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Post by sqzl on Sept 16, 2017 15:57:47 GMT
Huge having Astles back, but Turnbull is a massive loss for us. Dawson has been poor for several games in a row so he needs to show more today. Not sure if I prefer White to Akintunde yet not seen enough of him and he needs to stay fit, gives us an option with height though. After seeing the team, I'm a touch more confident with big Astles back but think Turbull was vital to winning today. I'll change my prediction to 1-1. Really? I though he played well when he came on on Saturday - it was his 40 yard cross-field ball that made the goal. Also, he apparently ran the show at Gateshead when Turnbull went off. Didn't go to Gateshead, but been crap again today, and was crap at Solihull. He's so overrated with some fans because he grabs a goal and can play a pass when given time and space. We're terrible. |
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Post by Derry Blue on Sept 16, 2017 15:58:54 GMT
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Post by Derry Blue on Sept 16, 2017 15:59:34 GMT
Barrow equalise against Torquay did we win? ? |
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Post by casual125 on Sept 16, 2017 16:00:11 GMT
no 5th goal had my life savings on it... you jinxed it ha |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Sept 16, 2017 16:00:20 GMT
Barrow equalise against Torquay did we win? Strange. |
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Post by thetheremin on Sept 16, 2017 16:00:30 GMT
Haven't you realised that their are a fair few others who think we will win today? Well it's been shown that they are stupid now hasn't it. We are utter rubbish and heading for relegation. How the hell is the new manager going to sort this mess out. Thanks Macca. Not sure things are that bad. This team has no confidence. That's the problem. |
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Post by durdy on Sept 16, 2017 16:04:13 GMT
Not all bad news Wrexham have equalised 90+6 against Guiseley and we are only 12 points (that's 4 wins ) off the top 😉
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Post by Derry Blue on Sept 16, 2017 16:05:26 GMT
no 5th goal had my life savings on it... you jinxed it ha Sorry. |
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Post by bonecrusher on Sept 16, 2017 16:10:23 GMT
Well it's been shown that they are stupid now hasn't it. We are utter rubbish and heading for relegation. How the hell is the new manager going to sort this mess out. Thanks Macca. Not sure things are that bad. This team has no confidence. That's the problem. Confidence obviously a massive issue, I agree with that. A few weeks ago I thought we would turn it round actually and then hoped that getting rid of Macca would kick start an improvement. It clearly hasn't and I am now really worried that we're on our way down. The new manager has a hell of a job and I HOPE, really hope that it's only confidence that is the problem but I doubt it. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Sept 16, 2017 16:13:35 GMT
Board need to hold their hands up to this. JM should have gone at the end of last season but they decided to back him - under what notion I have no idea. He's blown our budget on an unbalanced squad, dishing out 2 year contracts to bang average players and left us in an absolute mess. Burying their head in the sand and blindly backing him has left any new manager with a massive task. There will be no money to strengthen so whoever comes in will have to make something of this shower. With an AGM on the horizon, let's not lose sight of how we have found ourselves in the situation we now find.
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Post by Si on Sept 16, 2017 16:15:42 GMT
Relegation battle for sure. Not enough creativity from midfield and a chronic lack of pace at the back. And we keep conceding off crosses and corners despite 2 giant centre backs.
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Post by Si on Sept 16, 2017 16:21:52 GMT
Relegation battle for sure. Not enough creativity from midfield and a chronic lack of pace at the back. And we keep conceding off crosses and corners despite 2 giant centre backs. In fact relegation battle might be optimistic. Could well be simply a whimper unless we see a drastic turn around. Just not good enough, and for results like today the players have to take some responsibility. McCarthy protected them too much, some of these lads are seasoned pro's who are badly letting us down. |
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 16, 2017 16:23:12 GMT
Just got back to my car after a pathetic attempt by Chester to compete with a bang average Dover side. I don't think we are in a relegation battle, I think we are certs to finish 24th. I can't see us getting 30 points.As Big Si says we can't defend and we can't create anything. The new manager has one hell of a task, which this team aren't up to.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Sept 16, 2017 16:24:24 GMT
This squad is poor. It is little or no improvement on last season. Any new manager has got one hell of a job on their hands. We should have gone for the strong physical players that this league requires. The hope lies with younger players who are untainted by failure or finding a couple of gems in the lower leagues.
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Post by Si on Sept 16, 2017 16:26:13 GMT
Just got back to my car after a pathetic attempt by Chester to compete with a bang average Dover side. I don't think we are in a relegation battle, I think we are certs to finish 24th. I can't see us getting 30 points.As Big Si says we can't defend and we can't create anything. The new manager has one hell of a task, which this team aren't up to. A Dover team who lost all their best players in the summer and ended up with shit like Kane Richards but still much better than our lads. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:28:13 GMT
The BBC Sport website has started showing the League tables with the 5 game W/D/L form for each club colour-coordinated.
It's not a pretty sight for us
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Sept 16, 2017 16:29:26 GMT
No words for today. Not yet anyway. At least only 65 blues had to watch it. Now for a 5 hour journey back to Neston. Why do we put ourselves through it? Gutted, I saw some glimmers of hope in the 2nd half v Ebbsfleet and Gateshead but now I wonder who on earth can save us from relegation?
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Post by Hannibal on Sept 16, 2017 16:42:26 GMT
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Post by billyw on Sept 16, 2017 16:52:22 GMT
Relegation battle for sure. Not enough creativity from midfield and a chronic lack of pace at the back. And we keep conceding off crosses and corners despite 2 giant centre backs. A tall commanding goalkeeper who can collect crosses needs to be a priority for the new manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 16:55:07 GMT
Shaw offers no excuses applauds the 65 who went has said sorry to them gives credit to Kinnear on how his team play has thanked the Board for giving him 3 games new manager needs results and fast to bring back / entertain the fans
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Sept 16, 2017 16:58:55 GMT
Shaw offers no excuses applauds the 65 who went has said sorry to them gives credit to Kinnear on how his team play has thanked the Board for giving him 3 games new manager needs results and fast to bring back / entertain the fans Tom Shaw to start playing again would give us another option....how one of our best players last season became a coach/part time player at the age of 30/31 beggars belief! |
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Post by billyw on Sept 16, 2017 17:04:07 GMT
The thing is we didn't really expect to win against Gateshead and Dover. It was the lucky draw at Torquay and the loss at Solihull that has screwed us and the Board is responsible for continuing to employ the clueless one when anyone with an atom of sense could see that he was completely frigging useless.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 16, 2017 17:05:11 GMT
Dear me. Just got back after a nice afternoon with my mates to find this out. We are in a big mess and the new manager will have a real task on his hands. Poor thing. Also hats off to everyone who went to witness that today. Poor things.
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Post by trev on Sept 16, 2017 17:07:25 GMT
Board need to hold their hands up to this. JM should have gone at the end of last season but they decided to back him - under what notion I have no idea. He's blown our budget on an unbalanced squad, dishing out 2 year contracts to bang average players and left us in an absolute mess. Burying their head in the sand and blindly backing him has left any new manager with a massive task. There will be no money to strengthen so whoever comes in will have to make something of this shower. With an AGM on the horizon, let's not lose sight of how we have found ourselves in the situation we now find. I’ve just had a quick look back at posts made last April demanding McCarthy be removed and the dire consequences if he remained. Ironically, given how the team performed for months these posters were seen as negative and Unhelpful, AKA the Vocal minority ! As TB and others have said, this situation the Club now finds itself was utterly predictable and totally avoidable. But some close to the Club felt JM had qualities which were not just about first team results. What folly. How does being marooned in conf north help the community side of the club or its future growth? The only benefit from failing to dispose of Jon McCarthy at the correct time as that his pay off was reduced by several months, which at least will keep the Accountant happy! My real worry now is this that I felt the current first team looked good enough, but I have to admit I was wrong. JM signed several injury prone players ( including Hannah and White), a back four bereft of any pace and a midfield still lacking real creativity. We also seem to lack a physical presence in most areas of the pitch (a fit Astles excepted). The squad is wafer thin, and to give the new manager any chance of getting us out of this self- inflicted mess we must let him to dip into rainy day fund - because right now its pouring down and the weather doesn’t get any better in Conference north. ..
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Post by billyw on Sept 16, 2017 17:13:07 GMT
Board need to hold their hands up to this. JM should have gone at the end of last season but they decided to back him - under what notion I have no idea. He's blown our budget on an unbalanced squad, dishing out 2 year contracts to bang average players and left us in an absolute mess. Burying their head in the sand and blindly backing him has left any new manager with a massive task. There will be no money to strengthen so whoever comes in will have to make something of this shower. With an AGM on the horizon, let's not lose sight of how we have found ourselves in the situation we now find. I’ve just had a quick look back at posts made last April demanding McCarthy be removed and the dire consequences if he remained. Ironically, given how the team performed for months these posters were seen as negative and Unhelpful, AKA the Vocal minority ! As TB and others have said, this situation the Club now finds itself was utterly predictable and totally avoidable. But some close to the Club felt JM had qualities which were not just about first team results. What folly. How does being marooned in conf north help the community side of the club or its future growth? The only benefit from failing to dispose of Jon McCarthy at the correct time as that his pay off was reduced by several months, which at least will keep the Accountant happy! My real worry now is this that I felt the current first team looked good enough, but I have to admit I was wrong. JM signed several injury prone players ( including Hannah and White), a back four bereft of any pace and a midfield still lacking real creativity. We also seem to lack a physical presence in most areas of the pitch (a fit Astles excepted). The squad is wafer thin, and to give the new manager any chance of getting us out of this self- inflicted mess we must let him to dip into rainy day fund - because right now its pouring down and the weather doesn’t get any better in Conference north. ..
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Post by Lobster on Sept 16, 2017 17:27:16 GMT
Feels like we got the hammering we've been asking for over the last few weeks, and could've got at Aldershot or Hartlepool.
Depressing times really. Does it have to be this way? It feels like, through Burr and especially McCarthy, we've had it drilled into us over the last few years that we're small fry and a season of struggle is inevitable. We've become a club seemingly happen to make up the numbers for as long as possible in this lousy division.
It is still early in the season and teams have survived worse (like us in 2001/02), but the new man has a job on his hands, that's for sure.
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 16, 2017 17:28:45 GMT
I’ve just had a quick look back at posts made last April demanding McCarthy be removed and the dire consequences if he remained. Ironically, given how the team performed for months these posters were seen as negative and Unhelpful, AKA the Vocal minority ! As TB and others have said, this situation the Club now finds itself was utterly predictable and totally avoidable. But some close to the Club felt JM had qualities which were not just about first team results. What folly. How does being marooned in conf north help the community side of the club or its future growth? The only benefit from failing to dispose of Jon McCarthy at the correct time as that his pay off was reduced by several months, which at least will keep the Accountant happy! My real worry now is this that I felt the current first team looked good enough, but I have to admit I was wrong. JM signed several injury prone players ( including Hannah and White), a back four bereft of any pace and a midfield still lacking real creativity. We also seem to lack a physical presence in most areas of the pitch (a fit Astles excepted). The squad is wafer thin, and to give the new manager any chance of getting us out of this self- inflicted mess we must let him to dip into rainy day fund - because right now its pouring down and the weather doesn’t get any better in Conference north. ..
Great post Is there any of the rainy day fund left? If there is do we spend it now to stay in this league or save it for next year for trying to get back up out of the National North? Looking at the teams in the National North I reckon we'd have to spend less money to stay in this division than we would getting back out of the division below. |
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Post by thebluecamp on Sept 16, 2017 17:30:10 GMT
I’ve just had a quick look back at posts made last April demanding McCarthy be removed and the dire consequences if he remained. Ironically, given how the team performed for months these posters were seen as negative and Unhelpful, AKA the Vocal minority ! As TB and others have said, this situation the Club now finds itself was utterly predictable and totally avoidable. But some close to the Club felt JM had qualities which were not just about first team results. What folly. How does being marooned in conf north help the community side of the club or its future growth? The only benefit from failing to dispose of Jon McCarthy at the correct time as that his pay off was reduced by several months, which at least will keep the Accountant happy! My real worry now is this that I felt the current first team looked good enough, but I have to admit I was wrong. JM signed several injury prone players ( including Hannah and White), a back four bereft of any pace and a midfield still lacking real creativity. We also seem to lack a physical presence in most areas of the pitch (a fit Astles excepted). The squad is wafer thin, and to give the new manager any chance of getting us out of this self- inflicted mess we must let him to dip into rainy day fund - because right now its pouring down and the weather doesn’t get any better in Conference north. ..
Great post Agreed. No matter who is appointed to turn us into a winning team, there is no way that it can be done with this squad with "the click of a finger". Unless the new gaffer is allowed to strengthen in obvious positions, then we might as well plan for life in the Conference North. |
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Post by rick on Sept 16, 2017 17:36:11 GMT
Oh dear that was poor.
First half was a drab affair. Bright spell early at the start of the 2nd half, but once the 2nd went in, it was game over.
Astles wasnt fit, plodded along all match. I thought our best player was James, he put a good shift in. Others were bang average.
At least we didn't just hoof it, but with no width or creativity it was so easy for Dover who didn't really get out of 2nd gear.
Crap atmosphere considering they're at the top.
New manager has got a hell of a job on his hands.
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Post by tarvinblue on Sept 16, 2017 17:38:09 GMT
Board need to hold their hands up to this. JM should have gone at the end of last season but they decided to back him - under what notion I have no idea. He's blown our budget on an unbalanced squad, dishing out 2 year contracts to bang average players and left us in an absolute mess. Burying their head in the sand and blindly backing him has left any new manager with a massive task. There will be no money to strengthen so whoever comes in will have to make something of this shower. With an AGM on the horizon, let's not lose sight of how we have found ourselves in the situation we now find. I’ve just had a quick look back at posts made last April demanding McCarthy be removed and the dire consequences if he remained. Ironically, given how the team performed for months these posters were seen as negative and Unhelpful, AKA the Vocal minority ! As TB and others have said, this situation the Club now finds itself was utterly predictable and totally avoidable. But some close to the Club felt JM had qualities which were not just about first team results. What folly. How does being marooned in conf north help the community side of the club or its future growth? The only benefit from failing to dispose of Jon McCarthy at the correct time as that his pay off was reduced by several months, which at least will keep the Accountant happy! My real worry now is this that I felt the current first team looked good enough, but I have to admit I was wrong. JM signed several injury prone players ( including Hannah and White), a back four bereft of any pace and a midfield still lacking real creativity. We also seem to lack a physical presence in most areas of the pitch (a fit Astles excepted). The squad is wafer thin, and to give the new manager any chance of getting us out of this self- inflicted mess we must let him to dip into rainy day fund - because right now its pouring down and the weather doesn’t get any better in Conference north. ..
Spot on! It was absolutely clear after the Boreham Wood match that he should have gone - the atmosphere that day was hideous but there were still enough people out there willing to believe in his talk. Let's be honest, that was all it ever was. They have to get this next appointment correct and as you say offer the new manager some money to add to this squad. Look at the quality that York brought in last year and that still wasn't enough. At the end of the day, we vote on board members and trust that they will do the right thing. It is quite clear that they let the emotions they had towards JM affect their abilities to make a rational decision. |
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