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Post by poolepirate on Sept 4, 2017 11:54:04 GMT
just read the managers comments on the torquay game and he said he didnt really want to involve TS on the subs bench because he is not match fit
i wonder whos fault is that ?as far as we know he has not been injured so he should be training with the rest of the players at least part of the time and he should be on the bench most match days(especially with the small squad and injuries)
he is too young to retire and as he was a starter most matches last year he should be involved playing wise every week
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 4, 2017 12:03:00 GMT
just read the managers comments on the torquay game and he said he didnt really want to involve TS on the subs bench because he is not match fit i wonder whos fault is that ?as far as we know he has not been injured so he should be training with the rest of the players at least part of the time and he should be on the bench most match days(especially with the small squad and injuries) he is too young to retire and as he was a starter most matches last year he should be involved playing wise every week Completely agree with the above. Scandalous for him not to be involved. I would even say we looked better when him and Hannah came on near the end. |
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Sept 4, 2017 12:04:58 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 4, 2017 12:04:58 GMT
He's also on a playing contract.
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Sept 4, 2017 12:09:56 GMT
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Post by hackett on Sept 4, 2017 12:09:56 GMT
He's also on a playing contract. This is the main thing for me. It's up to him if he wants to retire but he hasn't opted for full retirement, so as and when he's needed he should be available. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 4, 2017 14:27:11 GMT
How long is his current contract and when does it end?
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Post by chesterblueboy on Sept 4, 2017 14:35:07 GMT
According to Wikipedia, Shaw is only 30 (31 in December) which is younger than 2 of our new signings Hannah 31 (2 year contract) & McCombe 32!!
Unless he has a 'career threatening injury' (eg early onset of Arthritis, dodgy hips etc), he should still be playing. We are desperately missing his energy in midfield and he certainly didn't look injured last season!!
I think this question needs answering (particularly when Wade Joyce is currently playing central midfield (limited ability at this level) -who McCarthy was trying to loan out a few weeks ago!)
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Sept 6, 2017 8:47:44 GMT
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Post by southernblue on Sept 6, 2017 8:47:44 GMT
I think he is too inexperienced for management and needs to be back on the pitch.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 6, 2017 8:54:57 GMT
Never thought it was a good idea, to be honest. It meant either taking one of our better players from last season out of the team, or having an assistant manager who would not be in the dugout - an extension of the Iwelumo problem from last season.
If McCarthy was to stay on this season, it really needed to be with an experienced assistant.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 6, 2017 15:32:37 GMT
When the new manager, whoever he may be, is appointed Tom Shaw needs to return to the playing squad. It's very likely the new man may want his own assistant anyway. All remnants of JM's disastrous reign need to be expunged and that includes Iwelumo and the goalkeeping coach. Callum is excused as his role is essentially with the academy.
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Post by billyw on Sept 6, 2017 16:06:21 GMT
just read the managers comments on the torquay game and he said he didnt really want to involve TS on the subs bench because he is not match fit i wonder whos fault is that ?as far as we know he has not been injured so he should be training with the rest of the players at least part of the time and he should be on the bench most match days(especially with the small squad and injuries) he is too young to retire and as he was a starter most matches last year he should be involved playing wise every week It is ridiculous that Shaw has not had more game time and is considered unfit but at the same time, do any of the squad look fit, apart from James. |
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Post by histsci on Sept 7, 2017 7:51:33 GMT
I'm not sure sacking all of the coaching staff is a great idea. It would be helpful for any new manager to have a little bit of continuity coming into the role. Completely agree that Shaw should be playing more though. When he came on at Torquay he was really trying hard to motivate everyone on the pitch, and he got the header to set up Hannah's goal.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 7, 2017 8:58:01 GMT
Shaw should definately be on the pitch to strenghem the midfield and Matty Waters and Jonathon Jones integetrated into the fitst team squad at the expense of Chappell Joyce and Davies.
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Post by paw2904 on Sept 7, 2017 9:29:30 GMT
I think being fit and "match fit" are two different things. Shaw is clearly a very fit athlete but match fitness only comes with time on the pitch. As for what he should do, when he should retire from playing etc? That decision is solely his and his alone. I wouldn't give an opinion.
I like Shaw. I hope he stays in his role and learns from the next Manager.
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 7, 2017 9:45:19 GMT
When the new manager, whoever he may be, is appointed Tom Shaw needs to return to the playing squad. It's very likely the new man may want his own assistant anyway. All remnants of JM's disastrous reign need to be expunged and that includes Iwelumo and the goalkeeping coach. Callum is excused as his role is essentially with the academy. The fact that you want to get rid of a person who in a very long playing career made 72 first team appearances for us and then went on to to coach at Man City speaks volumes about you. What specifically would you say Felgate is getting wrong with our keepers? Also, when we had fit strikers like Alabi last season who was one of our best players at many games just what was Ilwelumo getting wrong exactly given Alabi cited him as one of the reasons he was playing well? Mind you, it is very nice that you let McIntyre off the hook, or had you just run out of bile at last? |
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Post by Dodge on Sept 7, 2017 9:50:40 GMT
Does anyone know or have an idea about what Tom Shaw is being paid? Say the traditional assistant manager's salary was £30k a year, and a senior players is £25k a year (completely random), will Tom Shaw be on £55k a year, or will he be on a combined salary of say £40k as he is playing less and has little coaching experience?
My concern is that he's been given the assistants job at a reduced rate e.g £40k, which would then have allowed us to strengthen the playing budget by £15k. Therefore if a new manager wanted their own assistant, we wouldn't have the budget for it. It's all conjecture of course, but I think most new managers will want their own assistant.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 7, 2017 11:04:45 GMT
When the new manager, whoever he may be, is appointed Tom Shaw needs to return to the playing squad. It's very likely the new man may want his own assistant anyway. All remnants of JM's disastrous reign need to be expunged and that includes Iwelumo and the goalkeeping coach. Callum is excused as his role is essentially with the academy. The fact that you want to get rid of a person who in a very long playing career made 72 first team appearances for us and then went on to to coach at Man City speaks volumes about you. What specifically would you say Felgate is getting wrong with our keepers? Also, when we had fit strikers like Alabi last season who was one of our best players at many games just what was Ilwelumo getting wrong exactly given Alabi cited him as one of the reasons he was playing well? Mind you, it is very nice that you let McIntyre off the hook, or had you just run out of bile at last? Bile, what bile. You seem to have a problem with me CD. The club needs a clear out. Most people I talk to reckon Shaw should be playing. Whatever the GK coach is doing it's not working because Lynch has gone backwards this season and are you serious about Chris 'No Show' Iwelumo. I've come to these conclusions after a general consensus of fellow supporters who know a lot more about football than I do. |
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Sept 7, 2017 11:12:05 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 7, 2017 11:12:05 GMT
Shaw should definately be on the pitch to strenghem the midfield and Matty Waters and Jonathon Jones integetrated into the fitst team squad at the expense of Chappell Joyce and Davies. I've seen James Jones referred to as Ben and now Jonathon! |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 7, 2017 11:36:44 GMT
Shaw should definately be on the pitch to strenghem the midfield and Matty Waters and Jonathon Jones integetrated into the fitst team squad at the expense of Chappell Joyce and Davies. I've seen James Jones referred to as Ben and now Jonathon! Ben was my bad. Didn't we at one point have a young lad called Ben Jones? Think I just defaulted there. Regardless he still should have started against Solihull. |
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Sept 7, 2017 11:39:21 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 7, 2017 11:39:21 GMT
Yeah think Ben was a forward under the Bobby Williamson era - one of Bobby's Babes at the time with the likes of Roberts, Marsh-Evans, Newton, Rutherford, Holroyd, McManus...
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 7, 2017 11:51:31 GMT
Both James Jones and Matty Waters should be on the team sheet ahead of this lad from Fleetwood imo.
We're running a risk that Ian Swettenham will stop supporting the Academy if we keep ignoring its graduates.
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Post by Imperial on Sept 7, 2017 12:18:56 GMT
Yeah think Ben was a forward under the Bobby Williamson era - one of Bobby's Babes at the time with the likes of Roberts, Marsh-Evans, Newton, Rutherford, Holroyd, McManus... Yeah that sounds about right. Fair one, we had a decent youth side back then didn't we? |
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