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Post by alancfc on Jul 12, 2019 8:18:59 GMT
Two former blues Sean McConville and Offrande Zanzala scored in Stanleys memorable win over Marseille last night (friendly albeit). Can remember both being slated by sections of our fans during their time here, now the pair of'em are league 1 players; we are too critical as a fanbase thats for sure! link |
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Post by rcb on Jul 12, 2019 9:05:46 GMT
Liking, or not liking, any player is an interesting and complex personal issue, and we all have our own opinions on who we like or otherwise. I liked McConville but was quite indifferent towards Zanzala, but great to see the progress and success they have both had in recent times.
Skill and success isn’t always what inspires people to like certain players. I suppose it’s all down to entertainment value. Negative attributes do nothing to entertain me, I hate one footed players who will try and use the outside of the ‘wrong foot’ rather that use the obvious foot. Philiipe Coutinho springs to mind. No matter how good he is with his right foot, I dislike him because he ignores his left foot. I loved the attitude and commitment of Michael Powell here a few years ago. Skill wise not the best, but he was worth paying the admission fee. If it was only skill, quality, and success that we all wanted then Chester FC would never have any supporters. Who is going to inspire us this season?
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Post by Imperial on Jul 12, 2019 10:39:09 GMT
It is entirely possible for players to be poor at one club and do better at another. Look at Jon Walters. Or the other way round, John Rooney for example.
I don’t remember all that much about SM but I do remember not thinking he was up to much & Zanzala did nothing in his short spell with us. Now that could be for many reasons, the players could have improved, their mentality might be better at a club not in crisis, the players around them might suit their game better, it could be any one or more of hundreds of things.
The idea that our fan base is overly critical is daft. We’re no worse than any other set of fans & some players, however talented, deserve criticism.
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Post by henry on Jul 12, 2019 10:44:48 GMT
Quality players need to play with quality team mates - players who can see the game unfold infront of them and know when to release the ball for the "killer pass".
Ian Rush, as we all know was a prolific scorer when surounded by good players, but couldn't score to save his life at Wrexham!
Jonathan Walters looked a little bit above average, until he moved up the leagues to become a top club and International player
Who would have thought that Lee Dixon would have become England's number one fullback?
The art of scouting is to see, not what is infront of you but what is the potential and what are the player's skill sets, such as quick feet, pace and decision making.
Somebody saw more in McConville than some of his detractors did.
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Post by Si on Jul 12, 2019 11:15:20 GMT
I always liked McConville but don't think playing alongside Rooney did him any favours, and I remember thinking that Rooney would offer more game changing goals and assists therefore wasn't too bothered when McConville left. McConville has always been a neat and tidy footballer and in some ways playing higher up suits his style of play rather than the more physical nature of non-league.
As for Zanzala, he was a young lad who came into a woeful team who were in a relegation battle. I'd never judge a young player in those circumstances. Glad to see him doing well at Accy.
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Post by rhodri on Jul 12, 2019 12:17:50 GMT
I'll never forget McConville's performance in the FA Cup game at Stockport, one of my favourite individual performances in recent years. It was clear the Stockport fans and players hated him, he hated them, and then he went IIRC and scored 2 goals and got an assist. Plus I think he may have got one of their players sent off. He just did not give one about Stockport at all that day
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Post by gezzer on Jul 12, 2019 12:19:32 GMT
Very much horses for courses for me. Through the years there have been many a "next big thing" who, following transfers to a big club, have subsequently disappeared into the abyss. Even Gary Roberts said on the podcast, playing at higher levels is much easier than lower down the pyramid. We've even seen many a "good" player leave us only to come back as average/crap in their second spell.
As for scouting, I recently spoke to one. After 40 years in the job he retired, a couple of seasons later one of his protégés eventually broke through into Evertons first team, the only one in all that time, and he missed out on his bonus due to retirement! still he has lunched out many a time on his story.
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Post by eddieshead on Jul 12, 2019 12:43:51 GMT
Am I right by saying zanzala first game for us was away at Kidderminster when there was not a decent Chester player on show
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Post by devadiva on Jul 12, 2019 16:36:36 GMT
I think that’s right. Of all the debut games to have - poor lad.
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Post by nytram on Jul 12, 2019 16:39:14 GMT
Loved seeing McConville playing behind front two. Waiting for a pass to him which hardly came. But when it did a first pass beating the defence to our forwards to have a chance or even better scoring by a turn of the foot. Great player. Also had games when neither happened which is why some never saw the skill of the player.
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