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Post by devamug72 on Jul 11, 2023 12:04:41 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 11, 2023 12:35:30 GMT
34 lol
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Post by devamug72 on Jul 11, 2023 13:07:14 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 11, 2023 14:18:53 GMT
A picture would be handy so if he is seen in the ground he could be reported to the relevant authorities for them to deal with
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Post by iandychesterfc on Jul 11, 2023 14:35:42 GMT
A picture would be handy so if he is seen in the ground he could be reported to the relevant authorities for them to deal with This cannot be a serious post. You want to setup a hall of fame for all those of FBOs |
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Post by Matt on Jul 11, 2023 14:41:16 GMT
Literally right by this, he went right into the away end unprovoked. Absolute moron, it's not just the Brackley game but a whole list of incidents have caused this. It's not just us though, a lot of weird behaviour has happened in non league in the last 12 months.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 11, 2023 16:44:41 GMT
A picture would be handy so if he is seen in the ground he could be reported to the relevant authorities for them to deal with This cannot be a serious post. You want to setup a hall of fame for all those of FBOs Don't we need all the help we can get to stop these morons getting into the ground it's obviously not enough just giving them FBO's as they are getting into the ground at the moment |
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 11, 2023 17:18:55 GMT
This cannot be a serious post. You want to setup a hall of fame for all those of FBOs Don't we need all the help we can get to stop these morons getting into the ground it's obviously not enough just giving them FBO's as they are getting into the ground at the moment It was one person on a FBO. |
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Post by RonD on Jul 11, 2023 17:21:54 GMT
Literally right by this, he went right into the away end unprovoked. Absolute moron, it's not just the Brackley game but a whole list of incidents have caused this. It's not just us though, a lot of weird behaviour has happened in non league in the last 12 months. Sauntered on pint in each hand I recall. Then put them down as he returned the Chorley fans flare. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 11, 2023 17:41:02 GMT
Don't we need all the help we can get to stop these morons getting into the ground it's obviously not enough just giving them FBO's as they are getting into the ground at the moment It was one person on a FBO. So at what number does it become unacceptable |
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 11, 2023 17:46:44 GMT
It was one person on a FBO. So at what number does it become unacceptable You said it was morons like there was more than one on a FBO, there wasn’t. No one mentioned anything being acceptable. You’re exaggerating it and making out people regularly go on banning orders. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 11, 2023 18:06:02 GMT
So at what number does it become unacceptable You said it was morons like there was more than one on a FBO, there wasn’t. No one mentioned anything being acceptable. You’re exaggerating it and making out people regularly go on banning orders. Are you telling me only 1 person in Chester has an FBO well this guy makes 2 so the plural is correct |
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 11, 2023 18:11:27 GMT
You said it was morons like there was more than one on a FBO, there wasn’t. No one mentioned anything being acceptable. You’re exaggerating it and making out people regularly go on banning orders. Are you telling me only 1 person in Chester has an FBO well this guy makes 2 so the plural is correct You said more than one person with an FBO went to the matches. You don’t know that. Stop exaggerating. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jul 11, 2023 18:29:53 GMT
Are you telling me only 1 person in Chester has an FBO well this guy makes 2 so the plural is correct You said more than one person with an FBO went to the matches. You don’t know that. Stop exaggerating. You don't know it isn't more than 1 all I'm saying is the club needs all the help it can get to avoid it happening again |
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Post by Moltisanti on Jul 11, 2023 18:46:49 GMT
You said more than one person with an FBO went to the matches. You don’t know that. Stop exaggerating. You don't know it isn't more than 1 all I'm saying is the club needs all the help it can get to avoid it happening again 😂 Turning it round on me now. It was one person not more than one like you suggested to make it sound a bigger problem that it was. I’m leaving this discussion now. |
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Post by Royal Blue on Jul 11, 2023 22:33:00 GMT
A quick search reveals a bit of previous too, a 10 month jail sentence.
He will obviously be known to the local police who will no doubt be out in force at future matches to enforce these bans
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Post by newblue on Jul 12, 2023 8:40:22 GMT
Does anyone know what the result would be if someone threw a pyrotechnic device into a crowd of people in other circumstances, e.g. into a crowded school yard, into a crowded conference hall, etc, etc. Would the consequences be a little less lenient than a three year banning order and a couple of hundred pounds? I don't know, but given the gentlemen's previous record a virtually unenforceable banning order seems a bit on the mild side.
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Post by Lobster on Jul 12, 2023 10:17:22 GMT
Does anyone know what the result would be if someone threw a pyrotechnic device into a crowd of people in other circumstances, e.g. into a crowded school yard, into a crowded conference hall, etc, etc. Would the consequences be a little less lenient than a three year banning order and a couple of hundred pounds? I don't know, but given the gentlemen's previous record a virtually unenforceable banning order seems a bit on the mild side. Yeah, I used to think the authorities came down needlessly hard on football fans. You'd hear of minor scuffles in the stands resulting in prison sentences in a way they probably wouldn't if they happened in town on a Saturday night. Now it seems to have gone the other way and there are some serious assault cases that don't appear to result in much more than football-related sanctions. No sympathy with these silly arseholes if they end up in prison from me, especially when they are grown men. Running across the pitch and lobbing something at people isn't a momentary loss of control. You have plenty of time to think about what you're doing. |
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 12, 2023 10:32:11 GMT
It seems to have been expected (on here and amongst my friends) that those throwing flares after the Brackley game would get custodial sentences. Does the above set a precedent that a long banning order will be more likely? Any legal eagles able to shed some light on this? As lobster above, they can fkg rot for all I care.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 12, 2023 10:42:39 GMT
Sure iandychesterfc above can shed some light on best and/or most effective outcomes - he represented this guy in court and is an accomplished criminal defence barrister so will be well-placed to answer such queries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 11:42:47 GMT
I love how someone who was front and centre of the Brackley disorder is commenting on the new Facebook thread with ‘grass chat’ and ‘it’s a football match what do you expect’….
Previously convicted hooligan and clearly an absolute delinquent.
Just the type of behaviour that pushes away your real fans and commercial sponsors etc.
Interestingly no action yet, but I suppose the club does look after it’s own……
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Post by Lobster on Jul 14, 2023 11:55:31 GMT
I love how someone who was front and centre of the Brackley disorder is commenting on the new Facebook thread with ‘grass chat’ and ‘it’s a football match what do you expect’…. Previously convicted hooligan and clearly an absolute delinquent. Just the type of behaviour that pushes away your real fans and commercial sponsors etc. Interestingly no action yet, but I suppose the club does look after it’s own…… They're not exactly making it difficult to identify them are they? That guy has even put "if you beat us, we will react" on his Facebook profile. I won't lie, I did think a little more progress might have been made by now than to hear the investigation is still "ongoing", and that the "robust" action may extend to "possible banning orders". Should be criminal records, nevermind banning orders. |
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Post by Deva93 on Jul 14, 2023 12:37:48 GMT
a Football banning order is a criminal record, as it needs to be given by a court and therefore is classed as a conviction.
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 14, 2023 12:50:44 GMT
Interested to know the club looks after its own in this instance? Its the Police and CPS who bring charges, not the club?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jul 14, 2023 13:12:05 GMT
I love how someone who was front and centre of the Brackley disorder is commenting on the new Facebook thread with ‘grass chat’ and ‘it’s a football match what do you expect’…. Previously convicted hooligan and clearly an absolute delinquent. Just the type of behaviour that pushes away your real fans and commercial sponsors etc. Interestingly no action yet, but I suppose the club does look after it’s own…… Sadly the gaslighting some of us experienced in the aftermath seemed to hint of a closing of ranks. |
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jul 14, 2023 13:28:32 GMT
I love how someone who was front and centre of the Brackley disorder is commenting on the new Facebook thread with ‘grass chat’ and ‘it’s a football match what do you expect’…. Previously convicted hooligan and clearly an absolute delinquent. Just the type of behaviour that pushes away your real fans and commercial sponsors etc. Interestingly no action yet, but I suppose the club does look after it’s own…… Sadly the gaslighting some of us experienced in the aftermath seemed to hint of a closing of ranks. Again, an explanation would be interesting? |
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Post by cscs on Jul 14, 2023 13:44:28 GMT
Interested to know the club looks after its own in this instance? Its the Police and CPS who bring charges, not the club? Surely the club can ban someone who was indisputably involved in crowd trouble, regardless of whether the police bring charges? But also, I can't believe this guy hasn't been charged, considering multiple people on Twitter said they;d reported him to the police, leading him to delete his account |
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jul 14, 2023 14:06:30 GMT
The police side of this has been diabolically slow in terms of identifying and arresting individuals. Three weeks off a new season and the majority of the perpetrators haven’t had a knock on their door.
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Post by devadiva on Jul 14, 2023 14:18:45 GMT
I think that’s the pace of UK law and order for you. Would like to see the club act independently and just ban the obvs culprits. The ground isn’t a public space so under the lease I’d be amazed if it isn’t up to the club who they do and don’t allow into the ground. Priority for me is keeping these morons out of the ground so there’s no repeat performance this coming season. The criminal record/banning orders can then follow but at least we will have dealt with the immediate issue (at home anyway).
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Post by Churton Blue on Jul 14, 2023 14:57:13 GMT
I think that’s the pace of UK law and order for you. Would like to see the club act independently and just ban the obvs culprits. The ground isn’t a public space so under the lease I’d be amazed if it isn’t up to the club who they do and don’t allow into the ground. Priority for me is keeping these morons out of the ground so there’s no repeat performance this coming season. The criminal record/banning orders can then follow but at least we will have dealt with the immediate issue (at home anyway). That is not the view of the Police who are firmly in charge of the process as pointed out by NHNP. They were not that happy about the initial round of Stadium bans so issuing more at this time would not go down well. Some very unfair comments on this thread as the club is no position to barter with or hurry up the powers that be. That even extends to statements about the matter to address the point made by Lobster. We need to understand that the Police and CPS are under resourced and over stretched so if people want to point the finger of blame about the pace of things they need to look higher up. |
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