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Post by Lobster on Oct 29, 2017 11:43:39 GMT
I've read that part of the reason why there was so much time added on yesterday was that Lynch insisted on changing his boots during the game, thus stopping the clock for over a minute. Similarly, Barrow (though I missed the game) sounded like they wasted a lot of time against us. In both cases, the respective teams lost the game to a goal scored in the added on time they helped to create.
I get that if you want to hold on to a result, you might want to slow down the pace of the game and kill the other team's moment, but if the ref is adding the time on anyway, do things like dilly-dallying over free kicks and throw-ins really work? Aren't you just extending the amount of time you have to stay fit and focused for, and bringing more pressure on yourself? You constantly see teams do it but I believe more goals are scored in the final minute of games than any other minute, so is it working?
It seems a similar tactic to lounging around in an airport for hours and then rushing to check-in with two minutes to spare, only to miss your flight when you could've got check-in done and dusted ages ago and relaxed. It almost seems like a form of procrastination rather than any sort of tactical strategy.
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Post by thestanchion on Oct 29, 2017 11:54:14 GMT
Wait until Paul Cox's Guiseley come to town for the definitive answer.
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Post by oldboneze on Oct 29, 2017 12:45:04 GMT
I've read that part of the reason why there was so much time added on yesterday was that Lynch insisted on changing his boots during the game, thus stopping the clock for over a minute. Similarly, Barrow (though I missed the game) sounded like they wasted a lot of time against us. In both cases, the respective teams lost the game to a goal scored in the added on time they helped to create. I get that if you want to hold on to a result, you might want to slow down the pace of the game and kill the other team's moment, but if the ref is adding the time on anyway, do things like dilly-dallying over free kicks and throw-ins really work? Aren't you just extending the amount of time you have to stay fit and focused for, and bringing more pressure on yourself? You constantly see teams do it but I believe more goals are scored in the final minute of games than any other minute, so is it working? It seems a similar tactic to lounging around in an airport for hours and then rushing to check-in with two minutes to spare, only to miss your flight when you could've got check-in done and dusted ages ago and relaxed. It almost seems like a form of procrastination rather than any sort of tactical strategy. Lynch had to change his boots as one of them was damaged during the game. Also, there was a longer period while he received treatment for an injury received when he came out to punch away a cross. I didn't think there was much obvious time wasting yesterday and 7 minutes seemed reasonable. |
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Post by Hannibal on Oct 29, 2017 15:40:56 GMT
Do you mean unreasonable?
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Post by superman on Oct 29, 2017 16:03:43 GMT
Can never understand making a substitution in injury time when trying to hold onto a 1 goal advantage. Refs always seem to add on another minute anyway. Can possibly understand it if you are one behind and hoping for a few extra seconds. If you time waste you run the risk of refs adding on a random amount extra which is longer than the time wasted. Taking the ball to the corner flag and fannying about also irritates me, how many times have Chester done this and mucked things up and then conceded. Even happened in Premiership yesterday.
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Post by oldnotdecrepit on Oct 29, 2017 16:53:48 GMT
I don’t think it’s just about added on time. A big reason for time wasting is to upset the momentum the opposition may have built up. I abhor it for that reason and would love it to be clamped down upon.
Detest non grass pitches too, shouldn’t be allowed.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 29, 2017 17:08:42 GMT
Can never understand making a substitution in injury time when trying to hold onto a 1 goal advantage. Refs always seem to add on another minute anyway. Can possibly understand it if you are one behind and hoping for a few extra seconds. If you time waste you run the risk of refs adding on a random amount extra which is longer than the time wasted. Taking the ball to the corner flag and fannying about also irritates me, how many times have Chester done this and mucked things up and then conceded. Even happened in Premiership yesterday. If you mean the Palace v West Ham game, it was kind of the opposite really. West Ham should've held it in the corner but played an aimless ball into the box instead, and Palace broke and scored. |
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Post by wxmred on Oct 30, 2017 19:02:39 GMT
I think the referee is supposed to add on 30 seconds for each substitute.
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Post by thebluecamp on Oct 30, 2017 19:50:50 GMT
I've read that part of the reason why there was so much time added on yesterday was that Lynch insisted on changing his boots during the game, thus stopping the clock for over a minute. Similarly, Barrow (though I missed the game) sounded like they wasted a lot of time against us. In both cases, the respective teams lost the game to a goal scored in the added on time they helped to create. I get that if you want to hold on to a result, you might want to slow down the pace of the game and kill the other team's moment, but if the ref is adding the time on anyway, do things like dilly-dallying over free kicks and throw-ins really work? Aren't you just extending the amount of time you have to stay fit and focused for, and bringing more pressure on yourself? You constantly see teams do it but I believe more goals are scored in the final minute of games than any other minute, so is it working? It seems a similar tactic to lounging around in an airport for hours and then rushing to check-in with two minutes to spare, only to miss your flight when you could've got check-in done and dusted ages ago and relaxed. It almost seems like a form of procrastination rather than any sort of tactical strategy. Despite quoting a few examples where time wasting has 'come back to bite the time wasters', I do believe that referees generally do not add sufficient time to reflect the amount wasted. As such (in many cases) time wasting does work. If it didn't work then surely teams would not do it. Don't like time wasting myself, and see added time goals against 'offenders' as some form of poetic justice. |
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Post by catfordbags on Oct 30, 2017 23:02:24 GMT
Hate time wasting ... substituted players walking off the pitch should be yellow carded after five seconds and sent off after ten .... i don't pay fifteen notes to watch fancy dans nobheads .... would welcome a different attitude from the refs
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Post by cornishblue on Oct 31, 2017 7:49:03 GMT
I remember some years back (it might even have been the year we were first relegated from the football league), Fulham came to the Deva with the clear aim of getting a 0-0 draw and started time wasting from the first whistle. With about 2 minutes of normal time remaining Chester scored. Cue immediate change from Fulham as hey threw everything forward, 90 minutes came and went after about 8 minutes of added time the equaliser inevitably came.
Time wasting certainly worked for Fulham that day!
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Post by eyeswideopen on Oct 31, 2017 13:12:36 GMT
substitutions are actually not far off around 30 seconds on average for the player to trot off, give the customary hug, hand gesture and man bump.
The one that really wastes time is when a team actually scores, dependent on the celebration, i:e team scoring a "winning" goal rather than a consolation or suchlike, I have seen this take up to 3 minutes to the actual restart.
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Post by mcseal on Oct 31, 2017 15:08:22 GMT
The rules should be changed to allow refs to add on double the time wasted (and I mean 'wasted' so that e.g genuine medical issues etc would not be doubled up). That would hurry a few up
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Post by Lobster on Oct 31, 2017 15:45:34 GMT
The rules should be changed to allow refs to add on double the time wasted (and I mean 'wasted' so that e.g genuine medical issues etc would not be doubled up). That would hurry a few up That would mean if you were losing it would be in your interest to waste time! |
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Post by mcseal on Oct 31, 2017 16:03:38 GMT
The rules should be changed to allow refs to add on double the time wasted (and I mean 'wasted' so that e.g genuine medical issues etc would not be doubled up). That would hurry a few up That would mean if you were losing it would be in your interest to waste time! Hmmm. Ok, half the time wasted added on when it's done by the team that is losing !  |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Nov 1, 2017 14:29:03 GMT
Or just have the clock visible to all in the stadium and we can see when the ref has actually stopped the clock.
That way you only actually play 90 minutes on the clock, but could play any amount of time in reality.
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Post by marner93 on Nov 1, 2017 16:34:02 GMT
Every time the ball is dead, stop the clock and as soon as it's back in play, restart it. Can't time waste then.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 1, 2017 20:55:34 GMT
Every time the ball is dead, stop the clock and as soon as it's back in play, restart it. Can't time waste then. Literally every other comparable sport of two teams and one ball/puck:etc does this so surely football can too. |
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Post by rcb on Nov 1, 2017 21:56:48 GMT
Put the clock on public display, thereby stopping referees from allowing attacks to continue beyond the end of time, and often resulting in a goal. An example was the delayed half time whistle v Lincoln last year when Lincoln scored after three minutes of what was only two added on minutes. We should have gone in 2-1 up at the interval.
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Post by wxmred on Nov 2, 2017 13:08:32 GMT
Should have a independent time keeper.
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Post by southernblue on Nov 4, 2017 23:41:40 GMT
That Eastleigh keeper was really taking the pee with his time wasting today. It bit him on the backside in the end.
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Post by Deva93 on Nov 5, 2017 16:43:26 GMT
ill always remember the tranmere keeper messing about with goal kicks and taking the piss when they were 2-0 agaisnt us, then we came back to 2-2 with an last min equaliser. Love abit of karma.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2017 17:22:38 GMT
That Eastleigh keeper was really taking the pee with his time wasting today. It bit him on the backside in the end. That's arguably three games in a row then that a team has been punished for wasting time. I honestly think it's a flawed tactic. |
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Post by southernblue on Nov 7, 2017 0:57:00 GMT
That Eastleigh keeper was really taking the pee with his time wasting today. It bit him on the backside in the end. That's arguably three games in a row then that a team has been punished for wasting time. I honestly think it's a flawed tactic. When their players were substituted a crawling baby could have got off the pitch quicker. |
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Post by Harry Lime on Nov 9, 2017 9:49:08 GMT
Maybe the wider question is "how do officials and rule makers stop overt gamesmanship and cheating?"
The one thing that really annoys a crowd is blatant cheating. The officials seem powerless, or incapable, of stopping it.
Pearson last night blatantly tried to get Archer sent off. If the officials gave a card when that happened, it would soon stop.
I believe this is part of the reason crowds are dropping. The older supporters feel that the cheating to get decisions should be stopped. 14 stone players toppling over after the slightest nudge. Whereas some players get manhandled and shirt pulled all game, and get nothing.
It's down to the way the referees apply the rules, or don't. Players are trying to win, and know they can influence (kid) referees into giving decisions. Referees don't seem to know they're being used. Surely they must know. They should apply the rules and see "ungentlemanly conduct" for what it is. A yellow card, or worse.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 9, 2017 10:45:57 GMT
Maybe the wider question is "how do officials and rule makers stop overt gamesmanship and cheating?" The one thing that really annoys a crowd is blatant cheating. The officials seem powerless, or incapable, of stopping it. Pearson last night blatantly tried to get Archer sent off. If the officials gave a card when that happened, it would soon stop. I believe this is part of the reason crowds are dropping. The older supporters feel that the cheating to get decisions should be stopped. 14 stone players toppling over after the slightest nudge. Whereas some players get manhandled and shirt pulled all game, and get nothing. It's down to the way the referees apply the rules, or don't. Players are trying to win, and know they can influence (kid) referees into giving decisions. Referees don't seem to know they're being used. Surely they must know. They should apply the rules and see "ungentlemanly conduct" for what it is. A yellow card, or worse. Good points there, but I think it goes beyond referees and extends to FIFA, who have never taken the issue seriously. Sepp Blatter said a number of times when he was president that he doesn't really think diving is a bad thing and he doesn't blame players for doing it. He always seemed more interested in trivial matters like mandatory bookings for pulling your shirt over your head after scoring. It's quite shocking how it's been allowed to creep into the game to the point where it's become accepted. No other sport has this problem, and in countries like the US where football is still more of a niche than part of the national culture, it's seen as very curious and quite off-putting. |
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