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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 20:08:16 GMT
Just read that Man U's projected revenue for this season is £540 million
I've done a few crude sums as to how it compares to us:
Assuming our attendances are 2,000 average over 23 games @ £15 per person each, this equates to £690,000 per season
Add on other revenue, sponsorship etc, I guess our total revenue per season is in the order of £800K (obviously excludes transfers, cup runs as they are an unknown)
In other words, we would take 675 YEARS to earn what they make in one season
Surely there's something ethically wrong with this level of inequality and what does it mean in the longer term, say, 20-30 years?
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Post by Rio Doherty on Feb 9, 2017 22:10:01 GMT
That's an awful waste of money they make.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 22:21:35 GMT
Premier league clubs are franchises, they are in the entertainment business. As companies, fair play to them for making as much money as possible.
It's pointless comparing us to them. Completely different stratosphere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 0:04:59 GMT
That's an awful waste of money they make. Currently carrying debt of £409 million, that's an awful lot of money they owe. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 9:42:39 GMT
Premier league clubs are franchises, they are in the entertainment business. As companies, fair play to them for making as much money as possible. It's pointless comparing us to them. Completely different stratosphere. I actually agree with you to a great extent - my OP was purely an observation However, at the moment, the PL is still part of the football pyramid, albeit at the very top. The power and influence of the PL clubs, due to the vast sums of money, over others in the pyramid and the governing bodies has concerned many people over the years. It's operating virtually as a cartel. Maybe it's time to "cut them adrift" and let them operate as franchises as per in the NFL/AFL in the States. Then use the opportunity to revamp the other leagues e.g regional leagues, wages caps etc that might result in a more competitive setup where clubs have a better chance of progressing up the ladder. Personally, I wouldn't lose much sleep if I never saw a PL match again - I much prefer the whole lower league experience |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 10:07:08 GMT
If the Premier League does cut itself adrift then I actually fear it will be even worse for the game. There are plenty of clubs in the championship/league 1 with realistic ambitions of making the Premier League.
If it's not part of the pyramid then it becomes a closed shop. How will teams gain access? Via promotion or by applying for a place?
If say Everton or Liverpool finished bottom, there'd be no threat of relegation. It'd kill the game.
You look at the 'minor leagues' in America it's full of feeder teams. If the Prem did break away I guarantee the FA would be pleading with your Chelsea, Arsenal etc to have 'B' teams within the pyramid.
For clubs like us, this is it really. Just have to enjoy the fact we still have a club and continue to do so. Just enjoy going to games, support the club when you can financially (even if it's just buying a 50/50 or programme).
Let the club's at the top do their thing and let us just get on with ours, enjoying football as it's meant to be, win or lose.
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Post by bing on Feb 10, 2017 11:29:02 GMT
You can't blame Prem players for wanting to make as much money as possible, but I lost interest in the Premier League with stories like Ashley Cole "nearly swerving off the road" when he was offered £60k a week and Rio Ferdinand holding out for an extra £20k a week on top of his already huge wage. The thing that annoyed me about the latter was the arbitory nature of £20k - not an extra £56.50p the likes of you and me might get - but £20k - you could pay for 40 nurses for that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 12:23:12 GMT
If the Premier League does cut itself adrift then I actually fear it will be even worse for the game. There are plenty of clubs in the championship/league 1 with realistic ambitions of making the Premier League. If it's not part of the pyramid then it becomes a closed shop. How will teams gain access? Via promotion or by applying for a place? If say Everton or Liverpool finished bottom, there'd be no threat of relegation. It'd kill the game. You look at the 'minor leagues' in America it's full of feeder teams. If the Prem did break away I guarantee the FA would be pleading with your Chelsea, Arsenal etc to have 'B' teams within the pyramid. For clubs like us, this is it really. Just have to enjoy the fact we still have a club and continue to do so. Just enjoy going to games, support the club when you can financially (even if it's just buying a 50/50 or programme). Let the club's at the top do their thing and let us just get on with ours, enjoying football as it's meant to be, win or lose. I think the PL is heading that way anyway e.g huge parachute payments to give any relegated clubs every chance of coming straight back up. In my view, over time, you're going to end up with, say, 30-40 clubs who will always be in the PL or upper reaches of the Championship and will move between the two to the exclusion of the others because they have the money and resources I they did decide to split are they really that concerned about a closed shop with no promotion/relegation if they continue to successfully market the "brand" and fill the grounds etc - after all they are businesses at the end if the day and money/profit rules A few years ago, Phil Gartside of Bolton, mooted the idea of a totally separate PL (or 2) and predicted that lower league clubs would fail and that he wasn't particularly bothered if they did. I, and many others, disagreed with him at the time but I wonder if actually the first part is coming to pass. If so, we have to make sure the second part doesn't. I genuinely don't know what the answer is, I'm just concerned when I see the amount of money sloshing around in the PL and the power it bestows, that we may be "sleepwalking to oblivion" (exaggeration but you know what I mean I hope) |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 12, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
I work with someone who has a business/executive season ticket at Anfield. The other day he complained, without irony, that sometimes the bacon butties are brioche and other times they're not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 18:40:45 GMT
Imagine asking for a brioche bacon butty on a cold Tuesday night in somewhere like Clitheroe or Skelmersdale
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Post by Red4 on Feb 12, 2017 19:00:05 GMT
Just read that Man U's projected revenue for this season is £540 million I've done a few crude sums as to how it compares to us: Assuming our attendances are 2,000 average over 23 games @ £15 per person each, this equates to £690,000 per season Add on other revenue, sponsorship etc, I guess our total revenue per season is in the order of £800K (obviously excludes transfers, cup runs as they are an unknown) In other words, we would take 675 YEARS to earn what they make in one season
Surely there's something ethically wrong with this level of inequality and what does it mean in the longer term, say, 20-30 years? Think you are overstating your income.Even in Wrexham we base the revenue on around £10 pounds per head after tax. This allows for concessions (Over 65 and kids for a quid.) Both teams need more matchday income and sponsorships and a lot of luck and effort to compete with the likes of FGR Dover, Barrow, Eastleigh, Lincoln, Tranmere. Mind you if Tranny don't make it this season they will be stuck down here with us for some time after using the last of their parachute payments. |
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