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Post by Paul Da Part on Oct 14, 2017 18:56:45 GMT
Today was desperate. As football supporters, in good times and bad, we always look for the reasoning behind circumstances. Who's to blame for this mess? For me, the buck stops with the board. They had a BIG opportunity to oust McCarthy at the end of last season. It was inevitable that the season would pan out exactly as it has given McCarthy was still in charge. Instead, they back a manager who was unpopular with supporters and not only that, but gave him the biggest budget since reformation. That money, clearly, has not been put to good use. Of course, the board saw sense, sacked the idiot and replaced him with a proven quality manager. The worry is that we acted way too late. Relegation is looming and we have a manager who's been inherited with a terribly unbalanced side, and I'm sure he's very unhappy with what he's left with but has no other choice to plod on with what he's got until January. I don't like to take a swipe at those who are trying to do good for our club, but they are not immune to criticism and they have got it BADLY wrong on this occasion. Lesson's from the Burr debacle clearly weren't learnt. Is this an over-reaction to today? No. It's something I've often thought about throughout the current season. Something needs to drastically change on and off the pitch. There are two lots of people who are currently blameless. The fans (in the terraces and stands, at least) and our new management team. The board ought to take a long look at themselves. They've got us into this mess, now they are going to have to work bloody hard to get us out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 19:26:17 GMT
It was a huge chance today to gain some money from the cup. Bignot said after the game that we have to be full time like Kidderminster to compete. Will be interesting how things pan out for the rest of the season!
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Post by steveo1 on Oct 14, 2017 19:28:45 GMT
Today was desperate. As football supporters, in good times and bad, we always look for the reasoning behind circumstances. Who's to blame for this mess? For me, the buck stops with the board. They had a BIG opportunity to oust McCarthy at the end of last season. It was inevitable that the season would pan out exactly as it has given McCarthy was still in charge. Instead, they back a manager who was unpopular with supporters and not only that, but gave him the biggest budget since reformation. That money, clearly, has not been put to good use. Of course, the board saw sense, sacked the idiot and replaced him with a proven quality manager. The worry is that we acted way too late. Relegation is looming and we have a manager who's been inherited with a terribly unbalanced side, and I'm sure he's very unhappy with what he's left with but has no other choice to plod on with what he's got until January. I don't like to take a swipe at those who are trying to do good for our club, but they are not immune to criticism and they have got it BADLY wrong on this occasion. Lesson's from the Burr debacle clearly weren't learnt. Is this an over-reaction to today? No. It's something I've often thought about throughout the current season. Something needs to drastically change on and off the pitch. There are two lots of people who are currently blameless. The fans (in the terraces and stands, at least) and our new management team. The board ought to take a long look at themselves. They've got us into this mess, now they are going to have to work bloody hard to get us out of it. Great post, spot on. Mccarthy reminds me of a cowboy builder that has come in and built a new house that looked ok from outside, now the owners in Bignot has moved in he has found all a million issues. The builder has escaped with a nice bundle of cash. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Oct 14, 2017 19:29:27 GMT
The board are to blame 100% and I include Maguire in that in his advisory capacity. JM should have been sacked at the end of last season. Everyone but the blind few could see he wasn't up to it and the atmosphere around home games had turned toxic. To hand him 100k extra and allow him to sign players on two year contracts was utter suicide. It was clear to everyone that anything other than a terrific start would soon have fans on JM's back. It took 45 minutes against Fylde for it to start. It's a shocking state of mis-management, motivated purely out of sentimentality and the stain of JM/Burr and the boards decisions will be seen for another season and a half at least. The arrogance shown across that period was shocking and only emphasised that certain board members are not representatives of the majority, merely of their own self interests.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Oct 14, 2017 19:30:40 GMT
The board ought to take a long look at themselves. They've got us into this mess, now they are going to have to work bloody hard to get us out of it. Seeing that we elected the board doesn't it make us culpable?  ?? |
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Post by btb on Oct 14, 2017 19:36:54 GMT
The board, whom ever they are or were at the time. Maguire. Mad Jon. And now I think the players have to take some of the blame. That was pathetic today. If you're not good enough there's not a great deal that can be done but other than Astles did any of the nobs make any sort of meaningful challenge today?
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Post by Paul Da Part on Oct 14, 2017 19:38:18 GMT
The board ought to take a long look at themselves. They've got us into this mess, now they are going to have to work bloody hard to get us out of it. Seeing that we elected the board doesn't it make us culpable? ?? We elected those who said they would do good for the club. Again, I'm sure their intentions were good, after all, they are supporters like ourselves who only ever want what is best for Chester FC, but they have not done what they aimed to do. Football matters most on the pitch, that's where the results lie. If the football is good, everything seems so much better. Finances (which seem to be the be all and end all unfortunately now) would also be better as winning, attractive football, brings more people through the turnstiles. You only have to look at the attendances we got in our first two seasons as a reformed club to see that. Going back to those days, them were a great chance to build on those 2500+ gates which were a regular occurance. We didn't act on that and now we'll never entice those fans back. It's all been a steep learning curve, but we are only scratching the surface of what we have learnt so far. There is a long way to go and I fear the bad times may start to outweigh the good ones. |
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Post by yossergolf on Oct 14, 2017 19:45:43 GMT
It is so easy to blame "the board" but they have at least had the guts to have a go. Yes it is a mess at the moment and yes we can blame JM etc etc, but it will take effort from all of us to progress.
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Post by boughtonblue on Oct 14, 2017 20:11:01 GMT
We are a fan owned club so ultimately it is 'us' the fans to blame.
What good does blame do anyway?
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Post by Forever Blue on Oct 15, 2017 0:05:53 GMT
The CEO and Board for allowing JM to carry on and spend the budget because he was a nice guy.
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Post by g1 on Oct 15, 2017 10:35:39 GMT
All to blame Maguire for keeping macca too long macca for selling 2 of our best players and buying crap and the board for sanctioning 2 year contracts to 30 something players injury prone and past it
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Oct 15, 2017 10:46:50 GMT
I am worried about the quality of advice from MaGuire and the power he appears to possess.
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Post by rick on Oct 15, 2017 17:18:05 GMT
I didn't make the game yesterday, but by reading the board, it seems an all too familiar story with our performance. Even worse than Altrincham 2 years ago which I did have the misfortune of watching and that was totally inept.
As for our current predicament I wonder whether there are a number of factors that have led to this point.
Were we too successful too quickly, winning 3 championships on the trot and then not ready for the conference when we arrived. And for this I partly blame Neil Young in dismantling the Conference North squad which won the league by a huge margin. I distinctly remember reading or hearing him in an interview state that when he recruited players, he looked to see who would be suitable at the next league up. Well you didn't plan that very well then did you Mr Young?!
Can't argue with the appointment of SB at the time, but the biggest clanger has to be the backing of JM in the summer when it was plain for all to see it wasn't useless.
FWIW, I like MB and thing he has something. I only hope we give him the chance to rebuild the squad which is so badly needed.
One other thing, sooner or later, be it this season or at some point in the future, we will find ourselves being relegated, it's how we come back from such a setback that will define us as a club. We will need to be strong together when this happens and hope we do a Halifax rather than a Stockport/Altrincham.
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Post by paulie on Oct 15, 2017 18:47:31 GMT
We would have had more pleasure drawing the budget that we let Mcarthy waste out the bank and setting fire to it on the centre spot than watching this spineless bunch of "players"
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Post by paulie on Oct 15, 2017 18:51:25 GMT
It is so easy to blame "the board" but they have at least had the guts to have a go. Yes it is a mess at the moment and yes we can blame JM etc etc, but it will take effort from all of us to progress. Jon Mcarthy isn't to blame. Yes, he was useless and slightly mental but he was just taking a wage for as long as he could like any of us would do. The buck stops with whoever decided to give him the budget at the start of the season. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 20:36:23 GMT
Yet "we" voted a lot of those board members back on at last weeks AGM...
We have an invisible board. We voted them on yet do not know who they are. How many, without looking them up, can you picture in your head right now?
They dont come on here. They wont talk to our local press. They dont speak to us via the club you tube, twitter accounts.
Where are the strong personalities? Those who are prepared to stand up and say "yes, I voted to keep Jon McCarthy in place last May. I did it for this reason......... In hindsight it was a mistake, but I voted with the best intensions of the club at heart".
Not one of them have done that. They all seem happy to see Mark Maguire hung out to dry on here and social media. Believe me, that would have been a board decision, not the decision of any paid employee.
We are up shit creek, and Marcus Bignot has a tiny paddle. The invisible board need to start embracing the inclusive, transparent ideals that our club was born of, and try to repair the obvious cracks that now exist between our owners/fans and this bunch of money driven, sicknote wielding lazy bleeders that they let McCarthy re-sign/sign.
Come on guys and gals, get your heads up from behind the parapet, stop being directors in name alone, and show some steel. We need you now more than ever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 20:40:27 GMT
The last one to stick his head from beneath the parapet and speak out? Alan Povey. Lasted how long? I'd be willing to bet his embracing the supporter base worked against him with some people down there...
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 15, 2017 21:34:21 GMT
Yet "we" voted a lot of those board members back on at last weeks AGM... We have an invisible board. We voted them on yet do not know who they are. How many, without looking them up, can you picture in your head right now? They dont come on here. They wont talk to our local press. They dont speak to us via the club you tube, twitter accounts. Where are the strong personalities? Those who are prepared to stand up and say "yes, I voted to keep Jon McCarthy in place last May. I did it for this reason......... In hindsight it was a mistake, but I voted with the best intensions of the club at heart". Not one of them have done that. They all seem happy to see Mark Maguire hung out to dry on here and social media. Believe me, that would have been a board decision, not the decision of any paid employee. We are up shit creek, and Marcus Bignot has a tiny paddle. The invisible board need to start embracing the inclusive, transparent ideals that our club was born of, and try to repair the obvious cracks that now exist between our owners/fans and this bunch of money driven, sicknote wielding lazy bleeders that they let McCarthy re-sign/sign. Come on guys and gals, get your heads up from behind the parapet, stop being directors in name alone, and show some steel. We need you now more than ever. It still bitterly angers me that those in charge of taking the club forward were the only ones who couldnt see McCarthy for what he was 6 months ago. Everybody else you spoke to on here, in the blues bar and in the stands knew what needed to be done. The situation we find ourselves in after giving Macca the summer - ie looking near-certainties for relegation - is exactly what we were all begging the board to avoid as last season drew to a close. It was plain as day, no hinsight needed. We shouldn't have been ignored. Its such a shame because with all the above said, I still fully respect and admire the time those on the board give to our club. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 16, 2017 5:19:29 GMT
I am worried about the quality of advice from MaGuire and the power he appears to possess. Said from the start that it's basically his club but that idea is most likely borne out of the reasons NWAS highlights above. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 16, 2017 6:11:47 GMT
One thing that struck me a bit when reading a write-up of a recent CFU meeting was that when McCarthy was sacked, the decision was unanimous among the directors, although there was one director that the club "couldn't get hold of".
After the Solihull match, passions were running high and just about everyone was on this forum or the other one having their say, yet we have a director at the club who didn't have time to respond to a quick call or text at a time as important as that? There may have been a good reason of course, but on the face of it I think you have to question what value we're getting from that director.
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Post by gnuslimik on Oct 16, 2017 19:22:29 GMT
One thing that struck me a bit when reading a write-up of a recent CFU meeting was that when McCarthy was sacked, the decision was unanimous among the directors, although there was one director that the club "couldn't get hold of". After the Solihull match, passions were running high and just about everyone was on this forum or the other one having their say, yet we have a director at the club who didn't have time to respond to a quick call or text at a time as important as that? There may have been a good reason of course, but on the face of it I think you have to question what value we're getting from that director. The director in question had no idea the decision was made until it was announced in the media - no attempt was made to "get hold of them". |
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