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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 19, 2022 13:32:39 GMT
Definitely worth a watch, we've had high drama today with the defection to start proceedings and no spoilers but there's a missile sent Johnson's way by someone extremely prominent.
Hopefully we are seeing the end of this clown.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 19, 2022 17:50:50 GMT
Got to admit I'm finding it all quite entertaining. I don't feel the anger or betrayal some people do. The anger for me was that he ever got elected. This is just evidence of why he shouldn't have been elected, and why any party that would make him their leader is unsuitable.
The only part that makes me feel angry is his assertion that people getting vaccinated proves they have faith in him and his government. What an offensive and nonsensical remark.
I'm not sure what to make of the defection. I get how you can lose faith in your party, but the ideologies behind Labour and Tory are completely different. Putting aside what I think about the two parties, I don't think I could take an MP who is that blasé about what they stand for seriously. It also seems a bit disingenuous to me to win the support of your constituents and then change allegiance. What would happen if the ruling party only had a majority by one seat and someone did that? Could the system even be open to misuse by candidates winning "safe" seats and then defecting the party they really support?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 19, 2022 22:51:11 GMT
LOL Labour aren’t even hiding it anymore. Time for Drakey to break away from that absolute shit-show.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 20, 2022 9:56:06 GMT
Got to admit I'm finding it all quite entertaining. I don't feel the anger or betrayal some people do. The anger for me was that he ever got elected. This is just evidence of why he shouldn't have been elected, and why any party that would make him their leader is unsuitable. The only part that makes me feel angry is his assertion that people getting vaccinated proves they have faith in him and his government. What an offensive and nonsensical remark. I'm not sure what to make of the defection. I get how you can lose faith in your party, but the ideologies behind Labour and Tory are completely different. Putting aside what I think about the two parties, I don't think I could take an MP who is that blasé about what they stand for seriously. It also seems a bit disingenuous to me to win the support of your constituents and then change allegiance. What would happen if the ruling party only had a majority by one seat and someone did that? Could the system even be open to misuse by candidates winning "safe" seats and then defecting the party they really support? I think the biggest reason he became electable was a positive mayorship in London which suddenly turned him from running joke into someone who actually could run the country. That and the fact he managed to become the face of Brexit which of course was popular and all of a sudden you have an 80-seat majority. There's plenty of comment out there where the tory party closed their mind to his faults to sort the issues of Theresa May. They continue to do so because of that massive majority and of course the red wall seats he won. I've literally just seen a Bury South constituent say 'Boris is Boris isnt he' [add the accent]. Quite incredible. I've not heard anything regards the vacciation meaning you support government but agree it is nonsence. Boris of course is hanging on to the vaccination procurement for grim death as his saving grace but i think he is also help by nailing Omicron, when there was plenty of hysteria to lock down, its proven he actually (remarkably) made the right call this time. Wholly agree with your points on defection. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 20, 2022 9:58:06 GMT
LOL Labour aren’t even hiding it anymore. Time for Drakey to break away from that absolute shit-show. I saw the response from young labour, the proof will be in whether he holds the seat as to whether it was a smart move or not. Depends whether you value purity of thought over winning elections. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2022 10:27:37 GMT
Got to admit I'm finding it all quite entertaining. I don't feel the anger or betrayal some people do. The anger for me was that he ever got elected. This is just evidence of why he shouldn't have been elected, and why any party that would make him their leader is unsuitable. The only part that makes me feel angry is his assertion that people getting vaccinated proves they have faith in him and his government. What an offensive and nonsensical remark. I'm not sure what to make of the defection. I get how you can lose faith in your party, but the ideologies behind Labour and Tory are completely different. Putting aside what I think about the two parties, I don't think I could take an MP who is that blasé about what they stand for seriously. It also seems a bit disingenuous to me to win the support of your constituents and then change allegiance. What would happen if the ruling party only had a majority by one seat and someone did that? Could the system even be open to misuse by candidates winning "safe" seats and then defecting the party they really support? I think the biggest reason he became electable was a positive mayorship in London which suddenly turned him from running joke into someone who actually could run the country. That and the fact he managed to become the face of Brexit which of course was popular and all of a sudden you have an 80-seat majority. There's plenty of comment out there where the tory party closed their mind to his faults to sort the issues of Theresa May. They continue to do so because of that massive majority and of course the red wall seats he won. I've literally just seen a Bury South constituent say 'Boris is Boris isnt he' [add the accent]. Quite incredible. I've not heard anything regards the vacciation meaning you support government but agree it is nonsence. Boris of course is hanging on to the vaccination procurement for grim death as his saving grace but i think he is also help by nailing Omicron, when there was plenty of hysteria to lock down, its proven he actually (remarkably) made the right call this time. Wholly agree with your points on defection. Johnson said it repeatedly in PMQs yesterday. "The biggest show of confidence people have in us as a government is that so many of them followed our advice to get the vaccine" or words to that effect. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2022 10:37:48 GMT
LOL Labour aren’t even hiding it anymore. Time for Drakey to break away from that absolute shit-show. I saw the response from young labour, the proof will be in whether he holds the seat as to whether it was a smart move or not. Depends whether you value purity of thought over winning elections. One thing I suspect Johnson is right about is that they will win Bury South back at the next election. People who voted Tory there last time will feel betrayed and even more determined to vote Tory again next time. And if you're a lefty, progressive or whatever you want to call it, would you want to vote for someone who has voted pro-austerity and against climate change and asylum seekers' rights? In fact I believe he even voted in favour of a by-election being triggered if an MP defects. It's a brick in the red wall back for Labour but I have a feeling the Tories have done better out of it overall. It's galvanised them and made Labour look like they don't really care who joins them as long as they're not Corbyn. |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 20, 2022 10:57:07 GMT
Voted to starve kids too.
But hey, that’s “electable”.
The reason he has defected is because of a slim majority of about 400 in his red wall seat, and he wants to stay on the gravy train.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 20, 2022 11:08:43 GMT
I think the biggest reason he became electable was a positive mayorship in London which suddenly turned him from running joke into someone who actually could run the country. That and the fact he managed to become the face of Brexit which of course was popular and all of a sudden you have an 80-seat majority. There's plenty of comment out there where the tory party closed their mind to his faults to sort the issues of Theresa May. They continue to do so because of that massive majority and of course the red wall seats he won. I've literally just seen a Bury South constituent say 'Boris is Boris isnt he' [add the accent]. Quite incredible. I've not heard anything regards the vacciation meaning you support government but agree it is nonsence. Boris of course is hanging on to the vaccination procurement for grim death as his saving grace but i think he is also help by nailing Omicron, when there was plenty of hysteria to lock down, its proven he actually (remarkably) made the right call this time. Wholly agree with your points on defection. Johnson said it repeatedly in PMQs yesterday. "The biggest show of confidence people have in us as a government is that so many of them followed our advice to get the vaccine" or words to that effect. Got you. As you say, ridiculous. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 20, 2022 13:28:22 GMT
I've never really watched PMQs before but is it normal to get so many fairly tame questions about local matters from Tory MPs, or was this just a diversionary tactic?
I'm not sure the whole country and the whole of parliament needs to hear about an Armed Forces Day event in Scarborough, for example. It seems a bit like when people at our AGMs start asking about flavours of crisps in the kiosks and when Michael Wilde will be re-signing for us.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 20, 2022 14:49:37 GMT
I've never really watched PMQs before but is it normal to get so many fairly tame questions about local matters from Tory MPs, or was this just a diversionary tactic? I'm not sure the whole country and the whole of parliament needs to hear about an Armed Forces Day event in Scarborough, for example. It seems a bit like when people at our AGMs start asking about flavours of crisps in the kiosks and when Michael Wilde will be re-signing for us. There is often a bit of ball-tickling from minor MPs wanting to get noticed or in this case, to show support. Some do raise local issues and are often directed to the appropriate department/colleague but yes, some use their question for merely sycophantic purposes. |
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Post by Lobster on Jan 27, 2022 10:20:17 GMT
What I saw of yesterday's PMQs just seemed to Trump-style shouting and ignoring questions from Johnson. Probably impresses his supporters, sadly.
He also kept going on about reducing unemployment, which just means even more persecuting people on UC and forcing them into shite zero-hours jobs, as confirmed today. Awful time to be doing anything like this.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jan 27, 2022 13:06:54 GMT
What I saw of yesterday's PMQs just seemed to Trump-style shouting and ignoring questions from Johnson. Probably impresses his supporters, sadly. He also kept going on about reducing unemployment, which just means even more persecuting people on UC and forcing them into shite zero-hours jobs, as confirmed today. Awful time to be doing anything like this. Very much a time to be Trumpian tbf, needs to shout loudly to drown out the criticism. This guy would declare war on Russia to deflect this report |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Jan 27, 2022 18:32:15 GMT
What I saw of yesterday's PMQs just seemed to Trump-style shouting and ignoring questions from Johnson. Probably impresses his supporters, sadly. He also kept going on about reducing unemployment, which just means even more persecuting people on UC and forcing them into shite zero-hours jobs, as confirmed today. Awful time to be doing anything like this. It's a good job we've got Rachel 'Labour will be tougher on benefits than the Tories' Reeves as the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer to really hold them to account...... |
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Post by Al on Feb 4, 2022 7:46:51 GMT
Operation 'save big dog'
Sometimes you've got to know when it's time to put the dog down. Now is that time.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 7, 2022 19:46:13 GMT
So today he's singing, eh? Another distraction for the media to report on.
We've got to get him out before all the platinum jubilee pomp kicks in. He'll cling onto that like a leech.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 8, 2022 7:41:37 GMT
Also, while I'm no fan of Starmer, Johnson's "Jimmy Saville" retort last week was seriously nasty and irresponsible, and you can see the sort of slime it's caused to crawl out of the water.
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Post by lincolnexile on Feb 8, 2022 7:59:36 GMT
Also, while I'm no fan of Starmer, Johnson's "Jimmy Saville" retort last week was seriously nasty and irresponsible, and you can see the sort of slime it's caused to crawl out of the water. What old Boris has done there, regarding the Saville comment, is totally out of order. I can't believe that he wasn't told to retract it during PMQ's at the time. Especially after the speaker of the house had insisted that Ian Blackford retract his statement regarding Boris lying to the Commons during the same session. It just goes to show that Boris will do everything he can to divert attention away from the Downing Street party uproar, and lets face it it appears to be working now that rent-a-mob has got involved. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 8, 2022 8:15:23 GMT
Also, while I'm no fan of Starmer, Johnson's "Jimmy Saville" retort last week was seriously nasty and irresponsible, and you can see the sort of slime it's caused to crawl out of the water. What old Boris has done there, regarding the Saville comment, is totally out of order. I can't believe that he wasn't told to retract it during PMQ's at the time. Especially after the speaker of the house had insisted that Ian Blackford retract his statement regarding Boris lying to the Commons during the same session. It just goes to show that Boris will do everything he can to divert attention away from the Downing Street party uproar, and lets face it it appears to be working now that rent-a-mob has got involved. It's often been said that it's easier to lie to Commons than to accuse someone of lying. Really we should be seeing nationwide protests against the government by now. It's sad that the only people who seem to be protesting are a bunch of loonies. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Feb 8, 2022 8:35:26 GMT
What old Boris has done there, regarding the Saville comment, is totally out of order. I can't believe that he wasn't told to retract it during PMQ's at the time. Especially after the speaker of the house had insisted that Ian Blackford retract his statement regarding Boris lying to the Commons during the same session. It just goes to show that Boris will do everything he can to divert attention away from the Downing Street party uproar, and lets face it it appears to be working now that rent-a-mob has got involved. It's often been said that it's easier to lie to Commons than to accuse someone of lying. Really we should be seeing nationwide protests against the government by now. It's sad that the only people who seem to be protesting are a bunch of loonies. Most people in this country haven't got enough enthusiasm to get involved in a protest, most would rather let other people do it for them and then offer support from behind their keyboard. I'm not having a go at you personally but would you be prepared to organise a protest march against something you disagreed with? I know I wouldn't I'd much rather let someone else do it on my behalf because I'm as lethargic as the majority. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 8, 2022 9:41:46 GMT
It's often been said that it's easier to lie to Commons than to accuse someone of lying. Really we should be seeing nationwide protests against the government by now. It's sad that the only people who seem to be protesting are a bunch of loonies. Most people in this country haven't got enough enthusiasm to get involved in a protest, most would rather let other people do it for them and then offer support from behind their keyboard. I'm not having a go at you personally but would you be prepared to organise a protest march against something you disagreed with? I know I wouldn't I'd much rather let someone else do it on my behalf because I'm as lethargic as the majority. Yes, it's a fair point. I'm aware that I'm waiting for someone else to organise it! |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Feb 8, 2022 11:03:49 GMT
I hope Starmer wasn’t too shaken up by the experience. It must have been an awful shock, to have people hating you as a result of a smear…
😉🥴🥴
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Post by Ian H Block on Feb 8, 2022 12:16:41 GMT
I hope Starmer wasn’t too shaken up by the experience. It must have been an awful shock, to have people hating you as a result of a smear… 😉🥴🥴 No fan of Starmer but I found yesterday’s events very troubling. We are going down the road of US style politics with emboldened tinfoil hat types being tacitly encouraged by Conservative politicians. Regardless of how much Corbyn was hung out to dry by centrists we’ve got to rise above this nonsense and show that we are the better people with better values. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Feb 8, 2022 13:57:25 GMT
I just can't fathom how we've not hit 54 letters yet. Public opinion is down and he continues to bring shame on the party. All it does is make Starmer look more like a PM in waiting.
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Post by lincolnexile on Feb 8, 2022 14:05:01 GMT
I just can't fathom how we've not hit 54 letters yet. Public opinion is down and he continues to bring shame on the party. All it does is make Starmer look more like a PM in waiting. Maybe they're scared that they might end up with Rees-Mogg in charge if they get rid of Boris. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 8, 2022 15:30:49 GMT
I just can't fathom how we've not hit 54 letters yet. Public opinion is down and he continues to bring shame on the party. All it does is make Starmer look more like a PM in waiting. You're assuming they're capable of feeling shame. They're a party full of twats. Less than 1.5% of them voted to feed children during school holidays. Conservatives inherently have no morals or compassion I don't think. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 17, 2022 16:05:24 GMT
Does this seem a bit strange to anyone else? www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-60405521Now, reminding teachers to avoid bias in education doesn't sound a bad thing, but I was thinking it was going to be in response to an incident where a teacher expressed anti-vax views, Holocaust denial or something like that. But actually, the guidance has been updated in response to a group of kids in a Nottingham school writing to their MP to criticise Boris Johnson.
Save Big Dog indeed!
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