool, he’d be nowhere near this team, regardless of position, but he was far from the only big name who failed to show up - the likes of Kane (despite his goal), Bellingham, Stones, and possibly most of all, Rice, were also particularly disappointing. This isn’t really a vintage Denmark side, and they look weaker in their own right than in the last Euros, but they must be wondering how they’ve not won that game. I’ve never had much of an affinity towards the national team, and it doesn’t often bother me when they lose - I wouldn’t even say it’s club over country for me, rather that it’s pretty much club only, and it’s simply a nice bonus if England do well - but even watching without much emotional attachment, I can’t help but feel infuriated over such a talented squad playing such poor football. That was back to the dark ages. Rice was unbelievably bad, against a middle ranking team. Not sure where England go from here. Can't think of a single player who emerges with any credit. Walker was also very poor. We must have been even worse than I thought then. Thought Walker was the only one who supplied any width and pace at times in the game.
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Post by tooth on Jun 20, 2024 19:25:48 GMT
Worst performance I can remember seeing from England at a tournament in ages - the fact Guehi was, I’d say, quite comfortably the standout performer, despite making an almost-catastrophic error, tells its own story. If Alexander-Arnold (sorry, ‘Trent’) didn’t play for Liverpool, he’d be nowhere near this team, regardless of position, but he was far from the only big name who failed to show up - the likes of Kane (despite his goal), Bellingham, Stones, and possibly most of all, Rice, were also particularly disappointing. This isn’t really a vintage Denmark side, and they look weaker in their own right than in the last Euros, but they must be wondering how they’ve not won that game. I’ve never had much of an affinity towards the national team, and it doesn’t often bother me when they lose - I wouldn’t even say it’s club over country for me, rather that it’s pretty much club only, and it’s simply a nice bonus if England do well - but even watching without much emotional attachment, I can’t help but feel infuriated over such a talented squad playing such poor football. That was back to the dark ages. Rice was unbelievably bad, against a middle ranking team. Not sure where England go from here. Can't think of a single player who emerges with any credit. Walker was also very poor. if you thought walker was poor must be watching a different game Bellingham was dog shit and saka have a go at them
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Post by league2 on Jun 20, 2024 19:27:59 GMT
Walker and saka were the only ones that seemed to have any go in them, long time since I've seen us play as bad as that
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Post by bing on Jun 20, 2024 19:30:58 GMT
Our top 6 play for Madrid, Munich, City, Liverpool and Arsenal - teams who play on the front foot. We play with the handbrake on.
There's no point picking TAA. His strength for Liverpool is picking out forward runs ahead of him. Ironically, when Watkins came on, TAA had already been subbed.
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Post by muffinthemule on Jun 20, 2024 19:37:37 GMT
Take away the foreign superstars from their premiership super teams and these so called England stars are very average. Foden and Bellingham looks a world beaters with all the stars around them to make the runs etc. but put the lesser talented English players there and we get that crap.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jun 20, 2024 19:42:37 GMT
I seriously think one of the main issues we suffer from is mental.
We have had numerous talented squads with managers way more experienced and successful than Southgate and in the main they have come up short.
This is brought out most clearly in our penalty record, which is woefull, and is clearly down to a lack of mental strength or bottle and a lack of executing a simple action under pressure.
We do have it in us to pull out a great performance. And I think we will at some point this tournament.
Nothing is won at this stage.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 20, 2024 19:52:23 GMT
Dear oh dear that was a very tough watch. Sat back after taking the lead & lucky not to lose in the end. Midfield was dreadful & the subs did very little when they came on. Gallagher is a waste of time.
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Post by agl on Jun 20, 2024 19:58:51 GMT
The midfield is the main issue. Last tournament, despite criticism for being negative, it worked really well with Kalvin Phillips and Rice as holding midfielders. Now it just looks unbalanced. I suspect that's it for TAA but not sure who you bring in. Foden did show a few glimpses today.
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Post by noddy on Jun 20, 2024 20:02:34 GMT
There's no point picking TAA. His strength for Liverpool is picking out forward runs ahead of him. Ironically, when Watkins came on, TAA had already been subbed. Our top 6 play for Madrid, Munich, City, Liverpool and Arsenal - teams who play on the front foot. We play with the handbrake on.
Who's to blame for that?
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Post by bing on Jun 20, 2024 20:34:41 GMT
There's no point picking TAA. His strength for Liverpool is picking out forward runs ahead of him. Ironically, when Watkins came on, TAA had already been subbed. Our top 6 play for Madrid, Munich, City, Liverpool and Arsenal - teams who play on the front foot. We play with the handbrake on.
Who's to blame for that? I agree! Our work off the ball is equally worrying. Some players press, some players don't, meaning it's too easy to play through us.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 20:55:12 GMT
Think if I was a neutral I'd want England and Italy out as soon as possible. It's a really good tournament but these two are stinking it out despite the talent they have!
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Post by league2 on Jun 20, 2024 20:56:02 GMT
Just watched spain v Italy, Spain would destroy us, Italy would grind us down and beat us by a couple of goals,that where we are at right now
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Post by tooth on Jun 20, 2024 21:10:50 GMT
That Spain Italy game was a delight to watch there is one difference between Spain and the rest that is rodri he's so talented whoever beats Spain wins it
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 20, 2024 21:21:57 GMT
That Spain Italy game was a delight to watch there is one difference between Spain and the rest that is rodri he's so talented whoever beats Spain wins it Spain need to kill teams off - should have won that comfortably but missed chance after chance. Can’t afford to keep on doing that as they’ll end up going out on pens against someone they’ve played off the park
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 20, 2024 21:37:22 GMT
Just watched spain v Italy, Spain would destroy us, Italy would grind us down and beat us by a couple of goals,that where we are at right now Agree with you about Spain, they move it around very quickly & we wouldn't be able to cope with that. I think Italy are just as bad as we are however they'd more than likely beat us on penalties again after a 120 minute snoozefest.
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Post by weareblues on Jun 20, 2024 21:44:58 GMT
The midfield is the main issue. Last tournament, despite criticism for being negative, it worked really well with Kalvin Phillips and Rice as holding midfielders. Now it just looks unbalanced. I suspect that's it for TAA but not sure who you bring in. Foden did show a few glimpses today. Mainoo Rice Bellingham Worked well against Belgium, think it’s criminal how Southgate’s thrown Trent into this position he’s rarely played for England before & insists on giving Gallagher game time over likes of Mainoo and Wharton.
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Post by welshrover on Jun 20, 2024 22:59:25 GMT
Should have played some other chaps.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 21, 2024 1:13:45 GMT
Our top 6 play for Madrid, Munich, City, Liverpool and Arsenal - teams who play on the front foot. We play with the handbrake on. There's no point picking TAA. His strength for Liverpool is picking out forward runs ahead of him. Ironically, when Watkins came on, TAA had already been subbed. I think TAA is a classic example of a player who needs world class players around him. Bit like Frank Lampard, who was usually poor to average in an England shirt without the likes of Makelele and Essien behind him.
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Post by jimianto on Jun 21, 2024 8:57:16 GMT
Our top 6 play for Madrid, Munich, City, Liverpool and Arsenal - teams who play on the front foot. We play with the handbrake on. There's no point picking TAA. His strength for Liverpool is picking out forward runs ahead of him. Ironically, when Watkins came on, TAA had already been subbed. I think TAA is a classic example of a player who needs world class players around him. Bit like Frank Lampard, who was usually poor to average in an England shirt without the likes of Makelele and Essien behind him. Can't agree with that. 'Fat' Frank was superb for England in the main. TAA is an inbetweener. Not defensively sound enough to play RB and not quite right in a 2 player midfield either, plus we have better options further up the pitch. Good passer etc., but I'd rather have a better fit like Mainoo or a real grafter like Wharton along side Rice. How the feck Gallagher gets a gig off the bench ahead of those two is beyond me.
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Post by jimianto on Jun 21, 2024 9:02:15 GMT
The midfield is the main issue. Last tournament, despite criticism for being negative, it worked really well with Kalvin Phillips and Rice as holding midfielders. Now it just looks unbalanced. I suspect that's it for TAA but not sure who you bring in. Foden did show a few glimpses today. I think Wharton would work best for the team. Every time I've seen him play, he does the simple stuff so well and has a great engine. He is the most similar to Kalvin Phillips in the squad.
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