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Post by dabberblue on Feb 8, 2017 19:53:32 GMT
18 changes to the Leicester v Derby line ups tonight in the cup ? Reflected in the ticket prices ? Highly unlikely........ . Growing up the FA Cup was the cream in a season & looked forward to. No body seems bothered now apart from the smaller clubs & when the semi finals come around. Such a shame IMO. It's all about the Premier League now. Either surviving in it or getting into it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 20:10:05 GMT
Game's gone.
It's show business, it's sports entertainment.
Said it in another thread, if it wasn't for Chester FC my interest in football would be zero, that's from someone who would watch any game on TV, whatever standard, whatever country.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 8, 2017 20:21:35 GMT
Game's gone. It's show business, it's sports entertainment. Said it in another thread, if it wasn't for Chester FC my interest in football would be zero, that's from someone who would watch any game on TV, whatever standard, whatever country. Hear hear fella. |
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 8, 2017 20:33:52 GMT
No one cares now, which is a crying shame for the best cup competition in the world.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 8, 2017 21:11:37 GMT
1-0 to Leicester.
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Post by Uninvited on Feb 8, 2017 21:29:19 GMT
The FA themselves are partly to blame for devaluing
The FA cup, by allowing the final to be moved from
The traditional last weekend of the footballing season
At 3pm, and staging it at 5pm on a Saturday before
The PL season had even finished.
What sort of message does that send out, with regards
How important the FA Cup is these days.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 8, 2017 21:30:09 GMT
It's a complete farce.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Feb 8, 2017 21:36:45 GMT
Teams should be allowed to field a side exclusively comprising of Belgians dressed as French chefs. At any time during the regulation 90 minutes you are entitled to play your Joker at which point an additional chef can enter the field of play for 10 minutes. Stuart Hall will provide commentray from his cell.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 8, 2017 22:01:47 GMT
2-1 Leicester in extra time, cracking goal.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 8, 2017 22:34:16 GMT
Leicester won 3-1, meanwhile Tranmere will play Barrow in the FAT after beating Chelmsford 4-1.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Feb 9, 2017 8:26:02 GMT
There was a time when the FA would fine teams for not playing their best 11 available but hey they are only interested in the premiersite now and would probably get rid of the FA Cup if they could so they could plough more money into the premiershite
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 9:48:43 GMT
It shows how weak the FA are against the Premier League monolith - I don't think they have the bottle to confront them re. weakened line-ups for fear of a breakaway. Even then, how do you prove they AREN'T fielding their best team at that time, they can hide behind injuries, fatigue, dog being ill etc. etc (McLaren said last night that he has players who "can't play 3 times in one week")
It's obvious that the FA Cup needs some RADICAL re-thinking as it seems that only the L1/L2/Non-league clubs are taking it seriously. The best ties now seem to be those where the lower league clubs are drawn against those higher up e.g Lincoln v Brighton/Ipswich, Sutton v Leeds.
Here's a thought - and I know it's not perfect - how about, for any tie drawn from the hat, the lower ranked team automatically gets to play at home. I understand the money element of drawing Liverpool away and the "day out" etc but if, say, CFC draw Derby, we would play at home with a decent crowd. If we win great, if we draw we still get the "awayday". In either case, the club taking the game seriously (CFC) gains some sort of advantage and rightly so.
Like I said, not perfect, but I really believe that this degree of radical thinking is needed otherwise the FA Cup will be gone as a competition within a decade
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Post by livinginhope on Feb 9, 2017 9:58:10 GMT
What I can't understand is why after so many FA Cup rounds they have Premier League fixtures during the week. So Liverpool had Wolves in the cup on the Saturday and then a huge game against Chelsea in the PL on the Tuesday or Wednesday. With all the money in the PL now teams are prioritising the midweek PL fixtures. A start would be to play these midweek games another week, gives the players a full week to recover.
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Post by Cestrian93 on Feb 9, 2017 10:08:36 GMT
It shows how weak the FA are against the Premier League monolith - I don't think they have the bottle to confront them re. weakened line-ups for fear of a breakaway. Even then, how do you prove they AREN'T fielding their best team at that time, they can hide behind injuries, fatigue, dog being ill etc. etc (McLaren said last night that he has players who "can't play 3 times in one week") It's obvious that the FA Cup needs some RADICAL re-thinking as it seems that only the L1/L2/Non-league clubs are taking it seriously. The best ties now seem to be those where the lower league clubs are drawn against those higher up e.g Lincoln v Brighton/Ipswich, Sutton v Leeds.Here's a thought - and I know it's not perfect - how about, for any tie drawn from the hat, the lower ranked team automatically gets to play at home. I understand the money element of drawing Liverpool away and the "day out" etc but if, say, CFC draw Derby, we would play at home with a decent crowd. If we win great, if we draw we still get the "awayday". In either case, the club taking the game seriously (CFC) gains some sort of advantage and rightly so. Like I said, not perfect, but I really believe that this degree of radical thinking is needed otherwise the FA Cup will be gone as a competition within a decade I actually don't think prem clubs making changes for cup games is much of an issue. Look at the teams Spurs, United, City, Arsenal and Chelsea put out whilst making changes, they would all be competitive premier league teams. Premier League clubs have so much talent in their squads they can make these changes without devaluing the competition. The two games you mentioned actually saw Brighton and Leeds make wholesale changes with the Leeds eleven being particularly weak, is it only an issue when premier league clubs make changes? The bigger clubs making changes in the FA Cup makes it far more interesting to watch, the Lincoln V Brighton and Sutton V Leeds would have been one way affairs had they played a full strength eleven. If you did want to see the top clubs fielding full strength sides then its simple, take away a champions league place for teams coming 4th and give it to the FA cup winner instead. |
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Post by Cestrian93 on Feb 9, 2017 10:15:15 GMT
What I can't understand is why after so many FA Cup rounds they have Premier League fixtures during the week. So Liverpool had Wolves in the cup on the Saturday and then a huge game against Chelsea in the PL on the Tuesday or Wednesday. With all the money in the PL now teams are prioritising the midweek PL fixtures. A start would be to play these midweek games another week, gives the players a full week to recover. Football league clubs regularly play Saturday - Tuesday - Saturday. With the resources at Liverpool's disposal its no excuse. Wolves themselves had a game on the Tuesday night, didn't hear any moaning from them! |
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Post by Uninvited on Feb 9, 2017 10:56:20 GMT
What I can't understand is why after so many FA Cup rounds they have Premier League fixtures during the week. So Liverpool had Wolves in the cup on the Saturday and then a huge game against Chelsea in the PL on the Tuesday or Wednesday. With all the money in the PL now teams are prioritising the midweek PL fixtures. A start would be to play these midweek games another week, gives the players a full week to recover. Football league clubs regularly play Saturday - Tuesday - Saturday. With the resources at Liverpool's disposal its no excuse. Wolves themselves had a game on the Tuesday night, didn't hear any moaning from them! Had Wolves been at the top of the Championship and due to play Newcastle or Brighton the Tuesday after Liverpool, I bet you'd have seen a different Wolves side out at Anfield. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 10:57:08 GMT
It shows how weak the FA are against the Premier League monolith - I don't think they have the bottle to confront them re. weakened line-ups for fear of a breakaway. Even then, how do you prove they AREN'T fielding their best team at that time, they can hide behind injuries, fatigue, dog being ill etc. etc (McLaren said last night that he has players who "can't play 3 times in one week") It's obvious that the FA Cup needs some RADICAL re-thinking as it seems that only the L1/L2/Non-league clubs are taking it seriously. The best ties now seem to be those where the lower league clubs are drawn against those higher up e.g Lincoln v Brighton/Ipswich, Sutton v Leeds.Here's a thought - and I know it's not perfect - how about, for any tie drawn from the hat, the lower ranked team automatically gets to play at home. I understand the money element of drawing Liverpool away and the "day out" etc but if, say, CFC draw Derby, we would play at home with a decent crowd. If we win great, if we draw we still get the "awayday". In either case, the club taking the game seriously (CFC) gains some sort of advantage and rightly so. Like I said, not perfect, but I really believe that this degree of radical thinking is needed otherwise the FA Cup will be gone as a competition within a decade I actually don't think prem clubs making changes for cup games is much of an issue. Look at the teams Spurs, United, City, Arsenal and Chelsea put out whilst making changes, they would all be competitive premier league teams. Premier League clubs have so much talent in their squads they can make these changes without devaluing the competition. The two games you mentioned actually saw Brighton and Leeds make wholesale changes with the Leeds eleven being particularly weak, is it only an issue when premier league clubs make changes? The bigger clubs making changes in the FA Cup makes it far more interesting to watch, the Lincoln V Brighton and Sutton V Leeds would have been one way affairs had they played a full strength eleven. If you did want to see the top clubs fielding full strength sides then its simple, take away a champions league place for teams coming 4th and give it to the FA cup winner instead. What I was trying to say - and obviously failing miserably - is that those ties where BOTH teams have fielded weakened line-ups have, generally, been pretty poor viewing on the TV and even the commentators have said it's obvious that they're not taking the Cup seriously and aren't bothered if they go out; witness last nights first half. A full strength team from a lower division "going for it" against a weakened "higher" team has, in my humble view, made for a more attractive and more evenly balanced game. Granted, the PL teams have great strength in depth and field strong second-string teams but this approach has now filtered down to the Championship and I just feel that the "romance" of the Cup is being slowly strangled. I accept that it is highly unlikely that the bigger teams will stop this practice as they have "bigger priorities" hence the need to "incentivise" those that are more committed e.g my suggestion re. home draws for lower ranked clubs. Like I said, it's by no means perfect - it's probably not even practical, but I feel that the FA Cup could be heading the way of the wonderful Checkatrade Trophy with U23 PL/Championship teams against L1/L2 outfits - the apathy from the public is there to see |
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Post by Cestrian93 on Feb 9, 2017 11:10:15 GMT
Football league clubs regularly play Saturday - Tuesday - Saturday. With the resources at Liverpool's disposal its no excuse. Wolves themselves had a game on the Tuesday night, didn't hear any moaning from them! Had Wolves been at the top of the Championship and due to play Newcastle or Brighton the Tuesday after Liverpool, I bet you'd have seen a different Wolves side out at Anfield. Wolves made 8 changes themselves so I doubt it. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 9, 2017 12:41:20 GMT
Winning the FA Cup this season is worth 1.8 million pounds- Finishing bottom of the Premier league this season is worth 97 million pounds.
Enough said.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 9, 2017 15:44:57 GMT
Winning the FA Cup this season is worth 1.8 million pounds- Finishing bottom of the Premier league this season is worth 97 million pounds. Enough said. We have a new mod. |
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Post by Hannibal on Feb 9, 2017 17:51:31 GMT
Yes, spotted that Riot. I wonder if it's official?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 9, 2017 17:52:53 GMT
Looks like it according to the members list. What happened to the forum moderating itself? Haven't seen anything that has warranted adding new mods...
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 9, 2017 18:50:07 GMT
Yes, spotted that Riot. I wonder if it's official? Can you stop calling me Riot please 😅 |
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Post by Si on Feb 9, 2017 19:06:17 GMT
Looks like it according to the members list. What happened to the forum moderating itself? Haven't seen anything that has warranted adding new mods... I got a pm a few days ago offering to help out on the moderating side of things. Things have been going smoothly and as you rightly pointed out there has been no need so far for extra mods. Eyeswideopen is able to check more often during the daytime than I am so thought it wouldn't hurt to have an extra person to help out with any reported posts during traditional office hours. We both agree that threads should be allowed to flow and posts will only be edited or removed if they are abusive, so hopefully things will just carry on as they are but with the extra assurance that it's not just me who is able to perform moderator duties. I'm very grateful for the offer and it's great to have eyeswideopen on board. |
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Post by Cestrian93 on Feb 10, 2017 8:32:59 GMT
Winning the FA Cup this season is worth 1.8 million pounds- Finishing bottom of the Premier league this season is worth 97 million pounds. Enough said. The prize money it self is £1.8m but that doesn't factor in gate receipts or TV money. Plymouths chairman reckons they made about 900k by reaching the 4th round. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 8:48:02 GMT
FA Cup TV money and even gate receipts pale in comparison to Premier League money. I'd guess there's an even greater reward for placing well in the Championship than having a good cup run for most teams.
It's great for clubs in the lower leagues but the more the competition gets devalued the less TV companies are likely to pay and less fans will care. The FA Cup will become that other tournament where it's league 1 sides and lower and B teams.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 10, 2017 23:58:51 GMT
Does anyone know the amount of money you get in the national league for finishing in a certain place?
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Post by eyeswideopen on Feb 11, 2017 17:04:22 GMT
Winning the FA Cup this season is worth 1.8 million pounds- Finishing bottom of the Premier league this season is worth 97 million pounds. Enough said. The prize money it self is £1.8m but that doesn't factor in gate receipts or TV money. Plymouths chairman reckons they made about 900k by reaching the 4th round. That 97 million doesn't factor in gate receipts either, fa cup tv money is hardly scratching the surface of premier league money |
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