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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 7:29:20 GMT
Yeah it's bonkers basically. You don't understand how the club works. Everything has been done with the best intentions. Nobody has tried to harm the club intentionally which is a bit different to 'fans' on here praying for us to be thrashed by Solihull. FFS!! And posters making up false accounts for the club and posting them as fact. How stupid can you get. You know you have a way of changing things. Do it Instead of being a bunch of people whipping each other into a stupid frenzy on here. Yes the time has come for a decision to be made about McCarthy, and IMO we have a squad more than capable of performing in this league so yeah we should expect thing to pick up once he goes. There you go then, and how could I know how the club works with all the secrecy and non communication. You speak like an expert, probably self appointed! What I do know is that the club isn't working! I note you have completely ignored all the unanswered questions. Interesting point you make about false accounting. By the way, how the hell can you claim everything has been done with the best of intentions when we don't know the bloody intentions, and that's part of the problem. Just being realistic having followed Chester for 40 years. There have been much darker times than this. What we have right now is a situation on the pitch nothing more. It's a situation that people forwhatever reason are using for a full frontal assault on everything about the club. And who said anything about false accounting? Not me. I was picking up on falsehoods created by another poster on another thread. But it just goes to show you will use anything at all for your bonkers attacks on everything and anything about the club. You need to get out a bit more. Meet people. |
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Post by bing on Sept 4, 2017 8:32:16 GMT
Have to agree. I've heard people on here having a right go at the "club" calling it a laughing stock etc.
Of course, there are things which we could have done better, but looking away from the performances on the pitch, we have a sustainable club (something I feared we would never see again 7 years ago), we have a Community Trust which is doing great work for a huge amount of people, we have an Academy to be proud of etc.
The football isn't great at the moment and maybe things may need to be addressed at board level soon, but Thetheremin is right, there have been far worse times in our recent history than this.
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Post by rcb on Sept 4, 2017 9:26:56 GMT
There you go then, and how could I know how the club works with all the secrecy and non communication. You speak like an expert, probably self appointed! What I do know is that the club isn't working! I note you have completely ignored all the unanswered questions. Interesting point you make about false accounting. By the way, how the hell can you claim everything has been done with the best of intentions when we don't know the bloody intentions, and that's part of the problem. Just being realistic having followed Chester for 40 years. There have been much darker times than this. What we have right now is a situation on the pitch nothing more. It's a situation that people forwhatever reason are using for a full frontal assault on everything about the club. And who said anything about false accounting? Not me. I was picking up on falsehoods created by another poster on another thread. But it just goes to show you will use anything at all for your bonkers attacks on everything and anything about the club. You need to get out a bit more. Meet people. Arrogant condescending idiot! No reason for that inappropriate final ten words, but I guess it makes you feel superior in some twisted way. Plenty of unanswered questions in regard to off the field events and you blandly expect intelligent people to accept it. You even quoted false accounting and then said "who said anything about false accounting? Not me." Re-read your earlier post and send a message to your brain. I suppose you think Tony Allen's position at the club is wonderfully above board as well. Have a look at this post from another thread..."Whoever employed this man at our community club, using cloak and dagger techniques in not advertising the role, should hang their heads in absolute shame. The fact he continues to take a salary from CFC, from my season ticket, seals lottery, 50/50 draw ticket etc money, is something that sickens me." So it's not just me that has concerns about the larger picture. Your deluded and shallow beliefs, along with the others with similar beliefs, are part of the reason why McCarthy is still the manager. Call me bonkers if it keeps you happy. The club is at the very edge of a precarious cliff and all you want to do is blindly take a step forward! |
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 4, 2017 10:41:46 GMT
I'm not sure that this squad is as good as everyone is claiming for it. I think Mahon and Chappell should have been released at the end of last season. Our back four are a downgrade on last season as Hunt and Vassell were better than Halls and LRT have shown so far. McCombe has replaced Sam Hughes/Hudson and has no pace. I've yet to see Turnbull justify a 2-year contract although I will give him a chance and Shaw (10 goals last season) needs to be playing every game. We have yet to see which injury-free two up front are going to replace Alabi's goals. Finally this bonkers idea of having all 11 players back for corners was proved nonsense when Sutton scored after 5 minutes with all the players back. Mahon released 😂😂😂 have a day off |
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 4, 2017 10:44:40 GMT
Have to agree. I've heard people on here having a right go at the "club" calling it a laughing stock etc. Of course, there are things which we could have done better, but looking away from the performances on the pitch, we have a sustainable club (something I feared we would never see again 7 years ago), we have a Community Trust which is doing great work for a huge amount of people, we have an Academy to be proud of etc. The football isn't great at the moment and maybe things may need to be addressed at board level soon, but Thetheremin is right, there have been far worse times in our recent history than this. Think people need to look at the bigger picture and not come to the conclusion that because we have an underperforming manager it's the end of our club. |
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 4, 2017 10:52:14 GMT
I'm not sure that this squad is as good as everyone is claiming for it. I think Mahon and Chappell should have been released at the end of last season. Our back four are a downgrade on last season as Hunt and Vassell were better than Halls and LRT have shown so far. McCombe has replaced Sam Hughes/Hudson and has no pace. I've yet to see Turnbull justify a 2-year contract although I will give him a chance and Shaw (10 goals last season) needs to be playing every game. We have yet to see which injury-free two up front are going to replace Alabi's goals. Finally this bonkers idea of having all 11 players back for corners was proved nonsense when Sutton scored after 5 minutes with all the players back. Mahon released 😂😂😂 have a day off Mahon has generally been poor since the cup run season. I'm sure we could have done better this season. |
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Post by rcb on Sept 4, 2017 10:53:06 GMT
Have to agree. I've heard people on here having a right go at the "club" calling it a laughing stock etc. Of course, there are things which we could have done better, but looking away from the performances on the pitch, we have a sustainable club (something I feared we would never see again 7 years ago), we have a Community Trust which is doing great work for a huge amount of people, we have an Academy to be proud of etc. The football isn't great at the moment and maybe things may need to be addressed at board level soon, but Thetheremin is right, there have been far worse times in our recent history than this. Think people need to look at the bigger picture and not come to the conclusion that because we have an underperforming manager it's the end of our club. The bigger picture is the club appointed McCarthy, the club kept him on after last season's run of results, the club let him spend all the budget on what looks a very unbalanced squad, the club allowed him to more or less release one of the better players from playing, and the club continue to employ him. Which part of that is not a club problem? |
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Post by bogsnorkel on Sept 4, 2017 11:43:33 GMT
Like the idea of a red card. How about fans show it or a similar action , at 14 minutes to represent the 14 home games since a win
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Post by paulie on Sept 4, 2017 11:59:45 GMT
Have to agree. I've heard people on here having a right go at the "club" calling it a laughing stock etc. Of course, there are things which we could have done better, but looking away from the performances on the pitch, we have a sustainable club (something I feared we would never see again 7 years ago), we have a Community Trust which is doing great work for a huge amount of people, we have an Academy to be proud of etc. The football isn't great at the moment and maybe things may need to be addressed at board level soon, but Thetheremin is right, there have been far worse times in our recent history than this. Think people need to look at the bigger picture and not come to the conclusion that because we have an underperforming manager it's the end of our club. It will be far from the end of this club, but it could be very damaging if the board don't act and allow Mcarthy to get us relegated. Potential sponsors will be put off, crowds and matchday revenue will drop. |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 12:16:51 GMT
Just being realistic having followed Chester for 40 years. There have been much darker times than this. What we have right now is a situation on the pitch nothing more. It's a situation that people forwhatever reason are using for a full frontal assault on everything about the club. And who said anything about false accounting? Not me. I was picking up on falsehoods created by another poster on another thread. But it just goes to show you will use anything at all for your bonkers attacks on everything and anything about the club. You need to get out a bit more. Meet people. Arrogant condescending idiot! No reason for that inappropriate final ten words, but I guess it makes you feel superior in some twisted way. Plenty of unanswered questions in regard to off the field events and you blandly expect intelligent people to accept it. You even quoted false accounting and then said "who said anything about false accounting? Not me." Re-read your earlier post and send a message to your brain. I suppose you think Tony Allen's position at the club is wonderfully above board as well. Have a look at this post from another thread..."Whoever employed this man at our community club, using cloak and dagger techniques in not advertising the role, should hang their heads in absolute shame. The fact he continues to take a salary from CFC, from my season ticket, seals lottery, 50/50 draw ticket etc money, is something that sickens me." So it's not just me that has concerns about the larger picture. Your deluded and shallow beliefs, along with the others with similar beliefs, are part of the reason why McCarthy is still the manager. Call me bonkers if it keeps you happy. The club is at the very edge of a precarious cliff and all you want to do is blindly take a step forward! Nope I said another poster had created some false accounts to use in a bonkers argument on another thread. Join CFU and raise your concerns. Otherwise you just look like an angry bloke on the internet spouting endless bile. Don't misunderstand my views on McCarthy. I've had enough too but you have to understand that a lot of supporters won't see this situation as a systemic problem. And you know that a decent run of results will lead to crowds returning. In the 80s it's how we went from 880 fans on a grim night in 1984 to 4000+ in 1986 |
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Post by Al on Sept 4, 2017 12:28:26 GMT
There are still a handful of people sat around me who will defend JM to the hilt. My fear would be that any type of visual protest would just create an Arsenal type situation, where fans are falling out in the stands. I have to say it's mainly the older generation that stick up for him - all those Senior Blues appearances seem to have reeled plenty of them in. Don't include all the "oldies" - my first game was 1957. I've seen some poor teams but at least they used to try! I'm gone now until we get some proper management. And I. too, would like to know the whole truth about Grenville's departure. He would bleed blue if you cut him, Chester through and through. Did so much to get us back as a football club. Whilst Gren loves the club there were a number of appointments made during his tenure off the field which were shocking.
Our now previous employee in charge of the Commercial and Corporate Sponsorships, and our still current club secretary for a paid role which was previously free (and not advertised).
So whilst his love of the club is/was unquestionable, his and his boards actions during their tenure were very much so.
I am not onboard with this witch hunt which now seems to be started up aimed at unsettling MM. As I've said countless times on here, wait until the accounts are released and then crunch the numbers.
There are various key factors on which our paid CEO is measured against.
One was growing the existing fanbase - this has been an abject failure so far, but then not helped when the first team manager has been utterly appalling since last December
Another was growing the club off the field, bringing in new corporate and sponsorship deals - this should be measured based on the income brought in at the end of the season. I would be interested to know what our projections are for the current campaign regards corporate and matchday sponsorship deals and how that compares to previous seasons.
We will know then if we're actually getting true value for money from him.
Until then, give the witch hunt a rest
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Post by iandychesterfc on Sept 4, 2017 12:33:29 GMT
I am way past hating McCarthy ruining our team's chances of avoiding relegation. Call me what you will, but this is not the club I signed up for in 2010. I chose then to replace my support for the old Chester City with the new model. Sadly I no longer feel this club represents my beliefs in the football that was promised. I see no transparency nowadays. I have no faith in what I feel is a useless board, a useless CEO, and a useless manager. I feel Burr got the job via the back door, and the club has deteriorated ever since. By all means keep mushrooms in the dark and feed them on shit, but I don't expect the same treatment. McCarthy is a symptom and his dismissal will not cure the malaise. I am far from happy at what I see as an extraordinary waste of the club's income since reformation either through incompetence or something more sinister. I chose to boycott attending whilst McCarthy remained, but his continued presence tells me something worse is going on. Hope I'm wrong. Right Mr Ranty, You have said no-one is answering your questions so lets have a look. 1. Sadly i no longer feel the club represents my belief in the football that was promised. I've advocated a £10 terrace for years for those who can't afford to make games but im not sure what else you are referring to. CT has achieved charity status and the academy is producing £130,000 players. Other than that, the standard of football is dependant on the budget, recruitment and the management. other than a long term goal of getting to the league which is far harder than everyone probably thought in 2010, let me know what else is not being represented.
2. I see no transparency nowadays
Heard this one before. the club communication has been poor for years but there's not a lot day to day that can really be discussed. I anticipate this is more to do with the fact McCarthy was given a 2 year deal by the operations (ratified by the full) board. I can only assume you are saying that the offer of a 2 year contract whould have been put to a membership not just board vote - which is a separate discussion. I can't see any other day to day decisions which have been 'kept secret' but feel free to throw a couple of others in.
3. I have no faith is a useless board, a useless CEO and useless manager.
Perfectly entitled to your opinion, many will agree on final one but i'm not sure you'll find a majority against board/CEO
4. I feel Burr got the job by the back door.
Indeed he probably did, as i daresay he didn't go through the recruitment process put in place when Burr was sacked (like Ronny didn't) however show me one Chester fan that gave 2 shits when we got the best manager in the non-league and rubbed wrexham's noses right in it. Hindsight is wonderful, but the capture of Burr was a coup at the time make no bones about it.
5. Club has deteriorated ever since.
Well, not quite. Performance-wise Burr kept us up by finishing 4th bottom and in his next season gave us decent football and great memories of Wrexham wins, FA Cup success and our best finish ever. It certainly went downhill the year after when he was sacked i'll admit and we've not seen those heights since on the pitch. "the club" however is more than on the pitch and academy and CT are doing better, but a date shift and i'll agree the club has not performed well on the pitch since Burr's first full season.
6. Mushrooms
pass.
7. McCarthy is a symptom and his dismissal will not cure the malaise.
Have to briefly disagree. Our crowds started to creep back up with optimism and if this team starts winning (new manager or not) we'll all feel alot better.
8. I am far from happy at what I see as an extraordinary waste of the club's income since reformation either through incompetence or something more sinister.
Right-o lets have a look at this then. It is a fairly reasonable argument that in the first 2 years we pissed money up the wall. Obviously we then had a board shift and stricter financial controls were brought in. £20,000 went missing somehow (it was NOT stolen - cannot say that, however much you might believe it to be so there was no bloody evidence because the controls were so poor). After that we re-built a £100,000 rainy day fund when fans wanted more spending. I think competence-wise the clubs accounts are in good shape. If anything we're asking at times to un-bolt our rigid approach for initiatives which may harm the budget but are met with steadfast refusal. That's not incompetence, just a differing opinion of speculation and accumulation. Sinister we'll get rid of as it's nonsence. In terms of Squad builder £20,000 does not go far, especially with premier league clubs asking us to contribute to wages for loanees which is quite frankly horrific. Burr might not have spent it wisely to your mind but ultimately it was HIS to spend, not ours.
9. I chose to boycott attending whilst McCarthy remained, but his continued presence tells me something worse is going on
I don't think there is anything worse other than indecision - a will that McCarthy who is very good fit for the club in other ways to produce on the pitch which, if this form continues will ultimately mean (i believe following Ebbsfleet, the 9th game) a decision being made in a considered, non-knee-jerk way. Again, i can't see why the decision not to sack him is trying to make Chester fail, that makes no sense. Many say he has to go, but it's clear the board are giving him 8-10 games before making a considered decision. You may disagree with that approach, but it does not make it sinister. |
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Post by agl on Sept 4, 2017 12:36:23 GMT
We seem to have more than our fair share of 'supporters' who are happy to bask in the glory when things are going well.
Running a football club Is not an exact science. I reckon 8 out ten seasons since I began following Chester in the late1970s have been poor or at best mediocre.
Some of the drivel on here at the moment is unbelievable....none of us are happy with the performances on the pitch but there's a lot of good things about the club. Sacking the cleaner isn't going to make us a good team. It does worry me that some of the more vitriolic stuff will deter would be board members from standing for election. And it's the same posters spouting the same stuff. Always interested to hear others' opinions but there are three or four who aren't worth engaging with.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 4, 2017 13:11:34 GMT
I don't agree with all this name-calling towards JM. He is a family man and has some excellent qualities, but unfortunately being a football manager is not one of them. I sincerely hope that the Board don't leave it too long before they take the necessary action as whoever takes over will need at least 30 games to turn it round and will have to hit the floor running.
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 18:31:35 GMT
I don't agree with all this name-calling towards JM. He is a family man and has some excellent qualities, but unfortunately being a football manager is not one of them. I sincerely hope that the Board don't leave it too long before they take the necessary action as whoever takes over will need at least 30 games to turn it round and will have to hit the floor running. I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. |
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Post by noddy on Sept 4, 2017 18:35:10 GMT
I don't agree with all this name-calling towards JM. He is a family man and has some excellent qualities, but unfortunately being a football manager is not one of them. I sincerely hope that the Board don't leave it too long before they take the necessary action as whoever takes over will need at least 30 games to turn it round and will have to hit the floor running. I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. Disagree. I want him out of the football club. The man thinks he can hold the club to ransom, he won't walk or resign. I don't buy this "love for the club" or " mr nice guy" scenario. He knows exactly what he's doing, waiting for his payoff. |
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Post by rcb on Sept 4, 2017 19:11:24 GMT
Keep McCarthy if the planned bus garage gets the go ahead. He's always trying to park the bus.
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Post by Jack on Sept 4, 2017 19:12:21 GMT
I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. Disagree. I want him out of the football club. The man thinks he can hold the club to ransom, he won't walk or resign. I don't buy this "love for the club" or " mr nice guy" scenario. He knows exactly what he's doing, waiting for his payoff. Why would he walk away for nothing? He's got bills to pay as well. We gave him the contract, we'll have to mutually find a middle ground to end it. |
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Post by billyw on Sept 4, 2017 19:35:49 GMT
I don't agree with all this name-calling towards JM. He is a family man and has some excellent qualities, but unfortunately being a football manager is not one of them. I sincerely hope that the Board don't leave it too long before they take the necessary action as whoever takes over will need at least 30 games to turn it round and will have to hit the floor running. I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. But is he a decent coach?? He might have all the ideas on the blackboard but I'm not so sure he can transfer them to the pitch. |
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Post by noddy on Sept 4, 2017 19:40:56 GMT
I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. But is he a decent coach?? He might have all the ideas on the blackboard but I'm not so sure he can transfer them to the pitch. Exactly. Might talk the talk but results wise clearly can't walk the walk. |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 19:48:02 GMT
I would like JM to stay at the club. There has to be a role for him here. He loves the club. He is a decent coach and he's great in the community. Sadly he doesn't seem to have the necessary skills (yet) as a manager. Before things sour too much he needs to step aside and swallow his pride to work with a more experienced manager. Shaw needs to be back on the pitch. Disagree. I want him out of the football club. The man thinks he can hold the club to ransom, he won't walk or resign. I don't buy this "love for the club" or " mr nice guy" scenario. He knows exactly what he's doing, waiting for his payoff. You're way off the mark. |
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Post by noddy on Sept 4, 2017 20:00:03 GMT
Disagree. I want him out of the football club. The man thinks he can hold the club to ransom, he won't walk or resign. I don't buy this "love for the club" or " mr nice guy" scenario. He knows exactly what he's doing, waiting for his payoff. You're way off the mark. And your naive to the extent of being gullible. |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 20:32:14 GMT
And your naive to the extent of being gullible. Not at all. I'm a realist. JM would like nothing more than to turn this around and stay. To suggest he's given up and is waiting to be sacked so he can get a payout is completely mental. We're only 7 games in. Just stop making stuff up. And get your bag packed for school. Term starts this week doesn't it? |
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Post by noddy on Sept 4, 2017 20:57:08 GMT
And your naive to the extent of being gullible. Not at all. I'm a realist. JM would like nothing more than to turn this around and stay. To suggest he's given up and is waiting to be sacked so he can get a payout is completely mental. We're only 7 games in. Just stop making stuff up. And get your bag packed for school. Term starts this week doesn't it? Oh the old get your bag packed for school line, your such a wheeze. There is no chance of McCarthy turning it around and even less chance of him staying. He has lost the supporters (minus the odd exception). As for making stuff up, it's called an opinion, and in a democratic country I'm entitled to share it on a fans forum whether you like it or agree with it! Am not going to get in to a row with you thetheremin, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend John is doing a wonderful job and is the best thing since sliced bread but results suggest he's way out of his depth and is incapable of turning it round. |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 4, 2017 21:17:28 GMT
Not at all. I'm a realist. JM would like nothing more than to turn this around and stay. To suggest he's given up and is waiting to be sacked so he can get a payout is completely mental. We're only 7 games in. Just stop making stuff up. And get your bag packed for school. Term starts this week doesn't it? Oh the old get your bag packed for school line, your such a wheeze. There is no chance of McCarthy turning it around and even less chance of him staying. He has lost the supporters (minus the odd exception). As for making stuff up, it's called an opinion, and in a democratic country I'm entitled to share it on a fans forum whether you like it or agree with it! Am not going to get in to a row with you thetheremin, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend John is doing a wonderful job and is the best thing since sliced bread but results suggest he's way out of his depth and is incapable of turning it round. You haven't read the other posts where I make it clear I'm not happy with McCarthy. I'm long enough in the tooth to understand what is happening. The guys doing his best and yes he's falling short, but to suggest he's hanging on for a payout is as I said totally mental. For the love of god just stop making stupid stuff up |
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Post by noddy on Sept 4, 2017 21:35:51 GMT
Oh the old get your bag packed for school line, your such a wheeze. There is no chance of McCarthy turning it around and even less chance of him staying. He has lost the supporters (minus the odd exception). As for making stuff up, it's called an opinion, and in a democratic country I'm entitled to share it on a fans forum whether you like it or agree with it! Am not going to get in to a row with you thetheremin, you can bury your head in the sand and pretend John is doing a wonderful job and is the best thing since sliced bread but results suggest he's way out of his depth and is incapable of turning it round. You haven't read the other posts where I make it clear I'm not happy with McCarthy. I'm long enough in the tooth to understand what is happening. The guys doing his best and yes he's falling short, but to suggest he's hanging on for a payout is as I said totally mental. For the love of god just stop making stupid stuff up I'm also long enough in the tooth. Your opinion is obviously right so why don't you enlighten me if you understand what is happening? I get the impression your in the know or you have maybe an ear on the inside. |
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Post by everhopeful on Sept 5, 2017 3:44:04 GMT
I am way past hating McCarthy ruining our team's chances of avoiding relegation. Call me what you will, but this is not the club I signed up for in 2010. I chose then to replace my support for the old Chester City with the new model. Sadly I no longer feel this club represents my beliefs in the football that was promised. I see no transparency nowadays. I have no faith in what I feel is a useless board, a useless CEO, and a useless manager. I feel Burr got the job via the back door, and the club has deteriorated ever since. By all means keep mushrooms in the dark and feed them on shit, but I don't expect the same treatment. McCarthy is a symptom and his dismissal will not cure the malaise. I am far from happy at what I see as an extraordinary waste of the club's income since reformation either through incompetence or something more sinister. I chose to boycott attending whilst McCarthy remained, but his continued presence tells me something worse is going on. Hope I'm wrong. Right Mr Ranty, You have said no-one is answering your questions so lets have a look. 1. Sadly i no longer feel the club represents my belief in the football that was promised. I've advocated a £10 terrace for years for those who can't afford to make games but im not sure what else you are referring to. CT has achieved charity status and the academy is producing £130,000 players. Other than that, the standard of football is dependant on the budget, recruitment and the management. other than a long term goal of getting to the league which is far harder than everyone probably thought in 2010, let me know what else is not being represented.
2. I see no transparency nowadays
Heard this one before. the club communication has been poor for years but there's not a lot day to day that can really be discussed. I anticipate this is more to do with the fact McCarthy was given a 2 year deal by the operations (ratified by the full) board. I can only assume you are saying that the offer of a 2 year contract whould have been put to a membership not just board vote - which is a separate discussion. I can't see any other day to day decisions which have been 'kept secret' but feel free to throw a couple of others in.
3. I have no faith is a useless board, a useless CEO and useless manager.
Perfectly entitled to your opinion, many will agree on final one but i'm not sure you'll find a majority against board/CEO
4. I feel Burr got the job by the back door.
Indeed he probably did, as i daresay he didn't go through the recruitment process put in place when Burr was sacked (like Ronny didn't) however show me one Chester fan that gave 2 shits when we got the best manager in the non-league and rubbed wrexham's noses right in it. Hindsight is wonderful, but the capture of Burr was a coup at the time make no bones about it.
5. Club has deteriorated ever since.
Well, not quite. Performance-wise Burr kept us up by finishing 4th bottom and in his next season gave us decent football and great memories of Wrexham wins, FA Cup success and our best finish ever. It certainly went downhill the year after when he was sacked i'll admit and we've not seen those heights since on the pitch. "the club" however is more than on the pitch and academy and CT are doing better, but a date shift and i'll agree the club has not performed well on the pitch since Burr's first full season.
6. Mushrooms
pass.
7. McCarthy is a symptom and his dismissal will not cure the malaise.
Have to briefly disagree. Our crowds started to creep back up with optimism and if this team starts winning (new manager or not) we'll all feel alot better.
8. I am far from happy at what I see as an extraordinary waste of the club's income since reformation either through incompetence or something more sinister.
Right-o lets have a look at this then. It is a fairly reasonable argument that in the first 2 years we pissed money up the wall. Obviously we then had a board shift and stricter financial controls were brought in. £20,000 went missing somehow (it was NOT stolen - cannot say that, however much you might believe it to be so there was no bloody evidence because the controls were so poor). After that we re-built a £100,000 rainy day fund when fans wanted more spending. I think competence-wise the clubs accounts are in good shape. If anything we're asking at times to un-bolt our rigid approach for initiatives which may harm the budget but are met with steadfast refusal. That's not incompetence, just a differing opinion of speculation and accumulation. Sinister we'll get rid of as it's nonsence. In terms of Squad builder £20,000 does not go far, especially with premier league clubs asking us to contribute to wages for loanees which is quite frankly horrific. Burr might not have spent it wisely to your mind but ultimately it was HIS to spend, not ours.
9. I chose to boycott attending whilst McCarthy remained, but his continued presence tells me something worse is going on
I don't think there is anything worse other than indecision - a will that McCarthy who is very good fit for the club in other ways to produce on the pitch which, if this form continues will ultimately mean (i believe following Ebbsfleet, the 9th game) a decision being made in a considered, non-knee-jerk way. Again, i can't see why the decision not to sack him is trying to make Chester fail, that makes no sense. Many say he has to go, but it's clear the board are giving him 8-10 games before making a considered decision. You may disagree with that approach, but it does not make it sinister. We were never told exactly what happened to that money or where all of it was spent. Why not? Plenty of us asked, more than once, but the silence was deafening! |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 5, 2017 7:16:25 GMT
You haven't read the other posts where I make it clear I'm not happy with McCarthy. I'm long enough in the tooth to understand what is happening. The guys doing his best and yes he's falling short, but to suggest he's hanging on for a payout is as I said totally mental. For the love of god just stop making stupid stuff up I'm also long enough in the tooth. Your opinion is obviously right so why don't you enlighten me if you understand what is happening? I get the impression your in the know or you have maybe an ear on the inside. You're seeing the same thing happening that happens at clubs everywhere. A struggling manager trying to turn it around but not achieving it. Look at the tables - all clubs can't be in the top ten of their league, and every league tells the same story - underperforming managers and squads. We know what's coming next for us and McCarthy. All of us do. The backdrop for us is that we're still a young club operating within strict parameters. We've run largely on the efforts of volunteers and with a high turnover of board members, who to a man/woman took on the job because they love the club. Yes mistakes have been made and we'll find our way eventually |
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Post by Johnnybling on Sept 6, 2017 7:34:51 GMT
Get them emails in to Maguire if you care for our club enough is enough
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Post by massivefloodlights on Sept 6, 2017 10:16:51 GMT
Steve Burr rubbing our noses in it? You'll have to explain that one fella.
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