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Post by lookingin on Sept 9, 2017 8:15:18 GMT
If we are fan owned club? Why are we not picking a new manager. Look at what the board has done with the last two managers and contracts? I feel we need to be taking control of this?
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Post by sqzl on Sept 9, 2017 8:19:25 GMT
Why don't we just pick the team each week as well based on a Twitter poll? Crazy suggestion.
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Post by lookingin on Sept 9, 2017 8:39:01 GMT
Or we could we 6 games and let someone give a two and a half year deal out. All I'm trying to say is as being fan owned. We need to be closer to the big decisions. As I see it now all we are doing is letting someone play as a football owner. With out his own money. I know if it was his own money he wouldn't be handing out two and half year deals. But we are a fan own club and he can. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 9, 2017 9:26:15 GMT
Or we could we 6 games and let someone give a two and a half year deal out. All I'm trying to say is as being fan owned. We need to be closer to the big decisions. As I see it now all we are doing is letting someone play as a football owner. With out his own money. I know if it was his own money he wouldn't be handing out two and half year deals. But we are a fan own club and he can. That's all I'm saying. Yes we're fan owned, but people are put in place to still make these kind of deciscions. You don't like what they do, then you vote them out when the chance arises, that's how it works. I've got shares in Domino's Pizzas but they don't ask me what I think the new flavour of Pizza should be, or should we open a shop in Luton. I get a chance to voice my opinion at the AGM, the same way anyone who is a member of the CFU does at the regular meetings. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 9, 2017 9:32:28 GMT
If we are fan owned club? Why are we not picking a new manager. Look at what the board has done with the last two managers and contracts? I feel we need to be taking control of this? You are way of the mark that is what the board is elected to do based on your suggestion if we have 1000-1500 CFU members all with differing opinions and how the hell do you hold interviews with possibly 1500 employers sat at the table you'd need one hell of a table for starters. |
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 9, 2017 11:00:53 GMT
If we are fan owned club? Why are we not picking a new manager. Look at what the board has done with the last two managers and contracts? I feel we need to be taking control of this? It is because we are in line with other fan-owned clubs and the Supporters Direct tried and tested model in having delegate rather than direct democracy. It is the same type of democracy that you have in most mutual/cooperatives, trade unions, or for that matter the British Parliament (we don't elect the PM, the winning party selects one of their own number for that position). So we elect the Board, and the Board appoints to the paid positions, including the manager. If you don't like how the Board do things you can elect different people to it, it is a system that I am very happy with as it provides the club with a large element of operational stability (which direct democracy models tend not to have) and democratic accountability. |
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Post by bluecestrian on Sept 9, 2017 11:08:24 GMT
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Sept 9, 2017 11:10:46 GMT
In fairness, it is the Operations Board who will essentially appoint the new manager. They will interview and then recommend to the full board. We don't as CFU members elect the Operations Board - which to my knowledge was created for the day-to-day running of the club. Now we've got Mark Maguire for that I'm not entirely sure why we still need an Operations Board.
I do think there is an argument for freshening up those who interview, as it is the same people on the Ops Board that appointed Burr and McCarthy. If we keep making the wrong appointments then we have to look at those making that decision.
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Post by alty on Sept 9, 2017 11:36:35 GMT
In fairness, it is the Operations Board who will essentially appoint the new manager. They will interview and then recommend to the full board. We don't as CFU members elect the Operations Board - which to my knowledge was created for the day-to-day running of the club. Now we've got Mark Maguire for that I'm not entirely sure why we still need an Operations Board. I do think there is an argument for freshening up those who interview, as it is the same Ops Board that appointed Burr and McCarthy. If we keep making the wrong appointments then we have to look at those making that decision.
The majority of managerial appointments at football clubs end up being "wrong" in hindsight. I'd guess that the average time in the job for a manager must be around a season, which means the selection process isn't just a problem for us.
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Post by adrianh on Sept 9, 2017 11:37:41 GMT
It's not the same board. Ops board is re-elected every year after AGM by the main CFU board. Also Ops board wasn't in existence when Burr was appointed.
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Post by Captain Duff on Sept 9, 2017 11:50:45 GMT
I do think there is an argument for freshening up those who interview, as it is the same Ops Board that appointed Burr and McCarthy. If we keep making the wrong appointments then we have to look at those making that decision. And at the time Burr and McCarthy were appointed I don't remember hearing any opposition to those decisions from fans, or any negative comments at all on any DC1 thread. The irony is that had fans had a very direct input into those decisions at the time I have no doubt the appontments would still have been made, although hindsight is a wonderful thing, as are selective memories of course. |
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Sept 9, 2017 11:59:03 GMT
I do think there is an argument for freshening up those who interview, as it is the same Ops Board that appointed Burr and McCarthy. If we keep making the wrong appointments then we have to look at those making that decision. And at the time Burr and McCarthy were appointed I don't remember hearing any opposition to those decisions from fans, or any negative comments at all on any DC1 thread. The irony is that had fans had a very direct input into those decisions at the time I have no doubt the appontments would still have been made, although hindsight is a wonderful thing, as are selective memories of course. No opposition to McCarthy's appointment. Now that is a selective memory. |
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Post by rcb on Sept 9, 2017 12:01:20 GMT
I do think there is an argument for freshening up those who interview, as it is the same Ops Board that appointed Burr and McCarthy. If we keep making the wrong appointments then we have to look at those making that decision. And at the time Burr and McCarthy were appointed I don't remember hearing any opposition to those decisions from fans, or any negative comments at all on any DC1 thread. The irony is that had fans had a very direct input into those decisions at the time I have no doubt the appontments would still have been made, although hindsight is a wonderful thing, as are selective memories of course. Bring in Michael Owen as a football consultant for the selection process. |
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