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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 6, 2017 11:44:56 GMT
One of the main things that's been noticeable about everyone's views over the last few weeks, is how many comments there have been about how negative and awful the football has been. Now McCarthy has gone, I'd like to ask the question, if a new manager came in, and still played negative tactics which wasn't pretty to watch but ultimately got us results, would people be happy with this ? and would it get attendances back up because we were winning ? I know in the position we're in we can't go out and get the perfect manager, but given the amount of comments about how dire the football has been, do the board need to look at what style of play a new manager would bring in, and not just pick someone because of their experience etc ? |
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Post by chesterken on Sept 6, 2017 11:49:58 GMT
Not for me I want to see us play good football again it's been a while, I would not be happy to watch football of the standard we have had to endure over the past months even if we are winning games.
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 6, 2017 11:56:07 GMT
Short term maybe would be ok with dull defensive football, but medium to long term time we need to play entertaining football. It's the only way we will build crowds. Do need ok results too though.
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Post by Duck on Sept 6, 2017 12:09:00 GMT
In an ideal world we need a manager who is talented and diverse enough to be able to work with this squad (that they are going to inherit) to pull us clear of relegation, but have a view to a more exciting style of play once they have the opportunity to bring in the right players.
I feel that what we really need is a manager with ambition. One that isn't going to just settle for 50 points and feel that's job done but instead look for the next target that's achievable, 60 points, 70 points, catching Wrexham up - even if we don't achieve those things at the end of the season, at least we've given it a go and kept pushing, performing for those fans who've paid their hard-earned money in good faith. Not to deliberately write a description of the polar-opposite of JM, we also need a manager who has the integrity to admit when we simply weren't good enough and not make excuses.
In terms of getting fans back... if we become a very exciting team, and still lose 2-0 every week, those fans that are staying away will just see 2-0 written as a defeat and that wont bring them back - so results do matter, but hopefully we can start to play with more confidence at least, which will make a difference!
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Post by gone4eva on Sept 6, 2017 12:09:16 GMT
/photo/1
says alot that the 5th 'big' thing is results.
ownership models ahead of the game.
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Post by Duck on Sept 6, 2017 12:19:50 GMT
says alot that the 5th 'big' thing is results. ownership models ahead of the game. Thankfully it was also pointed out that in football that's the one that counts. By all accounts, he was indeed brilliant at the other four, and that's probably how he lasted as long as he did - but maybe we need a manager who really just concentrates on that "results" point, and whilst acknowledging their importance, lets other people worry about the other four. |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 6, 2017 12:28:13 GMT
Results have got to be more important. I'd love to see exciting football but if Macca's long punts had worked I'd have happily taken 3 points every week.
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Post by bing on Sept 6, 2017 12:30:00 GMT
/photo/1 says alot that the 5th 'big' thing is results. ownership models ahead of the game. I'm pretty confident that Jim wasn't doing a top 5! |
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Post by Dodge on Sept 6, 2017 13:14:50 GMT
Results have got to be more important. I'd love to see exciting football but if Macca's long punts had worked I'd have happily taken 3 points every week. Totally agree. If a new manager wanted the team to sit back for 90 mins and have Astles boot the ball up to a target man like Parkin, I couldn't care less if it got us results. But the biggest problem we've had since Burr's final season is that we have had squads set up to play football (Hannah 15-16, Alabi/Richards 16-17, Hannah/White/Akintunde 17-18), but have still reverted to playing negative hoof ball tactics that are incompatible with the squad. |
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Post by Al on Sept 6, 2017 13:19:49 GMT
No offence to the OP, but if we play like we have the first 8 games under a new manager there isn't a hope in hells chance of us getting any results.
All we had under McCarthy was a disorganised, disjoined shambles.
If someone came in and made us solid, and moved on several of this squad to bring in suitable replacements, then I would definitely take that. Why? Because you can build on that, and take the team forward off the back of it.
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 6, 2017 14:21:48 GMT
/photo/1 says alot that the 5th 'big' thing is results. ownership models ahead of the game. I'm pretty confident that Jim wasn't doing a top 5! JM was very reluctant to blood Sam Hughes and only did so because he came under so much pressure. He then played him out of position for most of last season. We also saw last night that he would rather bring in a poor loanee than give a game to one of our own. It's all very well saying that he buys into the academy situation, but there comes a time when you have to give the likes of Matty Waters a go or as NWAS said send them out on loan. |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 6, 2017 14:31:09 GMT
I'm pretty confident that Jim wasn't doing a top 5! JM was very reluctant to blood Sam Hughes and only did so because he came under so much pressure. He then played him out of position for most of last season. We also saw last night that he would rather bring in a poor loanee than give a game to one of our own. It's all very well saying that he buys into the academy situation, but there comes a time when you have to give the likes of Matty Waters a go or as NWAS said send them out on loan. Can't believe he didn't play Jones last night. We needed a CB, we've got a (by all accounts) very talented young lad who didn't look at all out of his depth against Runcorn pre-season (I know it's only Runcorn but still). Instead he played Halls in the middle & got a full back in on loan...  |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 6, 2017 15:07:14 GMT
/photo/1 says alot that the 5th 'big' thing is results. ownership models ahead of the game. I'd actually question how much the outgoing manager actually bought into the idea of the academy and bringing youth players through too. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 7, 2017 10:16:20 GMT
No offence to the OP, but if we play like we have the first 8 games under a new manager there isn't a hope in hells chance of us getting any results.
All we had under McCarthy was a disorganised, disjoined shambles. If someone came in and made us solid, and moved on several of this squad to bring in suitable replacements, then I would definitely take that. Why? Because you can build on that, and take the team forward off the back of it. No offence taken because you're right. My main comment though was regards a manager coming in and playing negative tactics/unattractive football and getting results. Things under McCarthy were indeed disorganised, and a shambles but an organised experienced manager could come in and play a similar style to JM but with more organisation and more effectively, which ultimately could bring winning results. |
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Post by superman on Sept 7, 2017 10:23:26 GMT
If JM had got results using his style and tactics, not impossible as part of last season shows, he would still be manager now. We have to be pragmatic, win first, expansive football second.
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