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Post by southernseal on Oct 15, 2024 16:30:06 GMT
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Oct 15, 2024 17:46:49 GMT
Having watched the match in Helsinki, hopefully a manager such as Tuchel with an attacking flair would be welcome. Don’t trust the FA to ever make a good decision. Think we must of passed the ball about 40 times then lost it so often without gaining much ground . Tedious to watch. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 15, 2024 18:09:18 GMT
Having watched the match in Helsinki, hopefully a manager such as Tuchel with an attacking flair would be welcome. Don’t trust the FA to ever make a good decision. Think we must of passed the ball about 40 times then lost it so often without gaining much ground . Tedious to watch. Carsley gave everyone what they wanted against Greece and look how that turned out. With Southgate it’s a case of “you don’t know what you had until it was gone.” |
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Post by weareblues on Oct 15, 2024 18:10:39 GMT
Really happy with this such an upgrade from Southgate fingers crossed he can take us that extra step now |
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Post by weareblues on Oct 15, 2024 18:15:05 GMT
Having watched the match in Helsinki, hopefully a manager such as Tuchel with an attacking flair would be welcome. Don’t trust the FA to ever make a good decision. Think we must of passed the ball about 40 times then lost it so often without gaining much ground . Tedious to watch. Carsley gave everyone what they wanted against Greece and look how that turned out. With Southgate it’s a case of “you don’t know what you had until it was gone.” Are you on the wind up again?? Southgate very clearly took us as far as he could and his negative tactics ended up costing us it was dire to watch majority of the time. Defend the guy myself a lot but it was clear he wasn’t going to take us all the way. The last two England games have been a woeful watch zero style of play and players didn’t even look remotely interested. Only other option for the job that would’ve been realistic was Potter so think I’ll take our chance on a proven winner. |
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Post by billyw on Oct 15, 2024 18:21:19 GMT
Touchél it is.
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Post by tooth on Oct 15, 2024 18:28:33 GMT
Right man in the short term long term I have my doubts seems to leave under a cloud
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Post by southernseal on Oct 15, 2024 18:41:30 GMT
More I think about this the more pleased I am with it
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 15, 2024 19:49:39 GMT
Right man in the short term long term I have my doubts seems to leave under a cloud He's fallen out fairly quickly with everyone who's employed him. Presumably over transfer budgets though. Those won't be an issue at international level. |
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Post by tooth on Oct 15, 2024 19:55:05 GMT
Right man in the short term long term I have my doubts seems to leave under a cloud He's fallen out fairly quickly with everyone who's employed him. Presumably over transfer budgets though. Those won't be an issue at international level. correct but you still need to have a relationship with the fa and you have to prove yourself quickly will he do it time will tell but why do I get the feeling he will be there one or two tournaments |
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Post by southernseal on Oct 15, 2024 20:12:42 GMT
Times reporting he’s likely to appoint former Chester player Anthony Barry as his assistant (currently assistant manager at Portugal)
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Post by borussiachester on Oct 15, 2024 21:36:10 GMT
Rubbish appointment.
He’s got an impressive record in knockout football, so I’m sure he’ll fare well in the short term - but it’ll come at the expense of everything England have worked so hard to build in recent times. Say what you like about Southgate, and whether his tenure on the whole ought to be considered a success or failure, but his greatest achievement was surely his fostering of the most harmonious and positive atmosphere around the team for many years - players, supporters and media seemingly all on the same page at long last, when they’d previously appeared to be at war with one another. There’s a reason why no ‘top’ managers would touch the England job with a barge pole for a while, and why the candidates being linked with the job this time around were more impressive than those linked before Southgate’s appointment.
That ought to be his lasting legacy, but I worry that Tuchel will trample over it all. The contrast between him and Southgate couldn’t be much starker - he’s left every club he’s managed in acrimonious circumstances, having displayed a penchant for falling out with players and boards alike, and consistently attempted to force out anyone more popular or influential than him. Not only will this likely lead to a frosty relationship with the ever-obstinate ‘suits’ in the FA, he’ll also drive a wedge between the dressing-room, and alienate the rest of the technical staff; as with most ‘divide-and-conquer’ tactics, they may well work initially, but the house of cards will begin to fall before too long. I also don’t imagine he’d have many hesitations to leave England in the lurch if a better offer came calling from elsewhere - perhaps a top European side offering him a route back into the club game. I know most of us would’ve preferred an external appointment rather than a ‘yes man’, but this is taking things too far to the other extreme.
I also echo the views of many others, in that it’s a shame that the job hasn’t been offered to an Englishman - though more than anything else, I think this is a pretty sorry indictment of the state of coaching in this country. By all accounts, the FA’s structures and processes for training and developing coaches lag way behind other top footballing nations, and what’s more, there’s very little in the way of upward movement through the pyramid - top-flight sides are largely neglecting to consider talented young managers from the lower divisions or youth football, in favour of foreign journeymen. By and large, the only chance English managers have to reach the Premier League is if they earn promotion with their current club - and even on the rare occasion when that’s not the case and they’re given a chance with one of the bigger sides, they invariably aren’t given the time or backing to flourish. Reputation still counts for far too much - but the precarious nature of the job also means that more and more former players are opting for the safety of media work rather than taking their chances in management.
Ultimately, it all amounts to yet another consequence of the all-too-familiar tale of English football resting on its laurels, not realising until it’s too late that other nations have overtaken us, and of the top-down approach which is killing the grassroots game in order to appease the money men in their ivory towers. You’d have thought the fact that there isn’t a single English manager out there deemed worthy of managing the national team would be a pretty alarming wake-up call for the authorities, but I’m not holding out much hope of things changing any time soon.
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Post by tooth on Oct 16, 2024 6:25:35 GMT
Rubbish appointment. He’s got an impressive record in knockout football, so I’m sure he’ll fare well in the short term - but it’ll come at the expense of everything England have worked so hard to build in recent times. Say what you like about Southgate, and whether his tenure on the whole ought to be considered a success or failure, but his greatest achievement was surely his fostering of the most harmonious and positive atmosphere around the team for many years - players, supporters and media seemingly all on the same page at long last, when they’d previously appeared to be at war with one another. There’s a reason why no ‘top’ managers would touch the England job with a barge pole for a while, and why the candidates being linked with the job this time around were more impressive than those linked before Southgate’s appointment. That ought to be his lasting legacy, but I worry that Tuchel will trample over it all. The contrast between him and Southgate couldn’t be much starker - he’s left every club he’s managed in acrimonious circumstances, having displayed a penchant for falling out with players and boards alike, and consistently attempted to force out anyone more popular or influential than him. Not only will this likely lead to a frosty relationship with the ever-obstinate ‘suits’ in the FA, he’ll also drive a wedge between the dressing-room, and alienate the rest of the technical staff; as with most ‘divide-and-conquer’ tactics, they may well work initially, but the house of cards will begin to fall before too long. I also don’t imagine he’d have many hesitations to leave England in the lurch if a better offer came calling from elsewhere - perhaps a top European side offering him a route back into the club game. I know most of us would’ve preferred an external appointment rather than a ‘yes man’, but this is taking things too far to the other extreme. I also echo the views of many others, in that it’s a shame that the job hasn’t been offered to an Englishman - though more than anything else, I think this is a pretty sorry indictment of the state of coaching in this country. By all accounts, the FA’s structures and processes for training and developing coaches lag way behind other top footballing nations, and what’s more, there’s very little in the way of upward movement through the pyramid - top-flight sides are largely neglecting to consider talented young managers from the lower divisions or youth football, in favour of foreign journeymen. By and large, the only chance English managers have to reach the Premier League is if they earn promotion with their current club - and even on the rare occasion when that’s not the case and they’re given a chance with one of the bigger sides, they invariably aren’t given the time or backing to flourish. Reputation still counts for far too much - but the precarious nature of the job also means that more and more former players are opting for the safety of media work rather than taking their chances in management. Ultimately, it all amounts to yet another consequence of the all-too-familiar tale of English football resting on its laurels, not realising until it’s too late that other nations have overtaken us, and of the top-down approach which is killing the grassroots game in order to appease the money men in their ivory towers. You’d have thought the fact that there isn’t a single English manager out there deemed worthy of managing the national team would be a pretty alarming wake-up call for the authorities, but I’m not holding out much hope of things changing any time soon. an excellent post |
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Post by RonD on Oct 16, 2024 8:56:32 GMT
Ex-Blue Anthony Barry to be Tuchel's assistant.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 16, 2024 9:12:19 GMT
Carsley gave everyone what they wanted against Greece and look how that turned out. With Southgate it’s a case of “you don’t know what you had until it was gone.” Are you on the wind up again?? Southgate very clearly took us as far as he could and his negative tactics ended up costing us it was dire to watch majority of the time. Defend the guy myself a lot but it was clear he wasn’t going to take us all the way. The last two England games have been a woeful watch zero style of play and players didn’t even look remotely interested. Only other option for the job that would’ve been realistic was Potter so think I’ll take our chance on a proven winner. He took us further than anyone else ever has overall (although Ramsey won the World Cup his best other efforts were a couple of quarters, one semi, and a failure to qualify for the ‘74 World Cup. Southgate may have taken us as far as he could - I do agree, but as Carsley showed the other night against Greece, packing your team full of attacking players doesn’t work. Whose to say a more adventurous Southgate system would not have got us knocked out earlier in his tournaments? As I said, “you don’t know what you’ve got til its gone” - brace yourselves for more decades of back to our usual quarter final ceiling. As for the specific appointment, it seems to me like a last throw of the dice in terms of the type of manager the FA have tried. We’ve tried big names, U21 step-ups, homegrown, foreign etc. It’s a shame the “DNA” can’t continue and the FA seem to have ripped up their white paper on homegrown “pathways” in coaching for the national setup but it is what it is - a desperate last throw of the dice to try to win some silverware. Put it this way, if we can’t get a GERMAN to win a major tournament for us (the thing Germans are famously specialist at!) then we have to face facts that England will NEVER win a major. Ever. |
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Oct 16, 2024 9:38:34 GMT
Are you on the wind up again?? Southgate very clearly took us as far as he could and his negative tactics ended up costing us it was dire to watch majority of the time. Defend the guy myself a lot but it was clear he wasn’t going to take us all the way. The last two England games have been a woeful watch zero style of play and players didn’t even look remotely interested. Only other option for the job that would’ve been realistic was Potter so think I’ll take our chance on a proven winner. He took us further than anyone else ever has overall (although Ramsey won the World Cup his best other efforts were a couple of quarters, one semi, and a failure to qualify for the ‘74 World Cup. Southgate may have taken us as far as he could - I do agree, but as Carsley showed the other night against Greece, packing your team full of attacking players doesn’t work. Whose to say a more adventurous Southgate system would not have got us knocked out earlier in his tournaments? As I said, “you don’t know what you’ve got til its gone” - brace yourselves for more decades of back to our usual quarter final ceiling. As for the specific appointment, it seems to me like a last throw of the dice in terms of the type of manager the FA have tried. We’ve tried big names, U21 step-ups, homegrown, foreign etc. It’s a shame the “DNA” can’t continue and the FA seem to have ripped up their white paper on homegrown “pathways” in coaching for the national setup but it is what it is - a desperate last throw of the dice to try to win some silverware. Put it this way, if we can’t get a GERMAN to win a major tournament for us (the thing Germans are famously specialist at!) then we have to face facts that England will NEVER win a major. Ever. I think this appointment is purely for the short term, Tuchel doesn’t last long anywhere in club football. I would like to think the FA have a long term strategy, but track record isn’t great in this field. I reckon in two years time, after the WC, they’ll bin Tuchel for an English manager. It Tuchel will leave as we know our press and fans are unforgiving at the best of times. Would Cal be ready in two years time……? |
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Post by weareblues on Oct 16, 2024 10:27:10 GMT
Are you on the wind up again?? Southgate very clearly took us as far as he could and his negative tactics ended up costing us it was dire to watch majority of the time. Defend the guy myself a lot but it was clear he wasn’t going to take us all the way. The last two England games have been a woeful watch zero style of play and players didn’t even look remotely interested. Only other option for the job that would’ve been realistic was Potter so think I’ll take our chance on a proven winner. He took us further than anyone else ever has overall (although Ramsey won the World Cup his best other efforts were a couple of quarters, one semi, and a failure to qualify for the ‘74 World Cup. Southgate may have taken us as far as he could - I do agree, but as Carsley showed the other night against Greece, packing your team full of attacking players doesn’t work. Whose to say a more adventurous Southgate system would not have got us knocked out earlier in his tournaments? As I said, “you don’t know what you’ve got til its gone” - brace yourselves for more decades of back to our usual quarter final ceiling. As for the specific appointment, it seems to me like a last throw of the dice in terms of the type of manager the FA have tried. We’ve tried big names, U21 step-ups, homegrown, foreign etc. It’s a shame the “DNA” can’t continue and the FA seem to have ripped up their white paper on homegrown “pathways” in coaching for the national setup but it is what it is - a desperate last throw of the dice to try to win some silverware. Put it this way, if we can’t get a GERMAN to win a major tournament for us (the thing Germans are famously specialist at!) then we have to face facts that England will NEVER win a major. Ever. I’d see your point if Tuchel hadn’t won something at every club he’s been at. Southgate did wonders for the national team but it’s time to move on. You can’t play defensive football when you’ve got world class attackers and midfielders in your team. Southgate’s negative football cost us potentially 3 trophies. Not to mention we also went out in the quarter finals the other year against France… Need to play attacking football if we want to win something and we also need a name that the players will respect Tuchel is the answer |
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Post by vandycandy on Oct 16, 2024 10:36:26 GMT
Just happy it's not Carsley to be honest. I'm surprised the F.A have been so bold, unusual for them. Tuchel is certainly not a yes man so it could be an interesting appointment, whether he remains there for the long term who knows.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 16, 2024 11:25:00 GMT
He took us further than anyone else ever has overall (although Ramsey won the World Cup his best other efforts were a couple of quarters, one semi, and a failure to qualify for the ‘74 World Cup. Southgate may have taken us as far as he could - I do agree, but as Carsley showed the other night against Greece, packing your team full of attacking players doesn’t work. Whose to say a more adventurous Southgate system would not have got us knocked out earlier in his tournaments? As I said, “you don’t know what you’ve got til its gone” - brace yourselves for more decades of back to our usual quarter final ceiling. As for the specific appointment, it seems to me like a last throw of the dice in terms of the type of manager the FA have tried. We’ve tried big names, U21 step-ups, homegrown, foreign etc. It’s a shame the “DNA” can’t continue and the FA seem to have ripped up their white paper on homegrown “pathways” in coaching for the national setup but it is what it is - a desperate last throw of the dice to try to win some silverware. Put it this way, if we can’t get a GERMAN to win a major tournament for us (the thing Germans are famously specialist at!) then we have to face facts that England will NEVER win a major. Ever. I’d see your point if Tuchel hadn’t won something at every club he’s been at. Southgate did wonders for the national team but it’s time to move on. You can’t play defensive football when you’ve got world class attackers and midfielders in your team. Southgate’s negative football cost us potentially 3 trophies. Not to mention we also went out in the quarter finals the other year against France… Need to play attacking football if we want to win something and we also need a name that the players will respect Tuchel is the answer I go back to the point I made - Carsley gave everyone what they wanted and overloaded attacking players into the side against Greece and the defence were all over the place, Greece had the ball in the net FIVE times. Can’t go gung-ho in international football. Also Tuchel presided over Bayern Munich not winning the league title for the first time in about 37 years last season… FWIW, I’ve no issue with the fact he’s German (unlike the gammon right wing press today still harping on about the war), it’s more the fact the FA have blown up their whole DNA of a coaching pathway for homegrown coaching talent. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 16, 2024 11:26:19 GMT
He took us further than anyone else ever has overall (although Ramsey won the World Cup his best other efforts were a couple of quarters, one semi, and a failure to qualify for the ‘74 World Cup. Southgate may have taken us as far as he could - I do agree, but as Carsley showed the other night against Greece, packing your team full of attacking players doesn’t work. Whose to say a more adventurous Southgate system would not have got us knocked out earlier in his tournaments? As I said, “you don’t know what you’ve got til its gone” - brace yourselves for more decades of back to our usual quarter final ceiling. As for the specific appointment, it seems to me like a last throw of the dice in terms of the type of manager the FA have tried. We’ve tried big names, U21 step-ups, homegrown, foreign etc. It’s a shame the “DNA” can’t continue and the FA seem to have ripped up their white paper on homegrown “pathways” in coaching for the national setup but it is what it is - a desperate last throw of the dice to try to win some silverware. Put it this way, if we can’t get a GERMAN to win a major tournament for us (the thing Germans are famously specialist at!) then we have to face facts that England will NEVER win a major. Ever. I’d see your point if Tuchel hadn’t won something at every club he’s been at. Southgate did wonders for the national team but it’s time to move on. You can’t play defensive football when you’ve got world class attackers and midfielders in your team. Southgate’s negative football cost us potentially 3 trophies. Not to mention we also went out in the quarter finals the other year against France… Need to play attacking football if we want to win something and we also need a name that the players will respect Tuchel is the answer Not so sure. France and Brazil have been the most successful sides recently (along with Spain). They're hardly overly attacking are they. In fact Brazil realised they kept losing out to lesser teams because they played the Brazilian way. So they changed to the Dunga style as they felt this gave them more chance of winning tournaments. What England have lacked over the years is a couple of truly World class players. Messi Ronaldo Mbappe Zidane and the like will win you the big games, if you're well organised. We may have a couple of 2nd class World players now and that might make a difference. |
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Post by picasso on Oct 16, 2024 16:55:42 GMT
For me it should have been a toss up between Ian Holloway, Harry Redknapp or Niel Warnock. All would have relished the chance of managing their country, we would get some entertaining post match press conferences and they could rid the association of all the dinosaurs still stalking the marbled corridors.
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Post by billyw on Oct 16, 2024 17:14:31 GMT
Anthony Barry as his assistant.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2024 17:21:48 GMT
State of the papers today. Worst press in the developed world.
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Post by theshed1 on Oct 16, 2024 17:35:05 GMT
State of the papers today. Worst press in the developed world. We've had that distinction for decades I don't bother reading any of them anymore it's just pure unadulterated shite |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2024 17:56:47 GMT
State of the papers today. Worst press in the developed world. We've had that distinction for decades I don't bother reading any of them anymore it's just pure unadulterated shite I don't read it but I still have to look at it every time I go into a shop and even that it enough to raise my blood pressure. |
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Post by RonD on Oct 16, 2024 19:19:58 GMT
Anthony Barry as his assistant. Now mentioned three times in the thread, including me. 😬 John Coleman was interviewed on Five Live singing his praises as a coach |
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 16, 2024 20:12:59 GMT
Ex Goat Anthony Barry to be his assistant.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Oct 16, 2024 22:42:46 GMT
Superb appointment. Thomas Tuchel has a fantastic CV to his name, especially in knockout football, so I’m really excited with this news. I couldn’t give a monkeys where he comes from - as long as he delivers success for us then that’s the most important thing for me. Other than Sir Alf Ramsey and Gareth Southgate, we’ve been nothing but underwhelming under English managers. There aren’t any English names out there at the moment that fill me with much excitement either, so fair play to the FA for actually making a bold decision for once. The current boss of the women’s team, who happens to be the most successful one, is foreign, so bear that in mind for a moment 👀.
I’ve heard reports that Anthony Barry will be the Assistant Manager - that’s some downfall from when he played for us!
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Oct 17, 2024 7:42:16 GMT
Ex Goat Anthony Barry to be his assistant. The ex- Yeovil Town player? Fair play to the lad. |
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Post by thetheremin on Oct 17, 2024 10:27:13 GMT
This is a decent appointment
Never want to see gifted players like Alexander-Arnold played completely out of position again just to shoehorn them into the XI
You want a manager e.g. not being scared to pick a left back from an unfashionable club. Pick Leif Davis or Tyrick Mitchell who would play their hearts out, don’t be afraid to leave the big names out. Balance the squad.
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