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Post by Lobster on Aug 3, 2024 15:45:16 GMT
Good, gives us more options off the bench, involves more of the squad so not as many are left out on match day and they're sitting about being paid not to play. Don't see the drama Still not clear whether it's actually happening though as far as I can see. Avfo's source only says Step 1, which is the league about us. |
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Post by Imperial on Aug 3, 2024 20:31:47 GMT
This might sound a bit silly but if Jonno seems to think it’s being applied at our level then clearly there’s some confusion.
Hopefully the club is sure one way or another, be typical Chester to go away to the NE first game of the season, get a result & then be in trouble for using too many subs.
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Post by annonymous on Aug 5, 2024 13:33:19 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Aug 5, 2024 15:11:17 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do. Renshaw Minihan Moore Keane NKP Doyle Lloyd spooner Philiskirk Carver Owolabi Amazing mate I think you'd win the league above with that side* *never heard of any of them |
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Post by annonymous on Aug 5, 2024 15:45:18 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do. Renshaw Minihan Moore Keane NKP Doyle Lloyd spooner Philiskirk Carver Owolabi Amazing mate I think you'd win the league above with that side* *never heard of any of them Was coming in peace? But a few of them would walk into your side mate so? |
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Post by yoshimitsu on Aug 5, 2024 15:48:37 GMT
Amazing mate I think you'd win the league above with that side* *never heard of any of them Was coming in peace? But a few of them would walk into your side mate so? No idea who any of them are. Good luck for your season apart from when we play you and that you obviously finish below us. |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 5, 2024 15:51:09 GMT
I don't know enough about players at this level to comment on other teams, but it's true that anyone can beat anyone in this league. We took more points off Tamworth last season than we did off Bishop's Stortford. But squad depth tends to be the difference and I'm fairly confident we have that.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 5, 2024 16:01:50 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do. Renshaw Minihan Moore Keane NKP Doyle Lloyd spooner Philiskirk Carver Owolabi We have not just a strong first 11 but impressive strength in depth, we could easily make 4 changes without weakening the team, we couldn’t do that last season and injuries played a big part in us falling away. |
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Post by Anders on Aug 5, 2024 16:09:26 GMT
Southport have recruited quite well to be fair, could be a dark horse for the 6/7th play-off spots if they are lucky on injuries.
None of the their players get in our starting XI though for me, I'd have been interested in players like Minihan or Carver a few months ago but our recruitment stepped up a gear or two since then.
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Post by annonymous on Aug 5, 2024 16:44:51 GMT
Southport have recruited quite well to be fair, could be a dark horse for the 6/7th play-off spots if they are lucky on injuries. None of the their players get in our starting XI though for me, I'd have been interested in players like Minihan or Carver a few months ago but our recruitment stepped up a gear or two since then. No i agree think Chester Will probably finish above us but I disagree about you being miles ahead of us and I think we surprise a few this season. Also disagree that no players would get into your side. Both sides fully fit and both play same system Renshaw is a better keeper than cam mason IMO, Jordan Keane would get into your back 3, possibly Jack Doyle at left back, Philiskirk and Lloyd probably get in your midfield 3 and Carver would partner Willoughby easily. Just my opinion don’t come shooting me down plus Jack Bainbridge was frozen out by Jim |
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Post by Moltisanti on Aug 5, 2024 17:14:32 GMT
Southport have recruited quite well to be fair, could be a dark horse for the 6/7th play-off spots if they are lucky on injuries. None of the their players get in our starting XI though for me, I'd have been interested in players like Minihan or Carver a few months ago but our recruitment stepped up a gear or two since then. No i agree think Chester Will probably finish above us but I disagree about you being miles ahead of us and I think we surprise a few this season. Also disagree that no players would get into your side. Both sides fully fit and both play same system Renshaw is a better keeper than cam mason IMO, Jordan Keane would get into your back 3, possibly Jack Doyle at left back, Philiskirk and Lloyd probably get in your midfield 3 and Carver would partner Willoughby easily. Just my opinion don’t come shooting me down plus Jack Bainbridge was frozen out by Jim You’re being ridiculous now sorry. Wind up merchant, perhaps. |
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Post by vandycandy on Aug 5, 2024 19:27:06 GMT
I'm not even going to bother responding to the Southport fan. We are winning the league this season & that's it!
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Post by annonymous on Aug 5, 2024 19:34:26 GMT
I'm not even going to bother responding to the Southport fan. We are winning the league this season & that's it! You may do! But Keane, Philiskirk and carver walk into your side. |
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Post by noddy on Aug 5, 2024 19:41:05 GMT
I'm not even going to bother responding to the Southport fan. We are winning the league this season & that's it! You may do! But Keane, Philiskirk and carver walk into your side. Good luck for the season. No idea of the quality of the players above, it's difficult to compere as we don't watch them on a regular basis and you don't watch ours. I'd be highly disappointed though if we don't finish above you this season though. |
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Post by annonymous on Aug 5, 2024 20:19:57 GMT
You may do! But Keane, Philiskirk and carver walk into your side. Good luck for the season. No idea of the quality of the players above, it's difficult to compere as we don't watch them on a regular basis and you don't watch ours. I'd be highly disappointed though if we don't finish above you this season though. You can’t be disappointed with 2nd though when we win the league in March!😉 |
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Post by Lobster on Aug 6, 2024 0:44:02 GMT
Good luck for the season. No idea of the quality of the players above, it's difficult to compere as we don't watch them on a regular basis and you don't watch ours. I'd be highly disappointed though if we don't finish above you this season though. You can’t be disappointed with 2nd though when we win the league in March!😉 Southport always seem a bit erratic to me. You seem to win five in a row and then lose five in a row, so from an opposition point of view, you always find yourself hoping we play you at the right time. I used to wonder how stable things were off the pitch there, but it seems to have settled down a bit now and the managerial musical chairs has gone.
I'd like to see you win on Saturday. I know football is pretty irrelevant all things considered, but can't begrudge the town a bit of happiness.
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Post by Si on Aug 6, 2024 7:20:17 GMT
I'm not even going to bother responding to the Southport fan. We are winning the league this season & that's it! You may do! But Keane, Philiskirk and carver walk into your side. Carver perhaps, as I've always rated him. Don't really know enough about Philiskirk but we are well stacked in that area. This Keane fella must be some player if he walks in ahead of Rawlinson, Pollock, Williams, and Burke! On the whole I'd agree Southport have recruited well, and have a manager that knows the level - starting 11 should be enough for a play off push, but not sure how you're equipped in terms of a squad when injuries and suspensions bite. This is where we are significantly stronger than previous seasons, much more strength in depth and players that can fit in various systems. As I've said before we have the squad to be challenging for the title, but it just depends on whether the manager can make the necessary changes from last season to have us looking more creative. |
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Post by chesterifa on Aug 6, 2024 8:59:57 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do. Renshaw Minihan Moore Keane NKP Doyle Lloyd spooner Philiskirk Carver Owolabi Hello Sir, I firmly believe you've recruited really well and have a solid manager for this level of football. I think where you lack is squad depth but you can't have everything can you! Carver is a proven goalscorer at this level. Owolabi is either going to score 15 this season or 1, very raw. Lloyd has been a fantastic footballer in his career and if he has the legs, should be your star player in most games IMO. Minihan is obviously a class above, not sure how you've secured him in honesty. The player though you've not mentioned and for me, I've always been impressed with when he's played against us, is Harry Flowers. Rumours were he has a poor attitude and spits his dummy out but i've never seen him put a foot wrong when playing against us and what a unit he is. Dangerous in both boxes. I have Southport down as finishing in the playoffs, 6th or 7th - SUBJECT to your players avoiding injuries. If you're injury plagued like our lot past few season, you'll be mid table. Hope that was a fair assessment. |
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Post by chesterifa on Aug 6, 2024 9:10:32 GMT
Further to the above, the only player i'd possibly have in our squad, that is in Southport's, is Marcus Carver for his effectiveness and goalscoring record. He probably would partner up with Willoughby well, but then the thought of Caton (who i am a big fan of) Peers and Turner not starting is just mind boggling to me. So maybe I wouldn't have Carver...fk knows
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Post by annonymous on Aug 6, 2024 11:08:48 GMT
Southport fan here and I would say I have you down as winning the league think you’ve got a good side. However i think purely on strongest 11 all fit we would actually be very close to you obviously anything can happen in a game and over a season so would be interested to hear Chester fans opinion on how we will do. Renshaw Minihan Moore Keane NKP Doyle Lloyd spooner Philiskirk Carver Owolabi Hello Sir, I firmly believe you've recruited really well and have a solid manager for this level of football. I think where you lack is squad depth but you can't have everything can you! Carver is a proven goalscorer at this level. Owolabi is either going to score 15 this season or 1, very raw. Lloyd has been a fantastic footballer in his career and if he has the legs, should be your star player in most games IMO. Minihan is obviously a class above, not sure how you've secured him in honesty. The player though you've not mentioned and for me, I've always been impressed with when he's played against us, is Harry Flowers. Rumours were he has a poor attitude and spits his dummy out but i've never seen him put a foot wrong when playing against us and what a unit he is. Dangerous in both boxes. I have Southport down as finishing in the playoffs, 6th or 7th - SUBJECT to your players avoiding injuries. If you're injury plagued like our lot past few season, you'll be mid table. Hope that was a fair assessment. Ye that’s fair enough. It’s interesting about Harry Flowers we actually have 6 centre backs all together and he’s probably our 6th choice and some were expecting him to be sold. Unfortunately he snapped his ACL on our Belfast tour so will be out for months. |
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Post by avfo on Aug 6, 2024 13:57:40 GMT
Good, gives us more options off the bench, involves more of the squad so not as many are left out on match day and they're sitting about being paid not to play. Don't see the drama Still not clear whether it's actually happening though as far as I can see. Avfo's source only says Step 1, which is the league about us. From recent interview with Buxton manager - "The fact we can make five substitutions is important too because if you’ve got five players on the bench who are as fit as the ones coming off, but just fresher, it bodes well for us" |
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Post by jimcgreen on Aug 6, 2024 14:23:56 GMT
Having recently clarified with the league, it IS five subs from five named for Step 2.
These can be made at anytime during the five, i.e. you can make five individual substitute changes at any point during the match.
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Post by borussiachester on Aug 6, 2024 14:34:22 GMT
Having recently clarified with the league, it IS five subs from five named for Step 2. These can be made at anytime during the five, i.e. you can make five individual substitute changes at any point during the match. Thanks for clarifying, Jim, but this sounds like textbook National League - introducing a bizarre interpretation of the rule that differs from every other league, and communicating it so poorly that member clubs are still uncertain about what the rule actually is less than a week before the start of the season. |
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Post by jimcgreen on Aug 6, 2024 14:40:57 GMT
Yeah, think it could definitely have been managed better. I'm not sure allowing five separate substitute opportunities will be very popular. If you're winning 1-0 with 10 minutes to play and have three or four in the bank, a nice way to run the clock down!
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Post by Si on Aug 6, 2024 14:55:42 GMT
Yeah, think it could definitely have been managed better. I'm not sure allowing five separate substitute opportunities will be very popular. If you're winning 1-0 with 10 minutes to play and have three or four in the bank, a nice way to run the clock down! Thought the exact same thing myself. From a supporters point of view it's already bad enough watching some of the shithousery with players falling over to stall the game, now they've got further licence to spoil the game more by making more subs. From a players POV they may be happy as the squad players have more chance of some game time. I don't think there was a problem with 3 to be honest - 5 subs is more suited to the Premier League where there's a smaller turnaround between returning from European games and international duty. |
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Post by Anders on Aug 6, 2024 15:08:47 GMT
Who would honestly trust the refs at our level to keep count of the number of subs made and in how many blocks of three, for both teams, without the help of a fourth official? They make enough mistakes as it is. Mind you I’d have preferred naming seven and still making three myself across all three divisions. That looked doable but perhaps dependent on other clubs voting it through.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 6, 2024 23:18:16 GMT
Five separate substitutes? Oh joy of joys.
Sod off National League!
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Post by mike2641990 on Aug 7, 2024 7:27:20 GMT
5 subs at any time is crazy.
Although unlikely, you could be stopping 10 times for substitutions
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Post by Curva Nord on Aug 7, 2024 10:43:42 GMT
Be like the PL and Euros, you have to do them in blocks. Really don't see the issue. We have more options from the bench more of our squad are now involved on maths day and hopefully less frustrations from lads being left out.
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Post by Anders on Aug 7, 2024 10:55:39 GMT
Be like the PL and Euros, you have to do them in blocks. Really don't see the issue. We have more options from the bench more of our squad are now involved on maths day and hopefully less frustrations from lads being left out. It's not going to be in blocks though, it is like that everywhere else except the National League + NLN/S. The game can now get stopped ten times for subs. The National League are going against the grain, as they often tend to do. |
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