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Post by vandycandy on Jun 18, 2024 16:38:16 GMT
Enjoyable game France vs Austria & but for an unfortunate own goal there really wasn't a lot between the two sides. Austria just lack that cutting edge up front. I don't think there's been a bad game yet. England's was probably the worst so far in terms of entertainment. Turkey vs Georgia is an absolute cracker so far.
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Post by Eddie Gray's left foot on Jun 18, 2024 16:54:13 GMT
Serbia look a decent team think we will both qualify tough game that Agree, better side than Denmark I think. England looked the best side in the tournament for the first 30 minutes but after that it was a pretty tough watch. It felt self-inflicted, as if we were almost too comfortable and the passing became sloppy. Roy Keane said the other day that he thought Trent would get found out in that position against top opposition and I thought even against a fairly ordinary side he was caught out a few times tonight. It seems odd to me that we're shoehorning three right backs into the side. I think you've got a lot more chance of winning if you play natural players in every position. Bellingham is amazing. Definitely the most exciting English player I've seen since 18-year-old Rooney. Also, is it me or do England games not generate the same excitement as they used to? All the pubs used to be heaving, everyone would be trying to get out of work and it was almost like the country would grind to a halt for two hours while England played in tournaments. Now it seems like people aren't that interested. It's probably down to have big the Premier League and Champions League have become, fans seeing England as a distraction and a drain on their players. In a way it's probably lower league fans who take more interest in international football now as we can watch it without worrying. Yes I think the Trent experiment has failed. I hope the manager has realised this.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jun 18, 2024 17:18:59 GMT
Agree, better side than Denmark I think. England looked the best side in the tournament for the first 30 minutes but after that it was a pretty tough watch. It felt self-inflicted, as if we were almost too comfortable and the passing became sloppy. Roy Keane said the other day that he thought Trent would get found out in that position against top opposition and I thought even against a fairly ordinary side he was caught out a few times tonight. It seems odd to me that we're shoehorning three right backs into the side. I think you've got a lot more chance of winning if you play natural players in every position. Bellingham is amazing. Definitely the most exciting English player I've seen since 18-year-old Rooney. Also, is it me or do England games not generate the same excitement as they used to? All the pubs used to be heaving, everyone would be trying to get out of work and it was almost like the country would grind to a halt for two hours while England played in tournaments. Now it seems like people aren't that interested. It's probably down to have big the Premier League and Champions League have become, fans seeing England as a distraction and a drain on their players. In a way it's probably lower league fans who take more interest in international football now as we can watch it without worrying. Yes I think the Trent experiment has failed. I hope the manager has realised this. I’d give the young central midfielder from Palace a go.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 19, 2024 11:50:03 GMT
I think Southgate does instill a natural caution into his teams, but couple that with playing the international equivalent of Alfreton, who average out over the entire team at more than 6ft 2 then you know how it is going to go. I agree. It was a good result against a very strong, physical team. The handbrake hurts us when we go ahead against better technical sides though (Croatia and Italy spring to mind). The deeper into the competition England go, the more cautious Southgate will probably get, especially if this is to be his last tournament in charge whatever the outcome. He's the wrong man to be in charge of a side with so much attacking wealt because of how he likes to approach games.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2024 15:00:00 GMT
Another fantastic game just then between Croatia and Albania. Defeat would've been really harsh on Albania so great to see them get a late equaliser.
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 19, 2024 15:01:54 GMT
Another fantastic game just then between Croatia and Albania. Defeat would've been really harsh on Albania so great to see them get a late equaliser. Thought Albania had blown it to be honest. Another great game as you say.
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Post by theshed1 on Jun 19, 2024 15:44:53 GMT
Another fantastic game just then between Croatia and Albania. Defeat would've been really harsh on Albania so great to see them get a late equaliser. Great game as you say and Albania could have been out of site by half time had they taken their chances. Just wish England would play a bit like Croatia did in the second half I mean its not like we don't have the talent
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2024 15:56:54 GMT
Another fantastic game just then between Croatia and Albania. Defeat would've been really harsh on Albania so great to see them get a late equaliser. Great game as you say and Albania could have been out of site by half time had they taken their chances. Just wish England would play a bit like Croatia did in the second half I mean its not like we don't have the talent And concede a late equaliser to Albania?
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Post by theshed1 on Jun 19, 2024 16:12:12 GMT
Great game as you say and Albania could have been out of site by half time had they taken their chances. Just wish England would play a bit like Croatia did in the second half I mean its not like we don't have the talent And concede a late equaliser to Albania? If we played like that we would be so far in front a late equaliser wouldn't come into it however the way we play ie get a 1 goal lead and play tippy tappy as we did against Serbia then a late equaliser is very much on the cards
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2024 18:45:08 GMT
And concede a late equaliser to Albania? If we played like that we would be so far in front a late equaliser wouldn't come into it however the way we play ie get a 1 goal lead and play tippy tappy as we did against Serbia then a late equaliser is very much on the cards Maybe. I get the frustration and I think Southgate probably has got it wrong in big games like the Euro 2020 final and 2018 semi. I'm just not as sure as some are that Kevin Keegan football is the answer. I think people forget that Keegan has actually managed England and did pretty badly! Also, I didn't really think the problem against Serbia was tactical myself. I thought we just started playing badly. I could see it going wonky around the 30 hour mark, it started with Stones I think shinning the ball out for a throw under no pressure. Up to the manager to address it of course, but he would argue we got the win, and I think it was more comfortable than some people are making out.
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Post by Imperial on Jun 19, 2024 19:16:29 GMT
If we played like that we would be so far in front a late equaliser wouldn't come into it however the way we play ie get a 1 goal lead and play tippy tappy as we did against Serbia then a late equaliser is very much on the cards Maybe. I get the frustration and I think Southgate probably has got it wrong in big games like the Euro 2020 final and 2018 semi. I'm just not as sure as some are that Kevin Keegan football is the answer. I think people forget that Keegan has actually managed England and did pretty badly! Also, I didn't really think the problem against Serbia was tactical myself. I thought we just started playing badly. I could see it going wonky around the 30 hour mark, it started with Stones I think shinning the ball out for a throw under no pressure. Up to the manager to address it of course, but he would argue we got the win, and I think it was more comfortable than some people are making out. To be fair, after 30 hours they must have been knackered.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2024 19:57:34 GMT
Maybe. I get the frustration and I think Southgate probably has got it wrong in big games like the Euro 2020 final and 2018 semi. I'm just not as sure as some are that Kevin Keegan football is the answer. I think people forget that Keegan has actually managed England and did pretty badly! Also, I didn't really think the problem against Serbia was tactical myself. I thought we just started playing badly. I could see it going wonky around the 30 hour mark, it started with Stones I think shinning the ball out for a throw under no pressure. Up to the manager to address it of course, but he would argue we got the win, and I think it was more comfortable than some people are making out. To be fair, after 30 hours they must have been knackered. Quite flattering to know anyone reads what I write that carefully!
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Jun 19, 2024 21:18:17 GMT
All the great finishers Scotland have had over the years, and now that’s what they’re lacking a proper goal scorer. Amount of balls played into the box that a McCoist, Dalglish, Law, or Mo Johnstone, McAvennie, Kenny Miller would have fed off!
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Post by vandycandy on Jun 19, 2024 21:36:32 GMT
All the great finishers Scotland have had over the years, and now that’s what they’re lacking a proper goal scorer. Amount of balls played into the box that a McCoist, Dalglish, Law, or Mo Johnstone, McAvennie, Kenny Miller would have fed off! Fancy them to beat Hungary though.
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Post by agl on Jun 19, 2024 21:36:42 GMT
All the great finishers Scotland have had over the years, and now that’s what they’re lacking a proper goal scorer. Amount of balls played into the box that a McCoist, Dalglish, Law, or Mo Johnstone, McAvennie, Kenny Miller would have fed off! There's a lack of quality throughout the team. I think only McTominay is international standard. McGinn, Robertson and Gilmour are decent but then you're scratching your head. They did well to qualify, anything else is a bonus.
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Post by noddy on Jun 19, 2024 21:37:40 GMT
All the great finishers Scotland have had over the years, and now that’s what they’re lacking a proper goal scorer. Amount of balls played into the box that a McCoist, Dalglish, Law, or Mo Johnstone, McAvennie, Kenny Miller would have fed off! Fancy them to beat Hungary though. I don't.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 19, 2024 22:11:57 GMT
Win or bust for them in the last game. Very unlikely a draw would be enough, leaving them with two points and a -4 goal difference, but if they win I'd say they're 90% likely to go through with four points.
This is Scotland though. They are to the group stage what England are to penalty shootouts.
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Post by bing on Jun 20, 2024 11:07:28 GMT
Scotland still in it with 1 point and a -4 goal difference illustrates how the new format gives less of a feeling of jeopardy. The big sides know that a win in the first game means they are virtually through.
I sense the final round of games in the group stages - often the most exciting part of the tournament - may see players rested by the top sides and some upsets (on paper at least) as their eyes will be on the knockout stages.
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Post by highpeakblue on Jun 20, 2024 11:57:43 GMT
Scotland are a testament to endeavour over quality. You can't fault them for effort last night, but I'm still to be convinced that they have actually scored yet.
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Post by Si on Jun 20, 2024 12:49:30 GMT
Scotland are a testament to endeavour over quality. You can't fault them for effort last night, but I'm still to be convinced that they have actually scored yet. The Scots are probably the poorest team I've seen in it. It's only the Premier League players they have that show any kind of composure on the ball. They rely on Che Adams and McTominay for goals, says it all. They gave it their all last night and gave themselves a chance so fair play for that, but I think Hungary will comfortably beat them.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 14:01:20 GMT
EE using "Love Will Tear Us Apart" in an anti-hate campaign. Great song but I'm not sure it makes sense.
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Post by agl on Jun 20, 2024 14:37:13 GMT
Scotland are a testament to endeavour over quality. You can't fault them for effort last night, but I'm still to be convinced that they have actually scored yet. The Scots are probably the poorest team I've seen in it. It's only the Premier League players they have that show any kind of composure on the ball. They rely on Che Adams and McTominay for goals, says it all. They gave it their all last night and gave themselves a chance so fair play for that, but I think Hungary will comfortably beat them. They are obviously hampered by the poor quality of the Scottish premiership. Rangers and Celtic players probably have 5 or 6 truly competitive games a season. How can those guys possibly step into a European tournament?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 15:37:50 GMT
Agree, better side than Denmark I think. England looked the best side in the tournament for the first 30 minutes but after that it was a pretty tough watch. It felt self-inflicted, as if we were almost too comfortable and the passing became sloppy. Roy Keane said the other day that he thought Trent would get found out in that position against top opposition and I thought even against a fairly ordinary side he was caught out a few times tonight. It seems odd to me that we're shoehorning three right backs into the side. I think you've got a lot more chance of winning if you play natural players in every position. Bellingham is amazing. Definitely the most exciting English player I've seen since 18-year-old Rooney. Also, is it me or do England games not generate the same excitement as they used to? All the pubs used to be heaving, everyone would be trying to get out of work and it was almost like the country would grind to a halt for two hours while England played in tournaments. Now it seems like people aren't that interested. It's probably down to have big the Premier League and Champions League have become, fans seeing England as a distraction and a drain on their players. In a way it's probably lower league fans who take more interest in international football now as we can watch it without worrying. Yes I think the Trent experiment has failed. I hope the manager has realised this. Unchanged today.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 20, 2024 16:47:56 GMT
Dreadful since going ahead. Generally stick up for Southgate but this us hard to understand.
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Post by Lon on Jun 20, 2024 16:56:30 GMT
Rinse and repeat from Sunday really although we started off quite nervous and sloppy. Some players are just overthinking things and putting themselves in trouble. Hopefully better second half. Win here puts us guaranteed top so can try other players in the last game.
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Post by noddy on Jun 20, 2024 16:59:44 GMT
Southgate will blame the pitch. You've heard it here first...
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Post by tooth on Jun 20, 2024 17:26:32 GMT
Too negative I'm afraid cole Palmer now
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jun 20, 2024 17:49:53 GMT
Very average performance that.
Still, nothing won at this stage.
Hopefully can’t get much worse than this.
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Post by tooth on Jun 20, 2024 17:59:09 GMT
Boring repetitive football Southgate out
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Post by muffinthemule on Jun 20, 2024 18:13:54 GMT
Let's face it guys. It was just like watching our superstars at Chester. Tippy tappy sideways and back. Scoring early and then sitting back No service to the forwards. Misplaced passes. We see it every week, but we still go back week after week and cheer them on.
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