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Post by chester1983 on Aug 27, 2018 13:36:06 GMT
All, I’ve been going to watch Chester for 30 years and this is my first post but I feel I need to vent my opinion fad this forum is starting to get me down
Yes we have been a team with many ups and downs with especially more downs then ups, but one thing is really starting to bug me is the fickle nature of our own fans.
Last year pre season we had a great team and the thought was we would do well! Then we’ll we all knew what happened and over night it’s the worst team ever, the worst manager ever and so on
Before this Youngie was a legend and the best manager ever, after a bad start he needed to go and didn’t have a clue so on and so on
Burr the same etc etc .....
When the two Salford lads were appointed it was the best thing to happen to this club, the players we had are the best we ever had, then I read comments saying the keeper is the best around, the midfield and defensive is the best to be seen at the Deva, then it starts again....
Keeper crap blah blah bla Defence terrible bla bla bla Midfielders not good enough bla bla bla The managers haven’t a clue bla bla bla
All this after a couple of games, it’s depressing it gets you down, I am not sure what has happened to our fans, we used to be fun and a good laugh, we have turned into a negative bunch who are happiest slagging off everything about our club at the first opportunity! If new fans read this forum I wouldn’t blame them for not watching Chester as it’s so negative!
It’s boring get behind this club and managers and players, and judge them over the season not after a couple of games te negativity doesn’t help anyone. Everything and everyone can’t be awful after a few games
I bloody agree with the GKs wife
A bunch of virgin keyboard warriors
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Post by noddy on Aug 27, 2018 13:37:42 GMT
All, I’ve been going to watch Chester for 30 years and this is my first post but I feel I need to vent my opinion fad this forum is starting to get me down Yes we have been a team with many ups and downs with especially more downs then ups, but one thing is really starting to bug me is the fickle nature of our own fans. Last year pre season we had a great team and the thought was we would do well! Then we’ll we all knew what happened and over night it’s the worst team ever, the worst manager ever and so on Before this Youngie was a legend and the best manager ever, after a bad start he needed to go and didn’t have a clue so on and so on Burr the same etc etc ..... When the two Salford lads were appointed it was the best thing to happen to this club, the players we had are the best we ever had, then I read comments saying the keeper is the best around, the midfield and defensive is the best to be seen at the Deva, then it starts again.... Keeper crap blah blah bla Defence terrible bla bla bla Midfielders not good enough bla bla bla The managers haven’t a clue bla bla bla All this after a couple of games, it’s depressing it gets you down, I am not sure what has happened to our fans, we used to be fun and a good laugh, we have turned into a negative bunch who are happiest slagging off everything about our club at the first opportunity! If new fans read this forum I wouldn’t blame them for not watching Chester as it’s so negative! It’s boring get behind this club and managers and players, and judge them over the season not after a couple of games te negativity doesn’t help anyone. Everything and everyone can’t be awful after a few games I bloody agree with the GKs wife A bunch of virgin keyboard warriors
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 27, 2018 13:42:55 GMT
There was one moment in the first half Saturday where Liversey calmly shielded the ball from a set piece and let Shenton pick it up. No issue, well dealt with. As Shenton picks it up one fan, a proper grown up human being, shouts "RUBBISH". Probably sums up the short fuse, right there. Yet to work out what was rubbish.
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Post by noddy on Aug 27, 2018 13:46:06 GMT
To a degree I totally agree with what your saying Chester1983. My criticisms I feel anyway are constructive, and I try not to get too excited when we win or it's the end of the world when we do get beat. My main gripe though as I have said and I did say before a ball was kicked was the much of a muchness in midfield and again a Chester side lacking in pace all over the field.That has nothing to do with budget, that just comes down to recruitment and coming from 2 guys who have had success in this league previously I find it baffling potentially they have got it wrong initially though I do expect things to improve result and performance wise as the season progresses.
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Post by goalpost on Aug 27, 2018 13:54:25 GMT
To be fair your not exclusive at Chester , Wrexham , Manchester United etc . Are the same . Unfortunatley the way football is nowadays a lot of fans are great when things going well but as soon as things aren’t say concede 2 goals in a game it’s the end of the world.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Aug 27, 2018 13:58:06 GMT
Am amazed that little mention has been made of the very limited budget the guys had to build a whole new squad.
And yet I think this is a very relevant fact in defence of our managers.
In saying that I am confident that performances will improve as the rustiness of not playing for a couple of weeks nor together as a tried and tested unit wears off and the players start to gel.
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Post by noddy on Aug 27, 2018 14:01:58 GMT
Am amazed that little mention has been made of the very limited budget the guys had to build a whole new squad. And yet I think this is a very relevant fact in defence of our managers. In saying that I am confident that performances will improve as the rustiness of not playing for a couple of weeks nor together as a tried and tested unit wears off and the players start to gel. Let's not use the limited budget line again, the managers were more than happy with what it was, and that doesn't excuse the lack of pace or size in the side.
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Post by Jack on Aug 27, 2018 14:18:31 GMT
I think it's just a result of the awful few years we've had. To be able to have any kind of perspective, you have to have had good times and bad times and rationally judge what you are seeing.
But there's been absolutely no good times for about 4 seasons now and people have short fuses.
I absolutely agree that a lot of it was senseless on Saturday though, and that we need to get behind these lads - we saw at Curzon that they can more than compete at this level.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 27, 2018 14:18:43 GMT
You spoilt what was a great post with your last line.
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Post by trev on Aug 27, 2018 14:57:09 GMT
Am amazed that little mention has been made of the very limited budget the guys had to build a whole new squad. And yet I think this is a very relevant fact in defence of our managers. In saying that I am confident that performances will improve as the rustiness of not playing for a couple of weeks nor together as a tried and tested unit wears off and the players start to gel I thought it was said for this division we had a competitive, albeit middling budget. So clearly doesn't excuse recent performances. At the moment there is a nagging deja vu feeling with way this team looks and a management team so lacking in tactical nous.
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Post by bitbbh on Aug 27, 2018 15:31:05 GMT
All, I’ve been going to watch Chester for 30 years and this is my first post but I feel I need to vent my opinion fad this forum is starting to get me down Yes we have been a team with many ups and downs with especially more downs then ups, but one thing is really starting to bug me is the fickle nature of our own fans. Last year pre season we had a great team and the thought was we would do well! Then we’ll we all knew what happened and over night it’s the worst team ever, the worst manager ever and so on Before this Youngie was a legend and the best manager ever, after a bad start he needed to go and didn’t have a clue so on and so on Burr the same etc etc ..... When the two Salford lads were appointed it was the best thing to happen to this club, the players we had are the best we ever had, then I read comments saying the keeper is the best around, the midfield and defensive is the best to be seen at the Deva, then it starts again.... Keeper crap blah blah bla Defence terrible bla bla bla Midfielders not good enough bla bla bla The managers haven’t a clue bla bla bla All this after a couple of games, it’s depressing it gets you down, I am not sure what has happened to our fans, we used to be fun and a good laugh, we have turned into a negative bunch who are happiest slagging off everything about our club at the first opportunity! If new fans read this forum I wouldn’t blame them for not watching Chester as it’s so negative! It’s boring get behind this club and managers and players, and judge them over the season not after a couple of games te negativity doesn’t help anyone. Everything and everyone can’t be awful after a few games I bloody agree with the GKs wife A bunch of virgin keyboard warriors Of course there will be negativity after the last two results any fan of any club in the land who would have witnesssed those two performances would have been up in arms and every right to be disgruntled. Eleven goals conceeded and two scored. If you think fans are being fickle because of the last two results then maybe you should just remind yourself of the previous two or three seasons results as maybe being the cataylst for this negativity. Bernard and Jono rightly sang their own praises when they first arrived as they could back them up with results. What we want as fans now is to see them walk the walk as the talk will only get you so far.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 15:31:59 GMT
We were awful last season, the worst, the campaign petered out and after the events earlier in the year there was never any anger displayed from the crowds. Relegation was pretty much accepted and the season couldn't end soon enough.
We had a very positive pre-season and things were looking up, as they usually do for Chester before a season starts.
Then came Blyth, then the damage to the ground and then the first 20 minutes v Telford. I honestly believe a lot of the frustration and anger from last season just came to the surface for a lot of people at the game Saturday. There's been no real time or place to vent their anger before for what happened last season, and for some it felt like enough was enough.
I don't agree with the booing, I hate it, Saturday was vitriolic and didn't help anyone. Calling for the managers heads, especially after 4 games, was and is ridiculous.
Patience is required, it's something the majority of our fans really need to learn, the mentality of our club needs to change, we are where we are and might be for a while, it's going to be a tough league to get out of. We need to accept that and just enjoy the ride.
This culture of booing the team after a bad half and getting on the players back after one mistake really has to stop. This is a completely different Chester to the one we suffered last season, it's a process and it'll be a long one (Murphy saying he wants us out of the league first time isn't helping)
Personally I think the tide will turn in our favour. Lads returning from injury, suspension and Smalley getting clearance will give us a much stronger squad. A good run of home games coming up where the fans really need to get behind their team from the off, be the 12th man as it were, and Morley and Johnson having a better idea of their best XI.
Lets us all move on from Telford, stick together, the team needs us more than ever COYB and UTFS!!
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Post by btb on Aug 27, 2018 15:42:08 GMT
I think a lot of Saturday was a follow on from The Blyth result. A result which is probably up there with one of the worst in our history. It obviously doesn’t help though when we get on their backs and In the cold light of day I think we all know that. For their part, the management need to find what their best 11, shape and formation are, soon. And the players need to stop making the most basic of errors. Blyth was a horror show and we literally gave Telford three goals and in the games I’ve seen some of our passing has been woeful. For our part, we need to be a bit more patient with them and get behind them. Fair play to the support on Saturday because some got behind them for 90 minutes and I take my hat off to them. I’m critical of the two managers so far and I base that on what I’ve seen. We can talk budget all day long. In my opinion and without knowing the exact numbers I think it was good enough to compete. 8-1 at Blyth and the first half Saturday is not competitive and something has to change. But that said, I like the two managers. They come across very well when they speak to the media and they quite obviously care a great deal. Let’s hope for a few positive results or at least performances. A home game would help a great deal.
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Post by g1 on Aug 27, 2018 16:33:09 GMT
Am amazed that little mention has been made of the very limited budget the guys had to build a whole new squad. And yet I think this is a very relevant fact in defence of our managers. In saying that I am confident that performances will improve as the rustiness of not playing for a couple of weeks nor together as a tried and tested unit wears off and the players start to gel. Let's not use the limited budget line again, the managers were more than happy with what it was, and that doesn't excuse the lack of pace or size in the side. can't keep using the budget as an excuse last year we had a massive budget Macclesfield had a smaller budget and went up we got relegated on our budget last year doesn't wash with me sorry
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 16:58:15 GMT
My view, for what it's worth, is that it's not just fickle fans but impatient ones too. We're living in an era where people demand instant success fuelled by media hype etc and, dare I say it, social media whipping itself into a frenzy on the slightest issue. People, some of whom are probably old enough to know better, need to recognise that success is not a "right", it has to be worked at and earned. As I've said before, along with many others, criticise by all means (I do, like many others) but at least attempt to take a realistic view of how and where we are as a club, continue to give your support and look forward into the future. Difficult, I know, but that's how I see it.
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Post by rcb on Aug 27, 2018 17:13:15 GMT
Simple difference between a reason and an excuse. I too see budget as an excuse (incidentally it is being used by some fans, not by management). I had hopes, however, of the management duo having a broader range of scouting than simply picking up ex employees. Four games down, so I’m reserving judgement for when it is closer to ten, but currently disappointed. Excellent point made in regard to Macclesfield last year.
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Post by glanaber1 on Aug 27, 2018 17:47:58 GMT
I find it so sad that all so called fans do is moan moan moan as if it helps , The players we have now need time to find there feet and blend as a group that includes the managers , I find it like last year that there are so many keyboard warriors on here with just the one thing in mind MOAN well lets give the team support and make judgements when we are mid season !!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 54321 on Aug 27, 2018 17:58:39 GMT
Fully agree
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Post by Captain Duff on Aug 27, 2018 18:22:49 GMT
Simple difference between a reason and an excuse. I too see budget as an excuse (incidentally it is being used by some fans, not by management). I had hopes, however, of the management duo having a broader range of scouting than simply picking up ex employees. Four games down, so I’m reserving judgement for when it is closer to ten, but currently disappointed. Excellent point made in regard to Macclesfield last year. Agreed. It was the recruitment policy that first set my alarm bells ringing with these two, yes you expect some ex-Salford/Ramsbottom players, but we have a lot (and they do not appear to be ones that their former clubs will miss). But the tactical issues have been even more concerning. Poor formations, poor use of subs, not changing things when they aren't working (like at Blyth, although such was the complete ineptitude from players and managers I'm still wondering if a far east betting scam was in play). Those talking about new players bedding in as an excuse, did you miss the massive turnover of players under Young perhaps? We had plenty of new players then, but we still won an awful lot of games. I was willing to give the current managers until Christmas, but 10 games seems about right in light of recent results (and they may well be gone by Christmas in any case).
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Post by jayhawks on Aug 27, 2018 19:07:50 GMT
I think many fans including myself have reach saturation point. Over a 20 month period we have only seen about 5 home victories in approx 30 matches and that's not including pre season friendlies. Supporting a football team is all about being entertained and we ain't seen much of that lately.
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Post by jabber on Aug 27, 2018 21:14:50 GMT
the facts are we've had a couple of shit seasons and the arrival of the new managers have given us hope. The hope has turned into massive expectations but it hasn't been what people expected and obviously wants. All this has resulted in people's reactions and emotions. It's a new team and it's going to take time to sort, I didn't expect us to hammer teams or get hammered either but I do expect it will take time to improve. Therefore I will be a bit patient because I support Chester and love the club but I agree they will judged on performances over time and I'm sure the board will too
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Post by Captain Duff on Aug 28, 2018 9:06:10 GMT
the facts are we've had a couple of shit seasons and the arrival of the new managers have given us hope. The hope has turned into massive expectations but it hasn't been what people expected and obviously wants. All this has resulted in people's reactions and emotions. It's a new team and it's going to take time to sort, I didn't expect us to hammer teams or get hammered either but I do expect it will take time to improve. Therefore I will be a bit patient because I support Chester and love the club but I agree they will judged on performances over time and I'm sure the board will too . Excuses, excuses. If you were around at the time then you may remember that when we were last in the Conference North, Neil Young in his normal manner had assembled what was basically a completely new team. We won the first 7 games.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 28, 2018 9:44:52 GMT
the facts are we've had a couple of shit seasons and the arrival of the new managers have given us hope. The hope has turned into massive expectations but it hasn't been what people expected and obviously wants. All this has resulted in people's reactions and emotions. It's a new team and it's going to take time to sort, I didn't expect us to hammer teams or get hammered either but I do expect it will take time to improve. Therefore I will be a bit patient because I support Chester and love the club but I agree they will judged on performances over time and I'm sure the board will too . Excuses, excuses. If you were around at the time then you may remember that when we were last in the Conference North, Neil Young in his normal manner had assembled what was basically a completely new team. We won the first 7 games. I think this Conference North is a completely different proposition to the one we were in 6 years ago.
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Post by Derry Blue on Aug 28, 2018 9:48:24 GMT
Am amazed that little mention has been made of the very limited budget the guys had to build a whole new squad. And yet I think this is a very relevant fact in defence of our managers. In saying that I am confident that performances will improve as the rustiness of not playing for a couple of weeks nor together as a tried and tested unit wears off and the players start to gel. Ah, the eternal scapegoat - 'the budget'.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Aug 28, 2018 10:43:49 GMT
the facts are we've had a couple of shit seasons and the arrival of the new managers have given us hope. The hope has turned into massive expectations but it hasn't been what people expected and obviously wants. All this has resulted in people's reactions and emotions. It's a new team and it's going to take time to sort, I didn't expect us to hammer teams or get hammered either but I do expect it will take time to improve. Therefore I will be a bit patient because I support Chester and love the club but I agree they will judged on performances over time and I'm sure the board will too . Excuses, excuses. If you were around at the time then you may remember that when we were last in the Conference North, Neil Young in his normal manner had assembled what was basically a completely new team. We won the first 7 games. To be fair though Captain, what Neil did in those 3 seasons was nothing short of miraculous. Most recognised that at the time but those who thought, to this day, that it was all about budget may start to realise the magnitude of his achievements. Let's hope the current managers can get us on track.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 28, 2018 11:08:54 GMT
I think you can have a moan, even get annoyed when we get heavily beat like at Blyth. However, the way some people go about it is so childish. Rio shows more maturity on here at some people and he's what, 15?
I think we need a reality check, when the duo came in we were all excited for this season, but Jesus Christ, they've had FOUR games with a brand new assembles squad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 11:21:50 GMT
I think the general concensus around most I speak to was to give them 10 games and see how it settles down. I'm fully prepared to do that, but have a few similar questions to the above that need to be answered.
What I really didn't like was Bernard Morley gesticulating towards our end following the third Telford goal on Saturday (did you see it Bernard? The players never knew who was taking it, when Smalley did take it he hit the first mans feet, three touches later the ball is in our net).
The pair of them then marched straight off the pitch without so much of a wave of acknowledgement for our (very sizeable) support. I know some of our fans were in very poor form Saturday, but the rest of us had spent a lot of money and a full day of our lives to support them. Its nothing in the scheme of things, but little things often fester.
Upwards and onwards to Marcus Bigshot on Saturday. Could really do with working it right up him and his team, and maybe see a Kingsley James own goal and red card...
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Post by Lobster on Aug 28, 2018 11:29:24 GMT
The budget is still a factor and although the managers (to their credit) haven't mentioned it, it's misguided to pretend it isn't. We had to pay off Hannah and James out of what we're paying players this year, and it was already a very modest 250K or so wasn't it? You can't complain that we're signing players who didn't make the grade at Salford when you consider the resources we have available in comparison to them. The ghost of McCarthy and Maguire does live on, I'm afraid.
It doesn't excuse an 8-1 defeat at Blyth though, nor the players not knowing who's taking a corner - in fact that was something I noticed in the Spennymoor game.
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Post by Anders on Aug 28, 2018 11:48:26 GMT
I think the general concensus around most I speak to was to give them 10 games and see how it settles down. I'm fully prepared to do that, but have a few similar questions to the above that need to be answered. What I really didn't like was Bernard Morley gesticulating towards our end following the third Telford goal on Saturday (did you see it Bernard? The players never knew who was taking it, when Smalley did take it he hit the first mans feet, three touches later the ball is in our net). The pair of them then marched straight off the pitch without so much of a wave of acknowledgement for our (very sizeable) support. I know some of our fans were in very poor form Saturday, but the rest of us had spent a lot of money and a full day of our lives to support them. Its nothing in the scheme of things, but little things often fester. Upwards and onwards to Marcus Bigshot on Saturday. Could really do with working it right up him and his team, and maybe see a Kingsley James own goal and red card... Morley was visibly hacked off but Johnson definitely turned around and applauded as he was nearing the tunnel.
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Post by Anders on Aug 28, 2018 12:30:26 GMT
It does appear to be a bit of a witch hunt already. First someone saying that players were refusing to train in Chester and now the managers not applauding the fans when they/he did.! To be fair it wasn't obvious, he was right next to the tunnel out of sight to many.
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