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Post by rcb on Sept 18, 2017 22:58:30 GMT
It seems pretty obvious to me that no one on the board, and certainly not Maguire, knows anything about what constitutes a good football manager. Hence their monotonous persistence with McCarthy. The board is made up of volunteers so I wouldn't expect them to know what criteria to search for at interview. Maguire probably still thinks the sun shines out of McCarthy's arse, so unless there is an expert consultant brought in for the interviews they may as well just draw a name from a hat.
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Post by bing on Sept 18, 2017 23:05:58 GMT
It would also be interesting for people on Devachat to nail their colours to the mast.
I can see it now... If we choose Barrow and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for a younger manager with fresh ideas"; if we choose Bignot and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for Barrow's experience" etc.
Be interesting to see people make the decision in the 'here and now' rather than with the benefit of hindsight.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Sept 18, 2017 23:35:10 GMT
Quite correct Bing. As I've previously mentioned I feel we should st this stage be looking for whoever is going to shake the place up and get our club into life again. Preferably with being able to bring in a handful of faces on a shoestring perhaps even favours who will get us climbing the table. Not asking for much 😀. That has to be the ideal scenario with our present situation. Just feel we need a bit more than what we have currently got.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 19, 2017 6:28:06 GMT
I've heard the interviews aren't at the stadium, apparently.
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Post by chesterken on Sept 19, 2017 6:59:15 GMT
It seems pretty obvious to me that no one on the board, and certainly not Maguire, knows anything about what constitutes a good football manager. Hence their monotonous persistence with McCarthy. The board is made up of volunteers so I wouldn't expect them to know what criteria to search for at interview. Maguire probably still thinks the sun shines out of McCarthy's arse, so unless there is an expert consultant brought in for the interviews they may as well just draw a name from a hat. If it was that easy to select the perfect football Manager all teams would have a Alex Ferguson type in charge who stayed in place for years, but it's not like that. The pressure of being able to succeed in football at the upper end is great( and this level is the top of non league ) is massive and very few people manage to last more than 2 or 3 years.
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Post by rcb on Sept 19, 2017 7:29:26 GMT
It seems pretty obvious to me that no one on the board, and certainly not Maguire, knows anything about what constitutes a good football manager. Hence their monotonous persistence with McCarthy. The board is made up of volunteers so I wouldn't expect them to know what criteria to search for at interview. Maguire probably still thinks the sun shines out of McCarthy's arse, so unless there is an expert consultant brought in for the interviews they may as well just draw a name from a hat. If it was that easy to select the perfect football Manager all teams would have a Alex Ferguson type in charge who stayed in place for years, but it's not like that. The pressure of being able to succeed in football at the upper end is great( and this level is the top of non league ) is massive and very few people manage to last more than 2 or 3 years. Not sure if this is agreeing or disagreeing with the original post. It does recognise just how difficult it is to select an appropriate manager. The original point is about the difficulties in selecting a manager and neither the board or Maguire having the knowledge or expertise to make such a selection, in which case an expert consultant should be involved to help them through the process. In reference to the recently departed manager all the statements went on about what a standout candidate he was. In other words, the interview panel accepted what McCarthy put over to them as evidence that he was going to be the best man for the job. He clearly wasn't, to the point he turned out to be the most damaging manager that could have been appointed. An expert consultant would help in asking the right questions and recognise the right answers. No one said selecting via interview was ever easy or an accurate reflection of a candidate's ability, but expert advice and support is a useful addition.
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Post by sqzl on Sept 19, 2017 7:41:26 GMT
Really tough for anyone that has to make these decisions. If the top, top clubs make the wrong choice for their clubs, people that are paid hundreds of thousands, if not millions per annum, then you can understand it too.
I hope we go for someone with conference experience, not a punt. I'd take Bignot, Barrow or Money. Anyone else i wouldn't be interested. Rest assured though, this is a relegation scrap season and whoever comes in will not have a miracle cure for this team.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 19, 2017 9:22:53 GMT
It would also be interesting for people on Devachat to nail their colours to the mast. I can see it now... If we choose Barrow and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for a younger manager with fresh ideas"; if we choose Bignot and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for Barrow's experience" etc. Be interesting to see people make the decision in the 'here and now' rather than with the benefit of hindsight. Actually a good idea because people are very quick to say "we shouldn't have done that" and so on when they said nothing about it at the time. My first choice is still Bignot, but there are several other candidates I wouldn't be disappointed with (Barrow, Redfearn, Money). I suppose the idea with any job though is that if you someone makes it to the interview stage, you already believe they they meet the criteria and can do the job, so it's just a case of seeing who out of the interviewees comes across best, and what their salary and contract demands are. This is information the club have that we don't, so some allowance should be made for it. Just not Ronnie Moore. I think he's the opposite of what we need.
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Post by soulseal on Sept 19, 2017 14:12:01 GMT
The truth is none of us know the details that will make the difference in selection as Lobster notes.
On paper I would happily have Bignot or Barrow - can't choose between them, though they are very different prospects. Would be hard to look beyond these two, but Money and Redfean would not be bad choices at all.
Perhaps Kevin Davies would make a good manager, but with no track record we shouldn't take a risk. Also not interested in Moore as he would have the added challenge of winning the fans over. Why have added burdens.
I am going to say at this stage, and be prepared to be quoted, that I do trust our board to make the right decision.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 19, 2017 16:30:48 GMT
You know what, Steve Watson might not be a bad shout at all. Part of a relative success at Macc on a similar budget and crowds to us. Applied last time and was shortlisted to the final four.
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Post by rcb on Sept 19, 2017 16:46:23 GMT
Talking of experience, who has managed the most games in the National League - McCarthy or Bignot?
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 19, 2017 17:02:48 GMT
Talking of experience, who has managed the most games in the National League - McCarthy or Bignot? "Bignot made his National League managerial debut with the club on 6 August 2016, Solihull Moors beating last seasons National League South champions Sutton United 3–1 at their Gander Green Lane stadium in the opening game of the 2016–17 season.[47] Solihull Moors season started reasonably well with his team winning three of their first five games.[48][49] On 5 November 2015, in the FA Cup First Round, Bignots side came up against League Two opposition in the form of Yeovil Town away, they beat the odds and drew 2–2 having being two goals down to earn a replay.[50] During his time at Solihull Moors, the setup consisted of just a first team and an under-18 team; within 5 years, his additional role as director of football enhanced the structure of the club, creating 30-odd youth and junior teams, reserves, an academy and a disability section, as well as three girls teams and a ladies team, forming a community interest club within the surrounding areas of Solihull." In summary, McCarthy but Bignot has done a bloody better job in his time in the league!
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Post by rcb on Sept 19, 2017 21:01:24 GMT
Talking of experience, who has managed the most games in the National League - McCarthy or Bignot? "Bignot made his National League managerial debut with the club on 6 August 2016, Solihull Moors beating last seasons National League South champions Sutton United 3–1 at their Gander Green Lane stadium in the opening game of the 2016–17 season.[47] Solihull Moors season started reasonably well with his team winning three of their first five games.[48][49] On 5 November 2015, in the FA Cup First Round, Bignots side came up against League Two opposition in the form of Yeovil Town away, they beat the odds and drew 2–2 having being two goals down to earn a replay.[50] During his time at Solihull Moors, the setup consisted of just a first team and an under-18 team; within 5 years, his additional role as director of football enhanced the structure of the club, creating 30-odd youth and junior teams, reserves, an academy and a disability section, as well as three girls teams and a ladies team, forming a community interest club within the surrounding areas of Solihull." In summary, McCarthy but Bignot has done a bloody better job in his time in the league! Thanks for the research Danny. Shows how limited raw facts and statistics are. Much the same with cries that the new manager must have recent National League experience. A bit like repeating the same thing over and over. i.e. Claiming to have 10 years experience when in reality it is two years experience repeated five times. All those years ago Chester deservedly beat the great Leeds team 3-0, with Billy Bremner(Leeds captain) saying the best team won, but we all know Leeds were so much better to the point of being "in a different league". One off matches prove nothing. Perhaps Solihull just experienced several "one off matches" under Bignot. Didn't work out for him beyond Solihull after all. Let's see what the outcome of the interviews produces, and support whoever.
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Post by bing on Sept 20, 2017 6:37:28 GMT
It would also be interesting for people on Devachat to nail their colours to the mast. I can see it now... If we choose Barrow and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for a younger manager with fresh ideas"; if we choose Bignot and he doesn't do well... "we should have gone for Barrow's experience" etc. Be interesting to see people make the decision in the 'here and now' rather than with the benefit of hindsight. Actually a good idea because people are very quick to say "we shouldn't have done that" and so on when they said nothing about it at the time. My first choice is still Bignot, but there are several other candidates I wouldn't be disappointed with (Barrow, Redfearn, Money). I suppose the idea with any job though is that if you someone makes it to the interview stage, you already believe they they meet the criteria and can do the job, so it's just a case of seeing who out of the interviewees comes across best, and what their salary and contract demands are. This is information the club have that we don't, so some allowance should be made for it. Just not Ronnie Moore. I think he's the opposite of what we need. It's a tough choice (which is good!)... but I'd have to go for Bignot. He seems a good fit for where we are at. Certainly wouldn't be disappointed with any of the other candidates. Barrow in particular is one of my all-time favourites.
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