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Post by RhosesmorBlue on Feb 8, 2017 9:43:36 GMT
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Post by Captain Bluebeard on Feb 8, 2017 10:11:35 GMT
Quite naturally Sam wants to play at a higher level and will no doubt do that. Reading this i'd say it's doubtful he would likely resign in the face of any interest in the summer. Which makes it even more important we put him into the starting line up this weekend and to the end of the season. Make him captain....possibly or have a captain of defence and midfield i.e. Sam for defence and Shaw or George for midfield if we didnt want to go the full hog. Its about getting the most out of him between now and the end of the season both on the pitch and off it financially.
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 8, 2017 10:24:48 GMT
Playing him as much as possible from now until the end of the season will also mean more first-team appearances in his career; this will mean we have a stronger case in a tribunal, which will lead to us getting more money for him. No brainer to start Sam.
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 8, 2017 11:03:13 GMT
I'll be dumbfounded if he doesn't start at the heart of the defence on Saturday. It's an absolute no-brainer!!
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 8, 2017 11:07:24 GMT
We shouldn't have to start him every week just for that reason - he's arguably our best player and should be the first name on the team sheet in any case.
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Post by RhosesmorBlue on Feb 8, 2017 11:29:51 GMT
It makes an absolute mockery out of the transfer system though, when you believe you will be better off letting his contract run out and then rely on a tribunal.... They must think they are going to get over £100k in a tribunal.... Bizarre
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Post by sqzl on Feb 8, 2017 11:54:29 GMT
It makes an absolute mockery out of the transfer system though, when you believe you will be better off letting his contract run out and then rely on a tribunal.... They must think they are going to get over £100k in a tribunal.... BizarreNo, they wouldn't think that because it would be incredibly stupid. There's no chance we will get that from Tribunal. I would think we'll be getting more like £10k-15k! |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 8, 2017 11:55:00 GMT
I think the club has not only looked after its own interests here, but also Sams.
Yes he wants to paly at the highest level, although I think he is good enough, I don't think he is experienced enough yet, Barnsley would almost certainly have put him in their reserves for the rest of the season, I think he would be better off with us in his development for the time being, as long as he plays of course.
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Post by Al on Feb 8, 2017 11:58:43 GMT
It makes an absolute mockery out of the transfer system though, when you believe you will be better off letting his contract run out and then rely on a tribunal.... They must think they are going to get over £100k in a tribunal.... BizarreNo, they wouldn't think that because it would be incredibly stupid. There's no chance we will get that from Tribunal. I would think we'll be getting more like £10k-15k! We'll get more than that for him.
If it was James Alabi then yeah we probably would only get that amount for him.
But Sam has been developed through the youth system and made the grade at first team level to become a regular. Granted he's not made as many appearances as the like of Max Power did before their move to Wigan, but, we should be looking at around 100k upfront for Sam with various extras and sell on clauses afterwards.
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 8, 2017 12:01:04 GMT
I think it'll go to a tribunal in the summer and we'll get £80k - £120k for him. Sell-on clauses key too.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 8, 2017 12:08:06 GMT
I'd like to know what Barnsley's offer was if we decided a tribunal fee would be more appealing.
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 8, 2017 12:09:38 GMT
I'd like to know what Barnsley's offer was if we decided a tribunal fee would be more appealing. £70,000. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 12:10:15 GMT
It makes an absolute mockery out of the transfer system though, when you believe you will be better off letting his contract run out and then rely on a tribunal.... They must think they are going to get over £100k in a tribunal.... BizarreNo, they wouldn't think that because it would be incredibly stupid. There's no chance we will get that from Tribunal. I would think we'll be getting more like £10k-15k! Dover were awarded in excess of £50,000 plus addons for Sean Raggett when he moved to a club in the same league - Lincoln. |
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 8, 2017 12:24:32 GMT
To me it seems that the power lies very much in the hands of the buying clubs and not the selling clubs, which when you consider that the buying club is in the vast majority of cases the one higher up the ladder and with more financial clout, very concerning. In fact it actively discourages small clubs from running excellent youth systems like our own at the all important grass routes, community level.
A youth system requires funding, both financially and spiritually and both of these aspects are not looked after. By spiritually I mean that those involved in the system need to see the financial rewards that they are creating for their clubs to keep up the enthusiasm to support and maintain the grass routes development. I'm sure that they get reward from seeing lads they have nurtured moving on to a higher level, but I am bloody sure that they would further enjoy seeing the fruits of their labour benefitting and supporting the club itself financially, allowing more investment into the youth system.
With the amount of money sloshing around in football if all clubs like Chester can expect out of nurturing, developing and giving the opportunity to a player like Sam is £50K from a tribunal then there is something very wrong in the game.
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Post by Yogi on Feb 8, 2017 12:31:00 GMT
I agree if Macca believes he is in the best 11 which I think he definitely is he plays. My other concern would be what are we classing as a substantial bid because I thought that a compensation fee via any tribunal was usually minimal,compared to the value the club has of the player.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 8, 2017 12:53:09 GMT
I agree if Macca believes he is in the best 11 which I think he definitely is he plays. My other concern would be what are we classing as a substantial bid because I thought that a compensation fee via any tribunal was usually minimal,compared to the value the club has of the player. "Substantial" may just be something the club are putting out there to create better offers come the summer. I don't think we would have turned down a genuinely substantial bid. The fact that a few clubs have looked at Sam means that hopefully we are in a slightly stronger position with him than we are with James. |
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Post by ctid on Feb 8, 2017 13:01:07 GMT
Maguire seemed very confident/admanant we will get more than what Barnsley offered at a tribunal.
I think this is very unlikely.
Seems a very risky game to go to a tribunal when we could've got a good fee for in January considering he hasn't got much time left on his contract.
Do we not learn from previous dealings? Granted Heneghan slightly different but was still a big error.
Maguire and co should be doing more to get Sam to sign a deal with a clause he can leave therefore we would be able to get a better transfer fee.
Seems Maguire is happy to go to a tribunal without actually trying to get Sam to sign a new deal.
Turning down Barnsley's offer could be a big mistake.
Also don't we have to wait about 6 months for tribunal to decide? Therefore missing out on money to spend in the summer - Kingsley James deal took ages to go though.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 8, 2017 13:08:53 GMT
Hope Maguire's confidence is justified, but our last experience of a tribunal with Kingsley James was pretty terrible, dragging on for weeks and resulting in us getting less than if we'd just accepted Halifax's offer.
I get the feeling tribunals often result in poor valuations to encourage clubs to come to agreements themselves.
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Post by Al on Feb 8, 2017 13:19:02 GMT
This is what I keep telling people. The Kingsley James situation is completely different to Sam Hughes.
Kingsley was with us a season and moved to a club in the same division, we snapped him up from Hereford for nothing therefore any compensation we were awarded via the tribunal was minimal - he wasn't produced by the club.
SAM HUGHES HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY THE YOUTH TEAM
There is a massive difference in the two situations.
We can prove the amount of time, and money we have invested in Sam and show his progress at each year of his development leading to where he is now - a crucial first team player. This season is still not over, if Sam captains the first team, then we can prove in a tribunal that not only is he homegrown, but he's also captained the side - that's extra money in the bank right there. If he plays week in week out until the end of the season again that's more money in the clubs back pocket.
Listen to what I'm telling you people, if Sam Hughes moves to Barnsley or similar sized club in the summer we will not be left with a similar amount awarded to us like we were with Kingsley James. We are looking at around 100k maybe 120k, BUT WE MUST NOT ACCEPT ANY DEAL WITHOUT AT LEAST A 20% SELL ON CLAUSE.
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Post by Krankie's Ghost on Feb 8, 2017 13:20:50 GMT
In fairness to Barnsley - They've developed Mawson and Stones over last few years, they have good record developing players, would be good move for Sam - not too far away either
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Post by 3mm on Feb 8, 2017 13:54:21 GMT
I think Maguire is pretty shrewd and will have weighed things up pretty carefully. He will have worked out what we're likely to get at a tribinal, which must be considerably less than Barnsley's offer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 13:56:51 GMT
I think Maguire is pretty shrewd and will have weighed things up pretty carefully. He will have worked out what we're likely to get at a tribinal, which must be considerably less than Barnsley's offer. more? |
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 8, 2017 14:01:04 GMT
This is what I keep telling people. The Kingsley James situation is completely different to Sam Hughes. Kingsley was with us a season and moved to a club in the same division, we snapped him up from Hereford for nothing therefore any compensation we were awarded via the tribunal was minimal - he wasn't produced by the club. SAM HUGHES HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY THE YOUTH TEAM There is a massive difference in the two situations. We can prove the amount of time, and money we have invested in Sam and show his progress at each year of his development leading to where he is now - a crucial first team player. This season is still not over, if Sam captains the first team, then we can prove in a tribunal that not only is he homegrown, but he's also captained the side - that's extra money in the bank right there. If he plays week in week out until the end of the season again that's more money in the clubs back pocket. Listen to what I'm telling you people, if Sam Hughes moves to Barnsley or similar sized club in the summer we will not be left with a similar amount awarded to us like we were with Kingsley James. We are looking at around 100k maybe 120k, BUT WE MUST NOT ACCEPT ANY DEAL WITHOUT AT LEAST A 20% SELL ON CLAUSE. Spot on, this. |
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Post by 3mm on Feb 8, 2017 14:06:26 GMT
I think Maguire is pretty shrewd and will have weighed things up pretty carefully. He will have worked out what we're likely to get at a tribinal, which must be considerably less than Barnsley's offer. more? D'oh .... quite right, MORE  |
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Post by Andy on Feb 8, 2017 15:07:49 GMT
Can we still get a sell on clause for him if it goes to a tribunal ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 15:13:07 GMT
Can we still get a sell on clause for him if it goes to a tribunal ? Yes. Pretty sure appearance clauses etc can also be added |
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Post by Al on Feb 8, 2017 15:17:51 GMT
Can we still get a sell on clause for him if it goes to a tribunal ? YES |
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Post by dmcnally on Feb 8, 2017 15:54:18 GMT
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Post by sqzl on Feb 8, 2017 16:13:18 GMT
Can we still get a sell on clause for him if it goes to a tribunal ? YES Have to say, my prediction of 10-15k was a little harsh in hindsight. I still think we'll be lucky to get the £70k reportedly offered. I just hope the guys behind the scenes here have learnt their lesson from previous transfer blunders. Any fee for Hughes is pointless unless there is a sell on clause i agree with you. The sell on clause will make us much more than the tribunal fee should he reach his potential. Barnsley is the perfect club: Stones & Holgate to name two, have moved to Everton in the past few years, with stones now 'worth' £50m! Imagine Barnsleys delight at that sell on clause when he went to City.. |
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