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Post by sealking on Feb 20, 2018 21:47:53 GMT
Quick summary...even first half no clear chances but second half orient kept the ball better. Maybe a free kick to us leading to their goal but we was woeful in the final third. One shot in the second half and that was off target.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 20, 2018 21:51:31 GMT
At least we're giving it a go now. People seem to be coming back from games disappointed but not angry.
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Post by chesterken on Feb 20, 2018 22:07:24 GMT
At least we're giving it a go now. People seem to be coming back from games disappointed but not angry. No lack of effort I thought Orient were a decent well drilled side and their defence was as good as I have seen this season they won every ball first and second. I thought the Orient full backs supported the front men really well but ours never got over the half way line.
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Post by g1 on Feb 20, 2018 22:11:02 GMT
Said it before say it again don't have a proper DM haven't all season long
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 20, 2018 22:11:57 GMT
They were obviously the better side - quicker and better with the ball. However, at HT we were giving a reasonable account of ourselves and were very much in the game.
Second half though they got on top and we rarely worked the ball in to any dangerous areas until we went one down. We did our best to respond but it was too little too late.
Positives were the displays of the young lads in the side, they put in a shift I thought. Bottom line though, we needed the points & didnt get them.
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Post by billyw on Feb 20, 2018 22:16:48 GMT
A solid performance and much improved from earlier in the season. Unfortunately we offered nothing upfront and didn't bother their keeper once. Can't complain about the result as Orient were the better team, particularly in the second half. They played the ball on the ground and were much quicker. Why is it that most teams move the ball so much quicker than we do? A special word for Tom Crawford - this lad is going to be a hell of a player.
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Post by Anders on Feb 20, 2018 22:17:38 GMT
Thought we played pretty well again tonight but just couldn’t muster up any chances. They were one of the best teams down here this season in my opinion, slick and made us work hard off the ball and it showed in the second half and particularly after they went ahead as we got tired. Reckon they’ll end up well inside the top half come the end of the season.
Crawford was outstanding, his best performance yet. The floating ball he put in to White late on was superb, if only White could have controlled it.
To be honest although results have gone against us I was encouraged, it’s a shame the line-up we have now has only just come together, we’d have been nowhere near the bottom four otherwise. Definitely have confidence that we can get results now, it’s just whether we’ve left ourselves with too much to do.
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 20, 2018 22:17:58 GMT
Disappointed mainly because although we were ok first half we never really worked their keeper. Second half they took control and just did enough to take the points. No complaints from me Orient deservedly won. Made up for Tom Crawford. Such a pity he wasn't introduced 4 months ago. Hannah constantly offside to the extent I thought the lino just routinely flagged him. That Hobson looks a very good player too. Thought Gary Roberts was excellent too and Dominic Vose often over-elaborated and lost the ball. Leyton Orient were a completely superior team to the one we played at the back end of last year.
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 20, 2018 22:21:32 GMT
At least we're giving it a go now. People seem to be coming back from games disappointed but not angry. Four words to sum tonight up. At the end of the day, we've got half our squad on expenses, whilst Orient have quality in abundance and now a manager playing them like a promotion chasing side. The effort from our players was there, just a lack of quality on and off the ball compared to a superior Orient outfit. Late goals elsewhere in the league mean it's still only 6 points from safety - could have been far worse. Onto Dagenham.
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Post by blaconblues on Feb 20, 2018 22:22:40 GMT
We could of been there all night and wouldn't have scored.
How many times was Hannah offside? Literally looking down the line. He should also not be on free kicks.
Why was White so deep and even taking throw ins?
No outlet for our forward thinking players and no real pace.
Gary got a yellow early so lost a bit of his game but thought him and especially Crawford were our best players. Tom was everywhere - he's always been technically brilliant but real maturity in his play at his age.
Relegation certainties but if we can keep Gaz and Tom and build our team around them we may do alright next season.
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Post by tarvinblue on Feb 20, 2018 22:32:58 GMT
Lots of positives to take from the fight that the team put up and the individual performances of many of the players recently introduced. Just a shame we had nothing in the final third and are carrying players like Hannah and White. One decent game in 10 isn't enough and White cost us the goal and failed to control the only chance we created. Still being let down by the same players. Anyway, onto the next one and hopefully we can keep showing this kind of fight. Just not sure where the goals will consistently come from.
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Post by rcb on Feb 20, 2018 22:39:51 GMT
At least we're giving it a go now. People seem to be coming back from games disappointed but not angry. Four words to sum tonight up. At the end of the day, we've got half our squad on expenses, whilst Orient have quality in abundance and now a manager playing them like a promotion chasing side. The effort from our players was there, just a lack of quality on and off the ball compared to a superior Orient outfit. Late goals elsewhere in the league mean it's still only 6 points from safety - could have been far worse.Onto Dagenham. Six points adrift of fifth bottom with a far inferior goal difference, and yet again failing to score at home. Football matches have three possible outcomes, with losing being the worst, so how could it have been far worse?
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 20, 2018 22:47:39 GMT
Four words to sum tonight up. At the end of the day, we've got half our squad on expenses, whilst Orient have quality in abundance and now a manager playing them like a promotion chasing side. The effort from our players was there, just a lack of quality on and off the ball compared to a superior Orient outfit. Late goals elsewhere in the league mean it's still only 6 points from safety - could have been far worse.Onto Dagenham. Six points adrift of fifth bottom with a far inferior goal difference, and yet again failing to score at home. Football matches have three possible outcomes, with losing being the worst, so how could it have been far worse? Because Barrow conceded a late equaliser, Solihull failed to find a winner, Torquay conceded a very late winner, Maidstone lost.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 20, 2018 22:53:16 GMT
No lack of effort and much improved from a few weeks ago. Lacked quality in the final third Needed Mahon and Vose to take the game to Orient. which they didnt really do. Vose is quality but it didnt really come off for him tonight, on another day it will. Roberts and the excellent Tom Crawford kept it ticking over in midfield. but we didnt really create enough or put a decent Orient team under any sustained pressure. Just a pity this team wasnt put together 2 months ago and we would have had a decent chance of staying up. Special shout out for Tom Crawford whose passing, distribution, technical ability and vision , is way beyond his years. Easily MOM and will definately play at a much higher level. You could build a team around him and Gary Roberts. Roberts with his experience and quality is a latter day Paul Carden and for me has done more to justify a contract, in 3 matches than James Dawson and Turnbull have done in 6 months
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Post by MPW on Feb 20, 2018 23:01:36 GMT
Couldn’t fault the lads for effort, we were just beaten by a better and well drilled team. I don’t recall their keeper having to do anything!
Crawford looks like another cracking prospect and looks so calm on the ball.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 23:10:53 GMT
One of those games where you just have to hold your hands up and accept we were beaten by the better side.
They were quicker to the ball, competed just that little bit harder and possessed a fair amount of pace which they used to great effect especially on their right.
Once Edinburgh really stamps his mark on that team and coupled with their resources, I predict they will go up next year. So no disgrace in losing tonight.
That said, games are beginning to run out. We must find a way of getting a "7 points from 3 games" sort of run pretty quickly otherwise the hill to climb will be too big if it isn't already.
Lack of commitment no longer seems to be a major issue. Lack of quality in certain areas is
Tom Crawford, however, is beginning to look like a real gem. Wherever we end up, he will be a huge asset.
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Post by Jack on Feb 20, 2018 23:14:33 GMT
It wasn't all negative tonight, but for all our effort we didn't trouble them too much.
I would love to know why, for the last 2 and a half seasons, we are never first to a second ball. Whether it's on the edge of our box or theirs, it always falls to the opposition. No idea if its tactical or fitness related, but it can't be luck. Teams pen us in so easily.
We did okay in spells and nobody could question the effort of any of them, but not enough quality to make that final pass. Hannah was well off his game, first touch was poor all night. We need him firing if we're to stand a chance against good teams.
Also, I'm absolutely done with Harry White. I'm sure he's a lovely lad but he's just nowhere near good enough at this level. As soon as he came on, any momentum we had just fell away. I was also absolutely convinced he bottled a challenge seconds after coming on, just before their goal. I'd have to see the replay, perhaps I'm being harsh, but it absolutely looked like his ball and he just didn't want to know.
We've improved, but we have to do more to get behind our opposition. Hopeful clipped balls down the channels are fine every so often, but it was clear it wasn't working tonight and there wasn't a plan B.
Absolutely agree about Tom Crawford. What a player!
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 20, 2018 23:18:06 GMT
Let's hope Tranmere don't come in for him and offer £500. Hope he stays here for a while.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 20, 2018 23:26:28 GMT
I’m disappointed with the outcome tonight. False hope just had to kill us, but the players did show a lot of effort. We did play really well in the first half and played some good attacking football. We were making good movements and I thought that we would win. However, something just wasn’t right in the second period. Give Orient their due, they did deserve the win but we seemed a bit lethargic. We had lost our shape a little and were far too deep. Leyton Orient had a lot of possession for the majority of the second half. To be fair though, our team was unchanged from Saturday and I did sense a bit of tiredness in them, but it’s disappointing to lose to a team who we could win against on another day. Results did not go our way again sadly and it’s looking too late. Still 12 games to go yet, but survival doesn’t look likely. Quite a tricky away trip lies ahead at Dagenham on Saturday. Hopefully it will be a chance to refresh ourselves and improve from our errors today. In case anyone is wondering, I’m not going on the Hipkiss for this one, but will be travelling down alternatively.
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Post by hblock on Feb 20, 2018 23:30:05 GMT
The sooner this season is over the better IMO, we have been much improved the past two games but obviously still not good enough. Fair play to their fans, raising £265+ for us and nice to see a decent away following for a change.
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Post by rcb on Feb 20, 2018 23:31:23 GMT
I’m disappointed with the outcome tonight. False hope just had to kill us, but the players did show a lot of effort. We did play really well in the first half and played some good attacking football. We were making good movements and I thought that we would win. However, something just wasn’t right in the second period. Give Orient their due, they did deserve the win but we seemed a bit lethargic. We had lost our shape a little and were far too deep. Leyton Orient had a lot of possession for the majority of the second half. To be fair though, our team was unchanged from Saturday and I did sense a bit of tiredness in them, but it’s disappointing to lose to a team who we could win against on another day. Results did not go our way again sadly and it’s looking too late. Still 13 games to go yet, but survival doesn’t look likely. Quite a tricky away trip lies ahead at Dagenham on Saturday. Hopefully it will be a chance to refresh ourselves and improve from our errors today. In case anyone is wondering, I’m not going on the Hipkiss for this one, but will be travelling down alternatively. Sorry Rio, only 12 games left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 23:34:07 GMT
How did Vose do?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 20, 2018 23:40:25 GMT
I’m disappointed with the outcome tonight. False hope just had to kill us, but the players did show a lot of effort. We did play really well in the first half and played some good attacking football. We were making good movements and I thought that we would win. However, something just wasn’t right in the second period. Give Orient their due, they did deserve the win but we seemed a bit lethargic. We had lost our shape a little and were far too deep. Leyton Orient had a lot of possession for the majority of the second half. To be fair though, our team was unchanged from Saturday and I did sense a bit of tiredness in them, but it’s disappointing to lose to a team who we could win against on another day. Results did not go our way again sadly and it’s looking too late. Still 13 games to go yet, but survival doesn’t look likely. Quite a tricky away trip lies ahead at Dagenham on Saturday. Hopefully it will be a chance to refresh ourselves and improve from our errors today. In case anyone is wondering, I’m not going on the Hipkiss for this one, but will be travelling down alternatively. Sorry Rio, only 12 games left. Oops that was a typo 😀.
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Post by tarvinblue on Feb 21, 2018 7:26:36 GMT
It wasn't all negative tonight, but for all our effort we didn't trouble them too much. I would love to know why, for the last 2 and a half seasons, we are never first to a second ball. Whether it's on the edge of our box or theirs, it always falls to the opposition. No idea if its tactical or fitness related, but it can't be luck. Teams pen us in so easily. We did okay in spells and nobody could question the effort of any of them, but not enough quality to make that final pass. Hannah was well off his game, first touch was poor all night. We need him firing if we're to stand a chance against good teams. Also, I'm absolutely done with Harry White. I'm sure he's a lovely lad but he's just nowhere near good enough at this level. As soon as he came on, any momentum we had just fell away. I was also absolutely convinced he bottled a challenge seconds after coming on, just before their goal. I'd have to see the replay, perhaps I'm being harsh, but it absolutely looked like his ball and he just didn't want to know. We've improved, but we have to do more to get behind our opposition. Hopeful clipped balls down the channels are fine every so often, but it was clear it wasn't working tonight and there wasn't a plan B. Absolutely agree about Tom Crawford. What a player! The Harry White lack of effort is what I saw as well. Pulled out of a crucial tackle that led to the cross where we conceded. Then failed to control the one decent ball knocked forward all night and generally looked disinterested in joining the battle. Players like him have cost us all season. Needs shipping out asap.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Feb 21, 2018 7:35:30 GMT
It wasn't all negative tonight, but for all our effort we didn't trouble them too much. I would love to know why, for the last 2 and a half seasons, we are never first to a second ball. Whether it's on the edge of our box or theirs, it always falls to the opposition. No idea if its tactical or fitness related, but it can't be luck. Teams pen us in so easily. We did okay in spells and nobody could question the effort of any of them, but not enough quality to make that final pass. Hannah was well off his game, first touch was poor all night. We need him firing if we're to stand a chance against good teams. Also, I'm absolutely done with Harry White. I'm sure he's a lovely lad but he's just nowhere near good enough at this level. As soon as he came on, any momentum we had just fell away. I was also absolutely convinced he bottled a challenge seconds after coming on, just before their goal. I'd have to see the replay, perhaps I'm being harsh, but it absolutely looked like his ball and he just didn't want to know. We've improved, but we have to do more to get behind our opposition. Hopeful clipped balls down the channels are fine every so often, but it was clear it wasn't working tonight and there wasn't a plan B. Absolutely agree about Tom Crawford. What a player! The Harry White lack of effort is what I saw as well. Pulled out of a crucial tackle that led to the cross where we conceded. Then failed to control the one decent ball knocked forward all night and generally looked disinterested in joining the battle. Players like him have cost us all season. Needs shipping out asap. As I've said before, he's a carthorse and is absolutely not what we need in this division - or the division below. The only thing you could maybe say for him is that he's marginally better than Craig Hobson. I'd also throw Akintunde in to the category of not good enough for next season - wherever we end up. Has the lad ever beat a man one on one?
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Post by thebluevision on Feb 21, 2018 7:42:38 GMT
I’ll add to that I thought Matty Waters looked bright when he came on as a sub at left wing back, put a couple of teasing crosses in late on
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 21, 2018 7:52:41 GMT
The Harry White lack of effort is what I saw as well. Pulled out of a crucial tackle that led to the cross where we conceded. Then failed to control the one decent ball knocked forward all night and generally looked disinterested in joining the battle. Players like him have cost us all season. Needs shipping out asap. As I've said before, he's a carthorse and is absolutely not what we need in this division - or the division below. The only thing you could maybe say for him is that he's marginally better than Craig Hobson. I'd also throw Akintunde in to the category of not good enough for next season - wherever we end up. Has the lad ever beat a man one on one? Aye Akintunde was supposed to kick on this season, but he's gone backwards.
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Post by bing on Feb 21, 2018 8:17:33 GMT
Crawford and Jones are fast becoming the saving grace this season.
Whether we play at level 5 or 6 next season, getting young lads like these into the side on relatively low wages, giving them the chance to springboard their careers has to be the future vision for the club, hopefully earning us some decent transfer fees along the way.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Feb 21, 2018 8:44:44 GMT
Exactly right. Both Tom Crawford and Jones have been excellent and are more than capable of playing, in this league .Matty Waters is also developing. If it were me, I would be looking to blood the likes of Cain Noble, Dobson etc. And could Marsh Hughes be any worse than Harry White? You would take Archer, Astles, Gary Roberts and possibly Vose and build a team around them.
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Post by devadiva on Feb 21, 2018 9:59:19 GMT
No lack of effort and much improved from a few weeks ago. Lacked quality in the final third Needed Mahon and Vose to take the game to Orient. which they didnt really do. Vose is quality but it didnt really come off for him tonight, on another day it will. Roberts and the excellent Tom Crawford kept it ticking over in midfield. but we didnt really create enough or put a decent Orient team under any sustained pressure. Just a pity this team wasnt put together 2 months ago and we would have had a decent chance of staying up. Special shout out for Tom Crawford whose passing, distribution, technical ability and vision , is way beyond his years. Easily MOM and will definately play at a much higher level. You could build a team around him and Gary Roberts. Roberts with his experience and quality is a latter day Paul Carden and for me has done more to justify a contract, in 3 matches than James Dawson and Turnbull have done in 6 months Agree with all that. My only addition would be that Vose and Mahon needed to give us width but didn’t and despite his skill Vose lost the ball too often and slowed the ball down at times when a quick pass would have kept up our attacking momentum. Orient’sdefence was excellent (esp thier number 2) and giving them time to get back and get organised was never going to help us.
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