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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 12:32:20 GMT
The league table this morning makes grim reading
Third from bottom with 12 points and 13 goals from 15 games
Worryingly, there are two clubs above us with 13 points but then it's Fylde on 16 and Orient on 18.
So, a group of 5 teams is beginning to become detached from the rest and we're in it!
OK, it's not critical yet but it's not far short.
I don't think it's unreasonable to envisage the gap growing by 1-2 points per month unless we start picking up wins, not draws or we could, quite possibly, be 10 points adrift by Xmas.
Purely my thought - I reckon MB was initially looking to still be "in the mix" come January so that he could wheel and deal but that's looking increasingly unlikely so I applaud his decisiveness in getting loan players in now and in the coming days.
However, a win is becoming a must and we have to start with Barrow on Tuesday.
After yesterday, I haven't a clue how MB goes about this resurrection, I just hope he does.
However, I'd quite happily take a 1-0 win via a scrappy 90th minute own goal if we can get 3 points otherwise it's going to be a very long hard winter
How did it come to this?
We all know why, it's a question borne out of increasing despair
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 22, 2017 13:08:23 GMT
Need to stay in contention until January, but we need to bring loans in and ship 5-6 out.
Personally, I would either get a big targetman in or play Bell and Zanzola as a front two and learn to attack and defend set pieces. (eg Pulis).
There is no quality in this team to play a passing game.
It is purely about survival and grinding out results by being, big, disciplined and organised, like every other team, in this league.
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Post by whopper3 on Oct 22, 2017 13:29:47 GMT
"OK, it's not critical yet but it's not far short."
LOL
Things are critical now. For the club to move forward Maguire/Bignot need to be removed from office and someone brought in who knows something about football.
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Post by kyle on Oct 22, 2017 13:39:59 GMT
Sack a manger after 5 games. Another comedy entry from our resident clown
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 22, 2017 13:47:00 GMT
Sack a manger after 5 games. Another comedy entry from our resident clown The guys a complete dick |
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Oct 22, 2017 14:01:40 GMT
There’s no way anyone can seriously suggest sacking Bignot. He was not my choice for manager but he is the manager of my club so he gets my support for as long as he remains.
I do hark back to my original statement before he was appointed though, my Grimsby season ticket family said Bignot’s man management was shocking and the players stopped playing for him.
I will be thrilled to bits if he keeps us up thus proving me wrong. In fact Marcus, PLEASE prove me wrong.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2017 15:54:17 GMT
There’s no way anyone can seriously suggest sacking Bignot. He was not my choice for manager but he is the manager of my club so he gets my support for as long as he remains. I do hark back to my original statement before he was appointed though, my Grimsby season ticket family said Bignot’s man management was shocking and the players stopped playing for him. I will be thrilled to bits if he keeps us up thus proving me wrong. In fact Marcus, PLEASE prove me wrong. These players were never playing for us in the first place, and if they're downing tools in response to Bignot, they're just showing why THEY are the problem, not the manager. McCarthy, with his constant glorifying of underperforming players, public "we've done enough" attitude and repeated offers of contracts to players who've done nowhere near enough, has made CFC into a cushy retirement home. The result is that we've become an ideal move for players with no hunger or ambition who just want steady wages in their bank accounts. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 22, 2017 15:59:43 GMT
One of MBs loan signings was yesterday's MOM and rightly so, even though the rest were shocking. I think the manager learnt more about certain players yesterday than he would of in a five nil win.
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Post by Jack on Oct 22, 2017 16:01:39 GMT
Worryingly, I'm not so convinced that it's lack of effort that is the problem. The players all run around, they're just not good enough.
McCarthy recruited the wrong types of players, even if have had some success at this level. MB nailed it in one, when he said you need tall, fast players at this level or small combative ones. We've been left with neither, and we're a soft touch for that reason.
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Post by btb on Oct 22, 2017 17:43:44 GMT
We're going down its as simple as that. We need a miracle and St Werburghs is closed. As Jack rightly says, the players just aren't good enough. sometimes lesser ability players can compete above their level if they have heart, desire and soul. This lot have none of those though. Fair play to JM he stitched us up good and proper with these clowns.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2017 18:20:03 GMT
We're going down its as simple as that. We need a miracle and St Werburghs is closed. As Jack rightly says, the players just aren't good enough. sometimes lesser ability players can compete above their level if they have heart, desire and soul. This lot have none of those though. Fair play to JM he stitched us up good and proper with these clowns. When we got the reprieve from relegation, there were a few players who were signed with a view to playing in the Conference North, but ended up playing a division higher and making a decent fist of it overall. I'm thinking the centre halves Matty Brown and Kieran Charnock in particular - neither ever really looked Conference standard but they did OK and were more solid than our defence now. Jon Worsnop was another although he had a poor second season. Even the much maligned Hobson I thought was always a tryer punching above his weight - on the whole we got good mileage from him and he put in some decent performances. |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 22, 2017 18:23:29 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety.
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Post by btb on Oct 22, 2017 19:37:58 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety. Agreed. I just hope he can build a competitive team for the conf north on what would obviously be a much Reduced budget. |
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Post by jb on Oct 22, 2017 21:26:35 GMT
Worryingly, I'm not so convinced that it's lack of effort that is the problem. The players all run around, they're just not good enough. McCarthy recruited the wrong types of players, even if have had some success at this level. MB nailed it in one, when he said you need tall, fast players at this level or small combative ones. We've been left with neither, and we're a soft touch for that reason. Hall-Johnson, Astles, LRT (when he's got his head screwed on), Turnbull, James, Mahon, Akintunde, Hannah and Bell are good enough. They just need to put their nose to the grindstone and work. With Dawson, Chappel and White on it was like playing with 8 men yesterday In fact probably worse because Dawson is an absolute liability and the worst midfielder I've seen play here. He gives the ball away constantly and was BW's danger man in that he started so many of their attacks with his constant sloppy and lazy passes. As soon as those three came off Chester were the better side. |
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Post by bing on Oct 23, 2017 7:05:03 GMT
Worryingly, I'm not so convinced that it's lack of effort that is the problem. The players all run around, they're just not good enough. McCarthy recruited the wrong types of players, even if have had some success at this level. MB nailed it in one, when he said you need tall, fast players at this level or small combative ones. We've been left with neither, and we're a soft touch for that reason. Hall-Johnson, Astles, LRT (when he's got his head screwed on), Turnbull, James, Mahon, Akintunde, Hannah and Bell are good enough. They just need to put their nose to the grindstone and work. With Dawson, Chappel and White on it was like playing with 8 men yesterday In fact probably worse because Dawson is an absolute liability and the worst midfielder I've seen play here. He gives the ball away constantly and was BW's danger man in that he started so many of their attacks with his constant sloppy and lazy passes. As soon as those three came off Chester were the better side. Seeing posts on here it seems Dawson is our 'Marmite' man. I have to admit, I quite like him as he at least tries to pass it. |
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Post by oldboneze on Oct 23, 2017 7:25:05 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety. If we go down (and it's still a big if for me), then MB will have to take a share of the responsibility. He claimed that he had watched many of our games at the start of the season, was aware of the abilities of the squad and knew what was required. This did not include spending more and more money. He accepted that the budget is the budget and he could get us to compete within that restriction. Possibly that was naïve, but having talked the talk he must now walk the walk. I believe that many of the squad are good enough for this league and MB is capable of getting the best out of them. I hope I'm proved right.
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Post by Micky Wilde on Oct 23, 2017 7:39:15 GMT
"OK, it's not critical yet but it's not far short." LOL Things are critical now. For the club to move forward Maguire/Bignot need to be removed from office and someone brought in who knows something about football. you are a complete tool aren't you? |
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Oct 23, 2017 8:03:36 GMT
Personally, I think very few of this squad are good enough. They are either injury prone, past their best, unfit or lack the commitment and motivation to get us out of this. 5-6 need replacing, including some so-called big names.
You need big physical players, in this league, who are prepared to battle, not players here for an easy ride, content to pick up a last pay cheque, by doing the bare minimum.
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 23, 2017 8:18:07 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety. If we go down (and it's still a big if for me), then MB will have to take a share of the responsibility. He claimed that he had watched many of our games at the start of the season, was aware of the abilities of the squad and knew what was required. This did not include spending more and more money. He accepted that the budget is the budget and he could get us to compete within that restriction. Possibly that was naïve, but having talked the talk he must now walk the walk. I believe that many of the squad are good enough for this league and MB is capable of getting the best out of them. I hope I'm proved right.
Thanks for your view, but I concert that McCarthy is 100% at fault for the mess we're in. The state of the squad is far worse than when MB was watching them earlier in the season. The perfornance levels have dropped even further off the required level since he came. As I said earlier it may have reached the nadir as it cannot get any worse. I also said although we have 30 games left it feel like we're running out of games already. I'm already fearing that we may see a repeat of when we picked up 4 points out of 51 about 10 years ago. |
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Post by waggoner on Oct 23, 2017 9:32:09 GMT
There’s no way anyone can seriously suggest sacking Bignot. He was not my choice for manager but he is the manager of my club so he gets my support for as long as he remains. I do hark back to my original statement before he was appointed though, my Grimsby season ticket family said Bignot’s man management was shocking and the players stopped playing for him. I will be thrilled to bits if he keeps us up thus proving me wrong. In fact Marcus, PLEASE prove me wrong. These players were never playing for us in the first place, and if they're downing tools in response to Bignot, they're just showing why THEY are the problem, not the manager. McCarthy, with his constant glorifying of underperforming players, public "we've done enough" attitude and repeated offers of contracts to players who've done nowhere near enough, has made CFC into a cushy retirement home. The result is that we've become an ideal move for players with no hunger or ambition who just want steady wages in their bank accounts. There are a few reasons why we are in this position. Low quality players. We being a fan owned club on a very strict budget cannot complete with bank rolled clubs with more money. The players we do sign are usually those trying to get a foot in to sort of put themselves in the shop window OR journey men looking for a payday. The problem being that most of our signings have already been rejected or overlooked by other clubs. Often we sign players who are too small with little physicality to their game, this in a league full of giants. Some players only sign for us because nobody else wants them. We also tend to sign players from leagues lower than the National league. There are gems down there of course, but for every 5 players you sign from down there only one of them will be up to standard, the rest will weaken the squad. Players with injury problems. We always take chances on players with a history of injury worries thus we end up with a weaked squad with lots of long term injuries. We also resign players who have been long term injury prone for most of the time they have been with us, only for they to be a 'walking sicknote' for most of the next season. Managemant. Because we have a 'quality' and 'injury' problem we chop and change the team, play square pegs in round holes thus the team often looks unbalanced. We only have a small squad, supplemented from the youth set up.With the limitations of the squad How the hell is MB supposed to get results out of what is left here after JM signed this lot? We are only just addressing our 'part time training issue' Money. We just do not have the resources to sign the quality needed, we cannot complete even with Guisley and other smaller clubs who can throw cash at it. IMHO i think we are on the way down the leagues with little chance to stop it happening I cannot for the life of me see how we can turn this around |
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 23, 2017 9:40:34 GMT
These players were never playing for us in the first place, and if they're downing tools in response to Bignot, they're just showing why THEY are the problem, not the manager. McCarthy, with his constant glorifying of underperforming players, public "we've done enough" attitude and repeated offers of contracts to players who've done nowhere near enough, has made CFC into a cushy retirement home. The result is that we've become an ideal move for players with no hunger or ambition who just want steady wages in their bank accounts. There are a few reasons why we are in this position. Low quality players. We being a fan owned club on a very strict budget cannot complete with bank rolled clubs with more money. The players we do sign are usually those trying to get a foot in to sort of put themselves in the shop window OR journey men looking for a payday. The problem being that most of our signings have already been rejected or overlooked by other clubs. Often we sign players who are too small with little physicality to their game, this in a league full of giants. Some players only sign for us because nobody else wants them. We also tend to sign players from leagues lower than the National league. There are gems down there of course, but for every 5 players you sign from down there only one of them will be up to standard, the rest will weaken the squad. Players with injury problems. We always take chances on players with a history of injury worries thus we end up with a weaked squad with lots of long term injuries. We also resign players who have been long term injury prone for most of the time they have been with us, only for they to be a 'walking sicknote' for most of the next season. Managemant. Because we have a 'quality' and 'injury' problem we chop and change the team, play square pegs in round holes thus the team often looks unbalanced. We only have a small squad, supplemented from the youth set up.With the limitations of the squad How the hell is MB supposed to get results out of what is left here after JM signed this lot? We are only just addressing our 'part time training issue' Money. We just do not have the resources to sign the quality needed, we cannot complete even with Guisley and other smaller clubs who can throw cash at it. IMHO i think we are on the way down the leagues with little chance to stop it happening I cannot for the life of me see how we can turn this around How we can turn thus around?.. sorry to sound so upbeat but we win on Tuesday and we are out the relegation zone |
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Post by bing on Oct 23, 2017 9:47:18 GMT
There are a few reasons why we are in this position. Low quality players. We being a fan owned club on a very strict budget cannot complete with bank rolled clubs with more money. The players we do sign are usually those trying to get a foot in to sort of put themselves in the shop window OR journey men looking for a payday. The problem being that most of our signings have already been rejected or overlooked by other clubs. Often we sign players who are too small with little physicality to their game, this in a league full of giants. Some players only sign for us because nobody else wants them. We also tend to sign players from leagues lower than the National league. There are gems down there of course, but for every 5 players you sign from down there only one of them will be up to standard, the rest will weaken the squad. Players with injury problems. We always take chances on players with a history of injury worries thus we end up with a weaked squad with lots of long term injuries. We also resign players who have been long term injury prone for most of the time they have been with us, only for they to be a 'walking sicknote' for most of the next season. Managemant. Because we have a 'quality' and 'injury' problem we chop and change the team, play square pegs in round holes thus the team often looks unbalanced. We only have a small squad, supplemented from the youth set up.With the limitations of the squad How the hell is MB supposed to get results out of what is left here after JM signed this lot? We are only just addressing our 'part time training issue' Money. We just do not have the resources to sign the quality needed, we cannot complete even with Guisley and other smaller clubs who can throw cash at it. IMHO i think we are on the way down the leagues with little chance to stop it happening I cannot for the life of me see how we can turn this around How we can turn thus around?.. sorry to sound so upbeat but we win on Tuesday and we are out the relegation zone I have to agree - and I appreciate people may think I'm being sickeningly optimistic - but as bad as we've been, we're not far from safety. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 9:55:47 GMT
There are a few reasons why we are in this position. Low quality players. We being a fan owned club on a very strict budget cannot complete with bank rolled clubs with more money. The players we do sign are usually those trying to get a foot in to sort of put themselves in the shop window OR journey men looking for a payday. The problem being that most of our signings have already been rejected or overlooked by other clubs. Often we sign players who are too small with little physicality to their game, this in a league full of giants. Some players only sign for us because nobody else wants them. We also tend to sign players from leagues lower than the National league. There are gems down there of course, but for every 5 players you sign from down there only one of them will be up to standard, the rest will weaken the squad. Players with injury problems. We always take chances on players with a history of injury worries thus we end up with a weaked squad with lots of long term injuries. We also resign players who have been long term injury prone for most of the time they have been with us, only for they to be a 'walking sicknote' for most of the next season. Managemant. Because we have a 'quality' and 'injury' problem we chop and change the team, play square pegs in round holes thus the team often looks unbalanced. We only have a small squad, supplemented from the youth set up.With the limitations of the squad How the hell is MB supposed to get results out of what is left here after JM signed this lot? We are only just addressing our 'part time training issue' Money. We just do not have the resources to sign the quality needed, we cannot complete even with Guisley and other smaller clubs who can throw cash at it. IMHO i think we are on the way down the leagues with little chance to stop it happening I cannot for the life of me see how we can turn this around How we can turn thus around?.. sorry to sound so upbeat but we win on Tuesday and we are out the relegation zone Absolutely correct! And that's why a win would be extremely welcome! What I was suggesting in my original post is that the odd win may not be sufficient if others teams are picking up one or two more points than us over the same period. We would "slowly" fall away from the pack over several weeks to the point where it would become almost unrecoverable. We need to put a 3 or 4 or 5 game unbeaten run and, in my view, and I suspect, many others, I can't see at the moment how we are going to achieve this. But, of course, we live in hope, and that's why we subject ourselves to this turmoil every week |
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Post by bing on Oct 23, 2017 9:58:17 GMT
Whoever invented football knew what they were doing... Leave just enough time between games for those trudging away from the ground on a Saturday to feel full of optimism as they bound towards the stadium for the following game!
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Oct 23, 2017 10:22:40 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety. I'm sorry but if we do go down, then the board need to shoulder some of the blame as well. They should never have let McCarthy carry on beyond the end of last season. However they did but after that, they should not have let him blow all the budget in the summer leaving it impossible for anyone new coming in to bring in new faces. Finally they should have been looking at the players JM was actually signing and like the rest of us questioning how unbalanced the squad was. |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 23, 2017 10:23:49 GMT
If and when we go down I feel MB should be free from any blame. The blame should go to JM in its entirety. I'm sorry but if we do go down, then the board need to shoulder some of the blame as well. They should never have let McCarthy carry on beyond the end of last season, and they should not have let him blow all the budget in the summer leaving it impossible for anyone new coming in to bring in new faces. Finally they should have been looking at the players JM was actually signing and like the rest of us questioning how unbalanced the squad was. Correct! |
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Post by agl on Oct 23, 2017 10:37:51 GMT
Worryingly, I'm not so convinced that it's lack of effort that is the problem. The players all run around, they're just not good enough. McCarthy recruited the wrong types of players, even if have had some success at this level. MB nailed it in one, when he said you need tall, fast players at this level or small combative ones. We've been left with neither, and we're a soft touch for that reason. Agree with you on this. Arguably the only athletic player we have is Rowe-Turner. Fitness, pace and strength will take you a long way in this league but for what ever reason successive managers have never got to grips with this. Half our lot look unfit. There's no pace in the side. |
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Post by dmcnally on Oct 23, 2017 11:41:32 GMT
I think we’ll get out the relegation zone, but the later we leave it the worse it will be. Maybe getting the pressure of the relegation zone off the players shoulders can help them play their game more.
That’s if they do feel any pressure. You know, if they care.
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Post by whopper3 on Oct 23, 2017 17:35:31 GMT
"OK, it's not critical yet but it's not far short." LOL Things are critical now. For the club to move forward Maguire/Bignot need to be removed from office and someone brought in who knows something about football. you are a complete tool aren't you? Don't tell me your another one who is defending this pair of incompetent clowns. You will come around to my way of thinking soon enough. |
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