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Post by happyclapper52 on Jan 23, 2018 16:39:20 GMT
Either get down to support the Blues tonight and/or attend Thursday's meeting where an opportunity to voice your concerns.
If neither then just back off and let those who get off their computer and/or arse to voice concerns on your behalf and stop moaning 😃
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Post by Matt on Jan 23, 2018 16:44:29 GMT
Either get down to support the Blues tonight and/or attend Thursday's meeting where an opportunity to voice your concerns. If neither then just back off and let those who get off their computer and/or arse to voice concerns on your behalf and stop moaning 😃 We had moaners when we were winning every week but the CFU have alienated the fan base. |
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jan 23, 2018 17:44:21 GMT
So are you a CFU member ?
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Post by Matt on Jan 23, 2018 18:02:29 GMT
So are you a CFU member ? Not anymore. |
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Post by gezzer on Jan 23, 2018 18:14:47 GMT
So are you a CFU member ? What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 23, 2018 18:36:21 GMT
Either get down to support the Blues tonight and/or attend Thursday's meeting where an opportunity to voice your concerns. If neither then just back off and let those who get off their computer and/or arse to voice concerns on your behalf and stop moaning 😃 We had moaners when we were winning every week but the CFU have alienated the fan base. Really, how did I do that then? |
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 23, 2018 18:38:23 GMT
So are you a CFU member ? What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. Completely agreed. Was a first year member, tried to be slightly more involved with the odd bit of volunteering and the attitude from some (not all) is absolutely shocking. Proper holier-than-thou types that are often reluctant to accept suggestions or offers of help, without making snide remarks, never mind constructive criticism. Makes me wonder if there is now space for a separate supporters club. Historically, we always had the Chester Supporters Trust, which was a distinct entity from the club, and was able to properly represent the views of it's members through it's independence. Whilst this was rightly rolled into the CFU with the aim of reforming the club, we now seem to be lacking any kind of supporters organisation that is not tied up in managing the club. There are statements and opinions that it would be improper and unprofessional for the CFU to express as owners/operators of the club, which previously would have been put forward by the supporters trust. |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 23, 2018 18:39:36 GMT
So are you a CFU member ? What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 23, 2018 18:40:40 GMT
What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. Completely agreed. Was a first year member, tried to be slightly more involved with the odd bit of volunteering and the attitude from some (not all) is absolutely shocking. Proper holier-than-thou types that are often reluctant to accept suggestions or offers of help, without making snide remarks, never mind constructive criticism. So vote them out then. Oh no, sorry, you can't can you because you're not a member. Doh! |
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 23, 2018 18:42:25 GMT
Completely agreed. Was a first year member, tried to be slightly more involved with the odd bit of volunteering and the attitude from some (not all) is absolutely shocking. Proper holier-than-thou types that are often reluctant to accept suggestions or offers of help, without making snide remarks, never mind constructive criticism. So vote them out then. Oh no, sorry, you can't can you because you're not a member. Doh! I wasn't specifically talking about board members. |
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 23, 2018 18:55:17 GMT
What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. |
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Post by gezzer on Jan 23, 2018 19:00:19 GMT
What is the relevance of your question? Are you suggesting that it is only non CFU members who are moaning as if you are a CFU member nothing is wrong? I am not, never have been and never will be in the CFU (due in part to attitudes like yours at the launch party) but still support Chester FC and will still have an opinion regardless. No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Firstly are you saying that all the CFU are having a say in how the club is being run and happy with it? Secondly what has the price of joining got to do with it? Exactly the kind of attitude that put me off. For the record I pay full price at the turnstiles and also think that it is disgusting that the owners of this club collectively put in a measly £12k a season (and shrinking) |
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 23, 2018 19:06:49 GMT
No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Firstly are you saying that all the CFU are having a say in how the club is being run and happy with it? Secondly what has the price of joining got to do with it? Exactly the kind of attitude that put me off. For the record I pay full price at the turnstiles and also think that it is disgusting that the owners of this club collectively put in a measly £12k a season (and shrinking) Excellent point. Fed up of people having a dig "can't be arsed paying £12/year" towards people who can be arsed paying £18 on the turnstiles 22+ times a season to spend a couple hours usually watching absolute dross. |
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Post by franksalot on Jan 23, 2018 19:24:46 GMT
Here we go again , I'm a real fan you're not , you're not entitled to an opinion because .....blah dee blah dee blah , give it a b****** rest will you. If I alone had a £ for every time I've heard that attitude over the years this club would never have had financial problems !! There really aren't enough of us for the holier than thou brigade
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Post by Charfield Blue on Jan 23, 2018 19:42:34 GMT
No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. They must be very sensitive souls if this has driven them away? |
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Post by Captain Duff on Jan 23, 2018 19:49:13 GMT
No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. Yes, everyone has the 'right' to an opinion and to voice it how the wish. I have a right to moan about the government but unless I vote to try and change it then it would stay as a powerless moan and nothing else. If people spent a fraction of the time going to CFU meetings and holding the board to account (assuming they are Chester based) or changing them as they do moaning with no practical purpose on here then we perhaps would not be in the state we now are. We have the power if we want to use it, that is what being fan owned is about, the goats seem to get that, why can't so many on our side of the border? |
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Post by scott on Jan 23, 2018 19:51:44 GMT
And this is one of the reasons we are struggling financially as a fans owned football club. Too many supporters think it is just ok to turn up to the home games pay £18 and that is fine. We the fans are the owners and we need to put our money into the club or there will be no club.
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Post by canadianexile on Jan 23, 2018 22:08:54 GMT
And this is one of the reasons we are struggling financially as a fans owned football club. Too many supporters think it is just ok to turn up to the home games pay £18 and that is fine. We the fans are the owners and we need to put our money into the club or there will be no club.How much money do you expect from people? Turn up to most home games and you're putting in £400 a year. The extra £12 CFU membership is insignificant against that figure, so you're saying too many supporters think it's ok to only put in ~£400 a year? |
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Post by gezzer on Jan 23, 2018 22:13:48 GMT
And this is one of the reasons we are struggling financially as a fans owned football club. Too many supporters think it is just ok to turn up to the home games pay £18 and that is fine. We the fans are the owners and we need to put our money into the club or there will be no club. Sorry, what is your point? All in all a home match costs me upwards of £25 including programme, drinks, Seals lottery. Just cos I choose not to join the CFU means I'm partly responsible for our financial struggles? You as an owner are responsible for only putting in a poxy £12k a season, if we were owned by a single owner you would be the first on here to spew your bile at that amount. You as an owner have allowed your voted representatives to financially mismanage the budget and BTW why weren't you at the match tonight, oh its ok I pay my £12 a Year so can come on here and have a go at non CFU Chester supporters |
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Post by cemlynblue on Jan 23, 2018 22:15:11 GMT
Up the seals.
Who are we? Blue army.
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 23, 2018 23:17:07 GMT
No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. Well said. Nice counter to the typical DC "you're not a fan if you're not in my perfect image". |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 23, 2018 23:18:52 GMT
Here we go again , I'm a real fan you're not , you're not entitled to an opinion because .....blah dee blah dee blah , give it a b****** rest will you. If I alone had a £ for every time I've heard that attitude over the years this club would never have had financial problems !! There really aren't enough of us for the holier than thou brigade Good one. Well said. The holier than thou brigade get on my tits. |
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Jan 23, 2018 23:22:18 GMT
No problem, but unless you own something you have no say in how it is run, if you don't want a say fine, but what isn't a good look is refusing to join something for a quid a month and then moaning that you don't like what the people who did make the effort have done. It's like not voting in an election and moaning about the government you get. Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. If you don’t go to games, you’re a fan, not a supporter |
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 24, 2018 9:27:32 GMT
Absolute rubbish. You're entitled to voice your opinion member or non member, whether you've been every game for 60 years or you've been twice. 99.5% of football fans across the country do not own their club, and probably are not season ticket holders, nor a member of any organised club. They can still voice their opinion. Even those 'fans' that have never been to a ground and enjoy football through Sky Sports are entitled to voice their opinion on how their club is run. This idea that if you don't pay £12/year you aren't a 'proper' supporter is absolutely toxic and has driven many away. If you don’t go to games, you’re a fan, not a supporter isn't that what he said. Fan if you've never been to the ground. But you don't have to pay £12 to make you a supporter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 9:51:37 GMT
It's really saddening to see this thread degenerating into in-fighting between fans (or supporters) OF THE SAME CLUB!
Especially as a fan owned outfit we should be so much better than this and given our current predicament it's the last thing we need
I tend to take a simple view of life , more often than not other people sometimes tend to unnecessarily over-complicate matters which often clouds the real issues.
So, in my view, everyone who genuinely follows our fortunes should be allowed to voice opinions, after all this is essentially what this forum is about.
We should maybe look at DC a bit like TripAdvisor - dismiss the comments at both ends of the scale and you're left with sensible and useful views from sensible and useful people.
Granted, I accept that CFU members are the ones who directly affect the direction of the club.
You have to have some mechanism to do this.
But I see no reason why constructive views or suggestions from sensible non-CFU members cannot be a) acknowledged and b) "adopted" for discussion at CFU meetings.
Constant bickering and the "we're better/ more important; oh no you're not" scenario does absolutely nothing to move this club forward.
End of rant
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Post by gone4eva on Jan 24, 2018 9:56:16 GMT
What about people who go to games for decades but are not CFU members, are people really wanting to tell them to do one as they are not Proper Supporters?!
Sometimes you get the feeling some people would be happy with a five a side team playing in the northgate as long as they were the top guys and best fans.
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Post by Derry Blue on Jan 24, 2018 10:12:58 GMT
What about people who go to games for decades but are not CFU members, are people really wanting to tell them to do one as they are not Proper Supporters?! Sometimes you get the feeling some people would be happy with a five a side team playing in the northgate as long as they were the top guys and best fans. Superb post. |
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Post by bluetartan on Jan 24, 2018 10:15:03 GMT
All this in fighting is utterly ridiculous, I am a CFU member relevant or not I didn’t join for some power trip I joined as in the hour of need I saw it as a way of saving OUR club, we needed revenue and I felt and still do that it is away to belong and feel a part of OUR club. I have supported this club since the mid seventies as a young boy it’s in the blood it’s in all of us why are we all fighting against each other the fans are not the issue. Any revenue stream is vital but it is glaringly obvious that we are rudderless and for numerous reasons we are struggling financially, it’s self perpetuating, bad management equals poor performances, equals apathy, equals dwindling attendances, equals even leases revenue, equals poorer playing staff, equals poorer performances etc etc etc. People really need to WAKE UP, I am just as angry as everyone else with how this is playing out but it’s not directed at Childish comments like I buy a programme, I have a season ticket, I am CFU member, I buy a pie........... we all SUPPORT this club, SUPPORT comes in many ways, this club is balanced on a knife edge again and infighting is totally not the answer. We all really need to step up to the plate in any way possible it’s as simple as that without bickering without recrimination, we need to band together we need to SUPPORT, We want the board to to tell us exactly what they are going to do to turn this around and if they cannot do it they need to be removed. Being a member of the CFU is not the only way you can achieve this, but it’s only this that gives you a vote, non CFU members you could join but if you choose not to you should support CFU members to push this, we all want the same thing. No matter who you are or where you come from we all need to do what we can and then more if possible to get this club back where it needs to be. If we carry on like we are, this club won’t be around much longer, then the taunts from over the border that “we let our club die” will come true and be nailed to the locked gates.
OUR CITY, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CLUB Is our motto please read it again and understand it’s meaning.
City till I die.
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Post by luckyblue on Jan 24, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
I'm sure this has been done to death before....but why not be a CFU member ?
It's just a £1 a month donation. Dont have to go to this or that meeting. Don't have to be involved in any initiatives. It's just a little contribution to the well being of OUR club.
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Post by chesterken on Jan 24, 2018 10:22:29 GMT
All this in fighting is utterly ridiculous, I am a CFU member relevant or not I didn’t join for some power trip I joined as in the hour of need I saw it as a way of saving OUR club, we needed revenue and I felt and still do that it is away to belong and feel a part of OUR club. I have supported this club since the mid seventies as a young boy it’s in the blood it’s in all of us why are we all fighting against each other the fans are not the issue. Any revenue stream is vital but it is glaringly obvious that we are rudderless and for numerous reasons we are struggling financially, it’s self perpetuating, bad management equals poor performances, equals apathy, equals dwindling attendances, equals even leases revenue, equals poorer playing staff, equals poorer performances etc etc etc. People really need to WAKE UP, I am just as angry as everyone else with how this is playing out but it’s not directed at Childish comments like I buy a programme, I have a season ticket, I am CFU member, I buy a pie........... we all SUPPORT this club, SUPPORT comes in many ways, this club is balanced on a knife edge again and infighting is totally not the answer. We all really need to step up to the plate in any way possible it’s as simple as that without bickering without recrimination, we need to band together we need to SUPPORT, We want the board to to tell us exactly what they are going to do to turn this around and if they cannot do it they need to be removed. Being a member of the CFU is not the only way you can achieve this, but it’s only this that gives you a vote, non CFU members you could join but if you choose not to you should support CFU members to push this, we all want the same thing. No matter who you are or where you come from we all need to do what we can and then more if possible to get this club back where it needs to be. If we carry on like we are, this club won’t be around much longer, then the taunts from over the border that “we let our club die” will come true and be nailed to the locked gates. OUR CITY, OUR COMMUNITY, OUR CLUB Is our motto please read it again and understand it’s meaning. City till I die. What he said x2. |
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