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Post by sqzl on Sept 21, 2017 11:10:51 GMT
Hugely controversial topic among supporters, players and everyone around football. However, one thing article really caught my eye after the England Womens international earlier this week: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127Personally think this is getting ridiculous, it clearly relates to the shirts worn by Tranmere players. I think the worlds going mad, everyone seems scared to say anything that 'may' be taken out of context. For god sake we're all human beings, equals. If someone says i'm going to watch the 'All Blacks' i don't scream racist at them. Thoughts? |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:14:59 GMT
It's not controversial at all.
The banner was relating to Tranmere Rovers men's team.
Not the England Women's team.
End of
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 11:18:34 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now and what has happened to Mark Sampson has set the course of the England national team back a decade - Aluko should be ashamed of herself.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:20:08 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now and what has happened to Mark Sampson has set the course of the England national team back a decade - Aluko should be ashamed of herself. He asked a black player how many times she had been arrested, and to make sure her family didn't bring EBOLA into the UK from Nigeria. The man is a clown and good riddance, because THAT is racist |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 11:25:14 GMT
Actually Oaksy,
At the time of said incident (regards the Ebola) Nigeria was one of quite a few African countries on the World Health Organisations (WHO) watch list for Ebola.
It probably wasn't well worded in what he said, but still. It's not actually racist is it.
No idea about the other question he is supposed to have asked. Did anyone find out how many times she'd been arrested in the end?
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:29:21 GMT
Actually Oaksy, At the time of said incident (regards the Ebola) Nigeria was one of quite a few African countries on the World Health Organisations (WHO) watch list for Ebola. It probably wasn't well worded in what he said, but still. It's not actually racist is it. No idea about the other question he is supposed to have asked. Did anyone find out how many times she'd been arrested in the end? Tell me then, how could Aluko possibly be held responsible for whether or not her family brought Ebola into the UK? Is she some sort of Doctor/Lawyer hybrid? The very fact that the man thought both statements/questions were acceptable to speak OUT LOUD to a Black Lawyer, tells me everything i need to know about him |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 11:34:44 GMT
Actually Oaksy, At the time of said incident (regards the Ebola) Nigeria was one of quite a few African countries on the World Health Organisations (WHO) watch list for Ebola. It probably wasn't well worded in what he said, but still. It's not actually racist is it. No idea about the other question he is supposed to have asked. Did anyone find out how many times she'd been arrested in the end? Tell me then, how could Aluko possibly be held responsible for whether or not her family brought Ebola into the UK? Is she some sort of Doctor/Lawyer hybrid? The very fact that the man thought both statements/questions were acceptable to speak OUT LOUD to a Black Lawyer, tells me everything i need to know about him There are better ways and more sensitive ways to approach it for sure, but, what he said regards the Ebola outbreak he was factually correct.
No idea regards a criminal record, maybe it was part of a background check upon first being called up to the squad? I know with job applications you have to formally state whether you have any criminal convictions.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 11:38:25 GMT
This is getting ridiculous now and what has happened to Mark Sampson has set the course of the England national team back a decade - Aluko should be ashamed of herself. He asked a black player how many times she had been arrested, and to make sure her family didn't bring EBOLA into the UK from Nigeria. The man is a clown and good riddance, because THAT is racist The allegations were unfounded, he was found innocent TWICE. But that's not good enough... |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:39:39 GMT
I'm not sure his intention was to be factually correct, it sounds to me like something that someone would say out of spite. I cannot think of one good reason why the manager of a football team would need to even mention to one of his players, something that was in the world press and would have clearly been in her mind to begin with when family planning a trip to UK from an Ebola infected region.
Number of arrests? Again, not relevant, and something that the FA should have access to Police file to be able to check, therefore eliminating the need for a manager to get involved.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:41:43 GMT
He asked a black player how many times she had been arrested, and to make sure her family didn't bring EBOLA into the UK from Nigeria. The man is a clown and good riddance, because THAT is racist The allegations were unfounded, he was found innocent TWICE. But that's not good enough... Unfounded only on the basis that the FA thought it would upset the chances of success in the current World Cup. Why was he sacked if he was innocent? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 11:45:33 GMT
The allegations were unfounded, he was found innocent TWICE. But that's not good enough... Unfounded only on the basis that the FA thought it would upset the chances of success in the current World Cup. Why was he sacked if he was innocent? He wasn't sacked for the Aluko lies. He was sacked because of information that the FA lied had "just come to light" about alleged inappropriate behaviour during his time at Bristol Academy a few years ago. However, Bristol Academy released a statement last night explaining that they cooperated fully with the FA investigation at the time and they confirmed that he had no case to answer. |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 11:49:55 GMT
I'm not sure his intention was to be factually correct, it sounds to me like something that someone would say out of spite. I cannot think of one good reason why the manager of a football team would need to even mention to one of his players, something that was in the world press and would have clearly been in her mind to begin with when family planning a trip to UK from an Ebola infected region. Number of arrests? Again, not relevant, and something that the FA should have access to Police file to be able to check, therefore eliminating the need for a manager to get involved. Anyway Oaksy, the bloke was cleared of all that twice.
That is a fact.
What he was sacked for was an allegation that he had been involved in something whilst at Bristol Academy. An accusation that was made prior to him being appointed at Head Coach of the Womens football team, that the FA were fully aware of at the time of appointing him. Only to drag it all up again now.
It all, to me, smacks of FA Partners laying down the law and threatening to withdraw funding and their Sponsorship whilst Sampson continued in the role - to any big corporation would you want to be linked to a National side and FA who have a man running a side who has been accused of racism, and is/was, by in large - a walking PR disaster??
I think this is less to do with alleged racism or accusations about his time at Bristol and more to do with ££££
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:50:04 GMT
Unfounded only on the basis that the FA thought it would upset the chances of success in the current World Cup. Why was he sacked if he was innocent? He wasn't sacked for the Aluko lies. He was sacked because of information that the FA lied had "just come to light" about alleged inappropriate behaviour during his time at Bristol Academy a few years ago. However, Bristol Academy released a statement last night explaining that they cooperated fully with the FA investigation at the time and they confirmed that he had no case to answer. Why did he have to pay Aluko £80k to save his job during the world cup then? Just because he has loads of money and likes to give people gifts? I am struggling to understand how people are defending him? is this some deep rooted hatred towards the FA, or just women in general? |
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Post by cfcforme on Sept 21, 2017 11:50:50 GMT
The allegations were unfounded, he was found innocent TWICE. But that's not good enough... Unfounded only on the basis that the FA thought it would upset the chances of success in the current World Cup. Why was he sacked if he was innocent? Because of a separate (non race related?) incident that has since come to light...! |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 11:52:03 GMT
Just read that myself, but come on... really are you guys silly enough to believe that nonsense?
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 11:54:16 GMT
He wasn't sacked for the Aluko lies. He was sacked because of information that the FA lied had "just come to light" about alleged inappropriate behaviour during his time at Bristol Academy a few years ago. However, Bristol Academy released a statement last night explaining that they cooperated fully with the FA investigation at the time and they confirmed that he had no case to answer. Why did he have to pay Aluko £80k to save his job during the world cup then? Just because he has loads of money and likes to give people gifts? I am struggling to understand how people are defending him? is this some deep rooted hatred towards the FA, or just women in general? Because he was investigated TWICE regards Aluko, and cleared TWICE.
When you find someone not guilty in a court of law, you don't keep going until you get the verdict you want.
In a court of law for example (and I am sure one or two lawyers amongst us can confirm this) once a person is found not guilty unless new evidence comes to light after that, the person cannot be re-trialled.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 11:56:22 GMT
Unfounded only on the basis that the FA thought it would upset the chances of success in the current World Cup. Why was he sacked if he was innocent? Because of a separate (non race related?) incident that has since come to light...! Except it hasn't. I've explained above. |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 11:57:15 GMT
Just read that myself, but come on... really are you guys silly enough to believe that nonsense?
The fact is he wasn't sacked regards Aluko.
He was sacked over an allegation made about him during his time at Bristol Academy - which the FA knew full well about at the time of hiring and even (as per the link from Mancot) investigated.
I don't deny Sampson is a walking PR disaster, but he's not racist.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 12:03:22 GMT
Why did he have to pay Aluko £80k to save his job during the world cup then? Just because he has loads of money and likes to give people gifts? I am struggling to understand how people are defending him? is this some deep rooted hatred towards the FA, or just women in general? Because he was investigated TWICE regards Aluko, and cleared TWICE.
When you find someone not guilty in a court of law, you don't keep going until you get the verdict you want.
In a court of law for example (and I am sure one or two lawyers amongst us can confirm this) once a person is found not guilty unless new evidence comes to light after that, the person cannot be re-trialled.
He had to pay Aluko £80k! If that's not admitting guilt i don't know what is! All brushed under the carpet because the FA were too scared to sack him then, because they thought they were gonna win the world cup. I'm not saying Sampson was the only person to blame, but without him in the equation there would be nothing for the FA to try and cover up, surely you can see that? |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2017 12:07:05 GMT
Hugely controversial topic among supporters, players and everyone around football. However, one thing article really caught my eye after the England Womens international earlier this week: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127Personally think this is getting ridiculous, it clearly relates to the shirts worn by Tranmere players. I think the worlds going mad, everyone seems scared to say anything that 'may' be taken out of context. For god sake we're all human beings, equals. If someone says i'm going to watch the 'All Blacks' i don't scream racist at them. Thoughts? Basically a silly overreaction by someone trying too hard not to offend. I don't get particularly annoyed by actions like this as they're well-meaning and it's not really that important, but it gets people wound up and ultimately doesn't help progress towards race equality. Whoever did this needs to be gently told that although they meant well, they were too eager to censor something and that should be the end of it, but I wouldn't be surprised if this story is on the front page of the Daily Mail tomorrow. |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 12:12:52 GMT
Because he was investigated TWICE regards Aluko, and cleared TWICE.
When you find someone not guilty in a court of law, you don't keep going until you get the verdict you want.
In a court of law for example (and I am sure one or two lawyers amongst us can confirm this) once a person is found not guilty unless new evidence comes to light after that, the person cannot be re-trialled.
He had to pay Aluko £80k! If that's not admitting guilt i don't know what is! All brushed under the carpet because the FA were too scared to sack him then, because they thought they were gonna win the world cup. I'm not saying Sampson was the only person to blame, but without him in the equation there would be nothing for the FA to try and cover up, surely you can see that? He didn't pay it.
The FA did.
"Aluko, who has played for England 102 times, is understood to have been paid £80,000 by the FA to sign an agreement to ‘avoid disruption’ to preparations for Euro 2017 earlier this summer".
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 12:38:25 GMT
He had to pay Aluko £80k! If that's not admitting guilt i don't know what is! All brushed under the carpet because the FA were too scared to sack him then, because they thought they were gonna win the world cup. I'm not saying Sampson was the only person to blame, but without him in the equation there would be nothing for the FA to try and cover up, surely you can see that? He didn't pay it.
The FA did.
"Aluko, who has played for England 102 times, is understood to have been paid £80,000 by the FA to sign an agreement to ‘avoid disruption’ to preparations for Euro 2017 earlier this summer".
If you are naive enough to believe that the money didn't eventually come out of his pocket then that's fine. As i said the FA shouldn't have tried to cover it up, but they wouldn't have had to if Sampson hadn't been so stupid. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Sept 21, 2017 12:38:33 GMT
Can we not come up with a song calling Tranmere Nazis anyway?  |
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Post by Al on Sept 21, 2017 12:42:19 GMT
He didn't pay it.
The FA did.
"Aluko, who has played for England 102 times, is understood to have been paid £80,000 by the FA to sign an agreement to ‘avoid disruption’ to preparations for Euro 2017 earlier this summer".
If you are naive enough to believe that the money didn't eventually come out of his pocket then that's fine. As i said the FA shouldn't have tried to cover it up, but they wouldn't have had to if Sampson hadn't been so stupid. Indeed, he was stupid, and correct the FA should not have tried to cover it up.
But it still wasn't racist.
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Post by Oaks Blue on Sept 21, 2017 13:18:58 GMT
I'm still not sure he didn't say those things, and if he did then it is treading a very fine line between acceptable and racism.
Maybe Aluko shouldn't have taken the money, and fought the FA on a larger scale, depends if they threatened her with expulsion from the England squad, or maybe that explains why she hasn't been picked since!
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Post by embalmer on Sept 21, 2017 13:30:53 GMT
I'm with Oaks Blue on this one. Regardless of whether what he said can be deemed as racist or not, the bloke is clearly an absolute hand grenade. Somebody in his position really ought to be beyond reproach on these sort of things and he just blatantly isn't.
The sort of comments he made about bringing back ebola from Nigeria are the sort of comments you'd expect to be aimed at Nigerian children in a playground - not the comments of a highly remunerated and supposedly respected member of the English footballing setup. Good riddance to him as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by sqzl on Sept 21, 2017 13:53:25 GMT
I'm still not sure he didn't say those things, and if he did then it is treading a very fine line between acceptable and racism. Maybe Aluko shouldn't have taken the money, and fought the FA on a larger scale, depends if they threatened her with expulsion from the England squad, or maybe that explains why she hasn't been picked since! I think i'd have thrown the money back at them to be honest, taking it certainly didn't help the public perception. My view is Sampson was wrong. However the banners at Tranmere were NOT racist. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2017 14:00:30 GMT
IF he made those comments then yes, very silly and he should know better. However, his sacking is wrong. He's been sacked for something that allegedly happened three years ago, yet was investigated by the FA at the time and was found to not have a case to answer.
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Sept 21, 2017 14:05:11 GMT
Hugely controversial topic among supporters, players and everyone around football. However, one thing article really caught my eye after the England Womens international earlier this week: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-41337127Personally think this is getting ridiculous, it clearly relates to the shirts worn by Tranmere players. I think the worlds going mad, everyone seems scared to say anything that 'may' be taken out of context. For god sake we're all human beings, equals. If someone says i'm going to watch the 'All Blacks' i don't scream racist at them. Thoughts? Things are getting out of hand when kick it out make a huge fuss about a song that's clearly not meant in a racist way. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/41317495 |
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Post by rcb on Sept 21, 2017 16:11:29 GMT
Won't be laughing when The FA accuse Chester fans of racism for the vocal away support chanting "Yellows". Probably be a points deduction at least . Worse still, we won't be allowed to print the team sheet if White is playing!!
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