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Post by sirfred on Sept 2, 2017 20:11:22 GMT
Defeat= instant Dismissal Draw= Drags on to Ebbs fleet game Win= we jump up league above Trashmere and 2 points off play offs job looks more secure
What a massive game for Mccarthy he is that close to the edge no sleep for the next few nights
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Post by tarvinblue on Sept 2, 2017 20:38:20 GMT
When you consider that his next 5 games after that are: Ebbsfleet (H), Gateshead (A), Dover (A), Maidenhead (H), Eastleigh (A) then you get the idea that it might be his last shot at a decent haul of points for a while.
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Post by blue4life on Sept 2, 2017 20:44:39 GMT
I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull if it means McCarthy gets the sack.
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Post by Charlie Runkle on Sept 2, 2017 20:52:02 GMT
Jon Mc isn't going anywhere.
Win, lose or draw.
The club can't afford to pay him off, can't afford to bring someone new in.
The best solution would be for McCarthy to resign without any or very little severance pay. He has no remorse though and will keep plodding along, saying and doing whatever he wants. He knows deep down that he won't get another managerial position with the cash he's on.
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Post by noddy on Sept 2, 2017 21:01:28 GMT
Jon Mc isn't going anywhere. Win, lose or draw. The club can't afford to pay him off, can't afford to bring someone new in. The best solution would be for McCarthy to resign without any or very little severance pay. He has no remorse though and will keep plodding along, saying and doing whatever he wants. He knows deep down that he won't get another managerial position with the cash he's on. Exactly. Yet we all know John loves the club.....
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Post by Shrewd Blue on Sept 2, 2017 21:04:40 GMT
Sad state of affairs but he should be sacked before the Solihull game. The board are now very quickly losing all support, they need to act.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 21:46:08 GMT
Jon Mc isn't going anywhere. Win, lose or draw. The club can't afford to pay him off, can't afford to bring someone new in. The best solution would be for McCarthy to resign without any or very little severance pay. He has no remorse though and will keep plodding along, saying and doing whatever he wants. He knows deep down that he won't get another managerial position with the cash he's on. Wow this is all a mirror of how Mills behaved last season and the situation financially we were in. Problem is a poor manger starts to hurt attendances and that is unacceptable then they must be shown the door.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 2, 2017 21:50:48 GMT
I don't really know what world people are living in if they think McCarthy is just going to walk out of a two-year contact. Would you do that, even if you were crap at your job?
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Post by Forever Blue on Sept 2, 2017 22:39:15 GMT
It should never have gone this far and should have ended last season before he was aloud to spend the SH money and before we found ourselves in this situation again. Anyone that thinks he will turn this around even if we win Solihull is deluded and the CEO and Board need to end this now before more damage is done.
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Post by billyw on Sept 3, 2017 7:19:25 GMT
When you consider that his next 5 games after that are: Ebbsfleet (H), Gateshead (A), Dover (A), Maidenhead (H), Eastleigh (A) then you get the idea that it might be his last shot at a decent haul of points for a while. Wow, can anyone feel confident of getting any points at all out of those games. I can see us being cut adrift at the foot of the league if we carry on as we are.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2017 9:06:58 GMT
When you consider that his next 5 games after that are: Ebbsfleet (H), Gateshead (A), Dover (A), Maidenhead (H), Eastleigh (A) then you get the idea that it might be his last shot at a decent haul of points for a while. Wow, can anyone feel confident of getting any points at all out of those games. I can see us being cut adrift at the foot of the league if we carry on as we are. As I said on another thread, the fixture list has given us a kind start and we haven't taken advantage of it. I worry that if and when a new manager comes in, he'll be greeted with a set of tough fixtures. We had a similar situation in 2000 when Atkins came in. His first three games I think were against Darlington, Rotherham and Northampton who were all pushing for promotion. In fact, I seem to remember pretty much all his games in his first two months were against solid teams in the top half, so he was trying to put a new team together while also facing the strongest teams in the division. The advantage this time at least is that I don't think this team needs dismantling - a good manager can get this team playing OK.
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Post by durdy on Sept 3, 2017 9:13:54 GMT
Defeat= instant Dismissal Draw= Drags on to Ebbs fleet game Win= we jump up league above Trashmere and 2 points off play offs job looks more secure What a massive game for Mccarthy he is that close to the edge no sleep for the next few nights
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Post by paulie on Sept 3, 2017 9:22:41 GMT
Defeat= instant Dismissal Draw= Drags on to Ebbs fleet game Win= we jump up league above Trashmere and 2 points off play offs job looks more secure What a massive game for Mccarthy he is that close to the edge no sleep for the next few nights I fear mcarthy is going nowhere. One of two things are happening at the club. 1) board are as pissed off as fans but don't have the money to get rid of him 2) mcarthy has managed to convince the board and himself that he is doing a good job.
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Post by g1 on Sept 3, 2017 9:25:07 GMT
I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull if it means McCarthy gets the sack. don't take this the wrong way but you should never want your team to lose I don't like him but never want to lose
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Post by g1 on Sept 3, 2017 9:26:51 GMT
Wow, can anyone feel confident of getting any points at all out of those games. I can see us being cut adrift at the foot of the league if we carry on as we are. As I said on another thread, the fixture list has given us a kind start and we haven't taken advantage of it. I worry that if and when a new manager comes in, he'll be greeted with a set of tough fixtures. We had a similar situation in 2000 when Atkins came in. His first three games I think were against Darlington, Rotherham and Northampton who were all pushing for promotion. In fact, I seem to remember pretty much all his games in his first two months were against solid teams in the top half, so he was trying to put a new team together while also facing the strongest teams in the division. The advantage this time at least is that I don't think this team needs dismantling - a good manager can get this team playing OK. exactly what I said this is the easiest fixture list in a while and not took advantage of winnable games
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Post by billyw on Sept 3, 2017 9:27:20 GMT
I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull if it means McCarthy gets the sack. don't take this the wrong way but you should never want your team to lose I don't like him but never want to lose Some times, the short term pain is worth the long term gain.
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Post by blue4life on Sept 3, 2017 9:54:51 GMT
I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull if it means McCarthy gets the sack. don't take this the wrong way but you should never want your team to lose I don't like him but never want to lose I stand by what I've said, I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull.
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Post by Charlie Runkle on Sept 3, 2017 15:34:36 GMT
I see it a little bit like Car Insurance.
If you have the cash, you pay up front. If you don't, you pay a little more by paying monthly.
JM isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.
We're skint.
Only way around it would be to do a gofundme page or something.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2017 15:52:47 GMT
don't take this the wrong way but you should never want your team to lose I don't like him but never want to lose I stand by what I've said, I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull. I think I'm with you, although I don't think a tonking is necessary. A 1-0 defeat should be enough to spell the end. I'm not proud to admit it, but I felt more like sighing than cheering when Hannah hit that equaliser, as I think he'd have had to have gone if we lost to that crisis-hit Torquay side. Then again, maybe that will be the point that keeps us up at the end of the season. I think what you have to have is utmost hopes and realistic hopes. My utmost hope is that we win on Tuesday, follow it up with a win on Saturday, and McCarthy has some sort of epiphany whereby he changes his whole mentality and gets the fans back on his side, but that seems more like a wild dream, like hoping you win the lottery rather than hoping you secure a better paid job. A more realistic hope is that we replace McCarthy with a different manager and save our season, and the sooner we do that the better, so yes, it feels like a defeat at Solihull might ultimately be the best think to hope for, as depressing and disloyal as that sounds.
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Post by billyw on Sept 3, 2017 16:12:28 GMT
don't take this the wrong way but you should never want your team to lose I don't like him but never want to lose I stand by what I've said, I hope we get a right tonking at Solihull. We don't want to be giving other relegation candidates points which could be crucial at the end of the season - leave the tonking for Saturday.
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Post by sqzl on Sept 3, 2017 16:20:15 GMT
When you consider that his next 5 games after that are: Ebbsfleet (H), Gateshead (A), Dover (A), Maidenhead (H), Eastleigh (A) then you get the idea that it might be his last shot at a decent haul of points for a while. This is the worry. We're averaging a point a game against some very average clubs at this level, when the tough games come will we be looking at the sides above wondering who else may struggle just in hope we may not get cut adrift? No chance we will get more than 5pts from those 5 matches, only think we have going for us is we tend to nick a win against Eastleigh! Dover, Ebbsfleet and Gateshead will beat us. Maidenhead is a chance at points but then again we are at home. Worrying times.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Sept 3, 2017 18:27:01 GMT
I get why some want us to lose on Tuesday night as it might bring about something the majority want. That said they are a poor side and anything less than 4 points from these two games isn't acceptable if we want to remain in this division. As sir Fred points out we could be sitting in mid table with wins over Solihull and ebbsfleet. He needs a result at home desperately next weekend as our away form alone won't keep us up. Yes the post match interview is an interesting listen. Some comments to raise eyebrows but calling him deluded come on what do you want him to say the fans showed there displeasure last week and have done the same again today. I'm sure he is fully aware of situation and targets. In other threads there are those that worry if we can pay him off well MM has said we can so let's see. I do feel it's gone so far now that turning it around may not be achievable. Let's see what Tuesday night brings.
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 3, 2017 18:38:14 GMT
I get why some want us to lose on Tuesday night as it might bring about something the majority want. I don't get it at all. How any supporter can actually want their team to lose is simply beyond my understanding. I have always from a little kid wanted us to win every single game, even during the very dark times running up to 2010. Wanting my team to lose is something that I will never do, and I am aghast that others on here can even come out with stuff like that. If we start performing then great, happy days, what's the problem? If we don't then the board will do what they need to as happened with Youngy, either way to not support the team during difficult times reminds me so much of those plastic Prem club supporters who don't live anywhere near the team they 'support' but do so only because of current success, and the fact that apparently we now have fans with it seems the same mindset now (although I doubt they even vaguely understand that) is very sad indeed.
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Post by noddy on Sept 3, 2017 18:46:54 GMT
I get why some want us to lose on Tuesday night as it might bring about something the majority want. I don't get it at all. How any supporter can actually want their team to lose is simply beyond my understanding. I have always from a little kid wanted us to win every single game, even during the very dark times running up to 2010. Wanting my team to lose is something that I will never do, and I am aghast that others on here can even come out with stuff like that. If we start performing then great, happy days, what's the problem? If we don't then the board will do what they need to as happened with Youngy, either way to not support the team during difficult times reminds me so much of those plastic Prem club supporters who don't live anywhere near the team they 'support' but do so only because of current success, and the fact that apparently we now have fans with it seems the same mindset now (although I doubt they even vaguely understand that) is very sad indeed. Am a supporter of 38 years, go to all home games. If it takes one beating on Tuesday night to remove this man masquerading as a football manager I'll accept it. Just goes to show how sick to the back teeth I am. Short term pain for hopefully having a team set up correctly, and trying to play some decent football, in a way that hopefully will win us some matches at home. I believe the players are on easy street under McCarthy, the 3 days off earlier in the week prove that. Need someone in who's prepared to kick the players up the arse, get them fitter and sharper and who says it the way it is and doesn't try and blind us all with bullshit.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 3, 2017 18:53:02 GMT
I get why some want us to lose on Tuesday night as it might bring about something the majority want. I don't get it at all. How any supporter can actually want their team to lose is simply beyond my understanding. I have always from a little kid wanted us to win every single game, even during the very dark times running up to 2010. Wanting my team to lose is something that I will never do, and I am aghast that others on here can even come out with stuff like that. If we start performing then great, happy days, what's the problem? If we don't then the board will do what they need to as happened with Youngy, either way to not support the team during difficult times reminds me so much of those plastic Prem club supporters who don't live anywhere near the team they 'support' but do so only because of current success, and the fact that apparently we now have fans with it seems the same mindset now (although I doubt they even vaguely understand that) is very sad indeed. To clarify, I won't be sitting there cheering Solihull on. I think I'll feel a bit numb win, lose or draw on Tuesday. I just have a feeling that a defeat may be for the best in the long run. For example, in the 1999/2000 season, the 5-1 home defeat to a poor Leyton Orient side was what finally convinced Terry Smith that he needed to hand over the managerial reins. If we'd drawn or narrowly lost that game, he'd have stayed on. So ultimately, as unpleasant as it to lose 5-1 at home, it was a good thing that that happened. I feel we're in a similar situation now, and it's not a nice thought to have, but I think it is a realistic one.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Sept 3, 2017 18:53:20 GMT
Captain duff believe me I shall be there on Tuesday night wanting us to win as I do every game we play. It's always much nicer after a game if we get a positive result. I know there are many who are fed up with our deemed negative approach to games and that's fair enough. What I haven't seen discussed on here is this maybe due to the fact that we have no pace at the back which he is trying to compensate for? Regarding your premier league points I personally try not to take any interest. How can people be on under 30k a year and responsible for people's lives and health yet get 5 times that money a week kicking a ball around its offensive and obscene.
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Post by noddy on Sept 3, 2017 19:01:31 GMT
Captain duff believe me I shall be there on Tuesday night wanting us to win as I do every game we play. It's always much nicer after a game if we get a positive result. I know there are many who are fed up with our deemed negative approach to games and that's fair enough. What I haven't seen discussed on here is this maybe due to the fact that we have no pace at the back which he is trying to compensate for? Regarding your premier league points I personally try not to take any interest. How can people be on under 30k a year and responsible for people's lives and health yet get 5 times that money a week kicking a ball around its offensive and obscene. Then why sign another big slow centre back?! If that's the reason for being so deep. McCarthy has brought in these players. God knows what he's trying to do with them.
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Post by g1 on Sept 3, 2017 22:49:54 GMT
Can't quite believe what I am hearing on here are there so called fans who actually want us to lose games not real fans then if you want that to happen
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Post by bluesince72 on Sept 3, 2017 23:07:33 GMT
" were skint" not half as skint as we will be back in regional football with sub 1000 crowds. He should be gone already and if we fail to beat Ebbsfleet saturday and he is still manager monday lunch time an EGM and a vote of no confidence in the board is a necessity.
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Post by avfo on Sept 4, 2017 0:26:34 GMT
" were skint" not half as skint as we will be back in regional football with sub 1000 crowds. He should be gone already and if we fail to beat Ebbsfleet saturday and he is still manager monday lunch time an EGM and a vote of no confidence in the board is a necessity. Given that scenario proves successful, what would be (in rough terms) your manifesto as a potential candidate for election to the board?
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