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Post by rcb on Aug 28, 2018 12:31:21 GMT
Quite sad to see criticism of fans who are concerned at what is undoubtedly a poor start. Only four games in and already the tried and tested excuses are in full show, from the usual suspects. Last year we had to hail the new messiah because he won the league with Solihull, and the same this year with the winners with Salford. I’m not interested in historical nonsense and I’m not interested in excuses. Other than more tattoos on show, and elastic topped colourful shoes, there is no more football on show at this level than six years ago. Deluded if you think this feeble excuse is true. Like Marcus last year who promised his ability would get much more out of the inherited squad, so too have the current incumbents said they are happy with the budget and the squad they have built. They certainly can’t be surprised at the standard in this league. My judgement will be exclusively based on the opening ten games, and so far I’m not impressed. They say the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and so far we have just finished the starter.
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Post by Si on Aug 28, 2018 15:14:17 GMT
Quite sad to see criticism of fans who are concerned at what is undoubtedly a poor start. Only four games in and already the tried and tested excuses are in full show, from the usual suspects. Last year we had to hail the new messiah because he won the league with Solihull, and the same this year with the winners with Salford. I’m not interested in historical nonsense and I’m not interested in excuses. Other than more tattoos on show, and elastic topped colourful shoes, there is no more football on show at this level than six years ago. Deluded if you think this feeble excuse is true. Like Marcus last year who promised his ability would get much more out of the inherited squad, so too have the current incumbents said they are happy with the budget and the squad they have built. They certainly can’t be surprised at the standard in this league. My judgement will be exclusively based on the opening ten games, and so far I’m not impressed. They say the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and so far we have just finished the starter. To be fair, at least the managers aren't using excuses. I watched the interview with Bern after the game and the journalist gave him multiple opportunities to trot out some excuses but he wasn't having it. I find that much more refreshing than the likes of McCarthy who just said we were outstanding after every game regardless of results. They aren't daft, Bern said himself that he can see its not right. It's their job to put it right, and it's only fair we give them the chance to do that without trying to hound them out of the club. There's certain things that they are responsible for such as the organisation of set pieces and shape. They recognised the shape wasn't working after the Blyth game and have tried something different - ok it didn't work but I don't think you can blame the managers for the individual mistakes that led to the goals on Saturday. There's a level of trust you give to your players to do the job once they cross the white line and I certainly don't blame Bern and Johnno for Scott Burton poking a clearance away rather than launching it. There are valid excuses to be used though - we've played one game at home so far due to circumstances out of their control, and lost out of some vital match fitness at this stage of the season. No manager ever manages perfect recruitment, and with forming an entirely new squad from scratch it was obvious that some might not work out as planned, and they are learning who can and can't do a job for us. And I disagree with your comment about the strength of this league compared to 6 years ago - its massively different. There's a lot of big established clubs at this level now, not to mention a good number of full time clubs which was unheard of 6 years ago. We were a big fish back then in terms of fanbase and stature, but now we just blend in with your Darlington, York, Stockport's etc. Also, would we be talking like this if say we'd lost 0-2 at Blyth? I suspect not. It's entirely understandable to be hurt and embarrassed after what was probably the worst result in our history, but ultimately it's one result and we have to move past it. We had an ideal opportunity days later against Kiddie to put that result right and then mother nature denied us that. My feeling that we'll get it right, but I don't think we'll be troubling those top places. I think we'll stabilise and finish mid table, which I would take right now!
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Post by superman on Aug 28, 2018 15:50:10 GMT
Think I posted previously that we need to have patience. Although like everyone else I yearned for immediate on field success, I have always felt it likely that this new squad will probably only start to deliver consistently in the second half of the season. Ten games may not be enough to sort out all the issues including injuries, suspensions, registrations and best formation. Providing we are not in the complete doo-doo in January, I would stick with the current Management Team for the whole season and review then. Need to try and get behind players and management and not go OTT with negative stuff. Trying times at the moment but got to stick with it.
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Post by Captain Duff on Aug 28, 2018 16:01:44 GMT
The landscape of non-league football has changed a lot in the last 5 years. I don't doubt it is no a harder league, and that there are more clubs with deeper pockets than us currently in it, but equally the landscape has not changed to the extent that a Chester team should ever in a million years lose 8-1 to Blyth flippin' Spartans.
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Post by apburke on Aug 28, 2018 16:40:09 GMT
The fans aren't fickle. They've stayed with Chester through some pretty thin times in the past four years, not to mention the twenty (or thirty, or fifty) before that.
Let's get it in proportion. I was talking to someone who spent Saturday's match in the main stand and he said he was barely aware of any abuse from behind the goal. And I was impressed by the number who stayed behind on the terrace and in the seats for a good few minutes to wait for the players to get to the tunnel to applaud them off.
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Post by chesterken on Aug 28, 2018 16:44:31 GMT
I think we need to get another forward in sooner than later it would give the team and the fans a lift, there must be someone out there who could do a job for us make it happen boys.
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Post by billyw on Aug 28, 2018 18:13:37 GMT
I think we need to get another forward in sooner than later it would give the team and the fans a lift, there must be someone out there who could do a job for us make it happen boys. Agreed 100%. There must be some youngster we can get on loan or do our managers not have the necessary contacts at teams above this league. We are waiting for Smalley to sign and pinning our hopes on him as though he is another Harry Kane, it's time to move on and look elsewhere.
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Post by Jack on Aug 28, 2018 18:34:01 GMT
This is nothing a 1-0 win at Guiseley won't solve. Keep the faith.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 28, 2018 18:55:49 GMT
I think we need to get another forward in sooner than later it would give the team and the fans a lift, there must be someone out there who could do a job for us make it happen boys. It would certainly boost us if we brought somebody in, especially with Tuton no longer with us. Dudley was extremely isolated on Saturday without any service or a partner until young Marsh-Hughes came on. If the Smalley situation still isn’t sorted in time for Guiseley, I’d stick with them two as this is an ideal game for Marsh-Hughes to get some more minutes as his late cameo at Telford improved us up top and beefed us up a little while he wasn’t afraid to get stuck in.
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 28, 2018 19:47:46 GMT
I think we need to get another forward in sooner than later it would give the team and the fans a lift, there must be someone out there who could do a job for us make it happen boys. It would certainly boost us if we brought somebody in, especially with Tuton no longer with us. Dudley was extremely isolated on Saturday without any service or a partner until young Marsh-Hughes came on. If the Smalley situation still isn’t sorted in time for Guiseley, I’d stick with them two as this is an ideal game for Marsh-Hughes to get some more minutes as his late cameo at Telford improved us up top and beefed us up a little while he wasn’t afraid to get stuck in. We’re chasing an evo stik striker.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 28, 2018 21:02:53 GMT
I think we need to get another forward in sooner than later it would give the team and the fans a lift, there must be someone out there who could do a job for us make it happen boys. I think that’s a priority ASAP Ken judged by the latest game at Telford,
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Post by MPW on Aug 28, 2018 21:15:57 GMT
Two new full backs would be good too!
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Post by tonya on Aug 28, 2018 22:15:16 GMT
Perhaps i am being naïve or have missed something but i would have thought we would have assembled a team before the season started that were up to the challenge? I thought the management team were favoured largely on account of their knowledge of the league and would bring in players who would do well from the start. To look for players now you'll probably buy at overinflated prices. Loan deal would be best....
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Post by Lobster on Aug 29, 2018 6:17:19 GMT
Sorry if anyone has already said this and I've missed it, but were we in hindsight a little hasty in carrying out a 'clean sweep' of the squad from last season?
For example, do we have a better left back on the books than Jordan Gough? Could Andy Halls get in this team? What could Akintunde have done at this level?
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 29, 2018 6:59:34 GMT
Sorry if anyone has already said this and I've missed it, but were we in hindsight a little hasty in carrying out a 'clean sweep' of the squad from last season? For example, do we have a better left back on the books than Jordan Gough? Could Andy Halls get in this team? What could Akintunde have done at this level? Andy Halls and Jordan Gough are head and shoulders above Pritchard and Smalley. I can't quite believe I'm writing this but I would have both back tomorrow. I think this is the biggest disappointment though, we cleared out players and put faith in a management duo to bring in better and it appears we have brought in far worse. Pritchard rivals Liam Davies for one of the worst footballers I have seen in a Chester shirt.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 29, 2018 7:12:43 GMT
The managers were always going to bring their own squad in as they clearly wouldn't have known anything about our players and it's fair to say we all trusted them with that considering their recent successes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 7:55:57 GMT
I think the general concensus around most I speak to was to give them 10 games and see how it settles down. I'm fully prepared to do that, but have a few similar questions to the above that need to be answered. What I really didn't like was Bernard Morley gesticulating towards our end following the third Telford goal on Saturday (did you see it Bernard? The players never knew who was taking it, when Smalley did take it he hit the first mans feet, three touches later the ball is in our net). The pair of them then marched straight off the pitch without so much of a wave of acknowledgement for our (very sizeable) support. I know some of our fans were in very poor form Saturday, but the rest of us had spent a lot of money and a full day of our lives to support them. Its nothing in the scheme of things, but little things often fester. Upwards and onwards to Marcus Bigshot on Saturday. Could really do with working it right up him and his team, and maybe see a Kingsley James own goal and red card... Morley was visibly hacked off but Johnson definitely turned around and applauded as he was nearing the tunnel. Didn't see that but fair play to him. I think Bernard Morley (and possibly Mrs Morley amongst others) need to realise that there is a lot of work to be done before a lot of CFC supporters will show patience or forgiveness of management. Even in the first 3 years of reformation, the merest hint of a slip up sent some of our supporters into meltdown. Onwards and upwards, the nearer the weekend gets the more tempting the M62 becomes.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Aug 29, 2018 8:03:13 GMT
To be fair I think Chester supporters have had to endure more setbacks than any other League or non League club. So I would replace the word "fickle" with"frustrated" if not "gutted".
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Post by g1 on Aug 29, 2018 8:15:03 GMT
Sorry if anyone has already said this and I've missed it, but were we in hindsight a little hasty in carrying out a 'clean sweep' of the squad from last season? For example, do we have a better left back on the books than Jordan Gough? Could Andy Halls get in this team? What could Akintunde have done at this level? would have akintunde back now
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Post by g1 on Aug 29, 2018 8:16:13 GMT
Sorry if anyone has already said this and I've missed it, but were we in hindsight a little hasty in carrying out a 'clean sweep' of the squad from last season? For example, do we have a better left back on the books than Jordan Gough? Could Andy Halls get in this team? What could Akintunde have done at this level? Andy Halls and Jordan Gough are head and shoulders above Pritchard and Smalley. I can't quite believe I'm writing this but I would have both back tomorrow. I think this is the biggest disappointment though, we cleared out players and put faith in a management duo to bring in better and it appears we have brought in far worse. Pritchard rivals Liam Davies for one of the worst footballers I have seen in a Chester shirt. would take Gough but not halls sorry went from dreadful to mediocre
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Post by Imperial on Aug 29, 2018 9:59:02 GMT
Andy Halls and Jordan Gough are head and shoulders above Pritchard and Smalley. I can't quite believe I'm writing this but I would have both back tomorrow. I think this is the biggest disappointment though, we cleared out players and put faith in a management duo to bring in better and it appears we have brought in far worse. Pritchard rivals Liam Davies for one of the worst footballers I have seen in a Chester shirt. would take Gough but not halls sorry went from dreadful to mediocre Completely agree. Gough was a decent tackling full back when not injured. Andy Halls was absolutely crap for the entire first half of the season & who looked far better under Bignot but Smalley is a better RB for me.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 29, 2018 14:03:32 GMT
Agree on Gough, he wanted to stay and was solid and relatively cheap.
I wouldn’t say Chester fans are fickle, they revel in being miserable - you could tell the NY years were unbearable so they’d find other things to moan about like pies or pat cluskey etc.
Now some fans are well and truly in their element.
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Post by billyw on Aug 29, 2018 15:22:36 GMT
To be fair I think Chester supporters have had to endure more setbacks than any other League or non League club. So I would replace the word "fickle" with"frustrated" if not "gutted". Quite right. OK, one or two may have overstepped the mark but I don't think there is any need to beat ourselves up. We have gone through hell for a few years and just when a glimmer of optimism appeared, it was snatched away at Blyth and to a lesser extent at Telford. Can anyone really blame the fans for being frustrated and I'm damn sure fans at other clubs in similar circumstances would have reacted in the same way and probably a hell of a lot worse. if Mrs Morley and Mrs Henson don't like life in the real football world with real football fans, perhaps they should stay away and stick to watching village teams where there is no pressure.
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