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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 13, 2017 19:22:40 GMT
I actually haven't donated precisely because they haven't communicated any targets or updates. This has nothing to do with them being embarrassed about the amount raised - it's because they can't be arsed - and as usual, as soon as they see they're being questioned on Deva Chat, a post on the website miraculously appears. It's absolutely embarrassing. They targeted £25K from the onset and have just provided an update. |
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Post by bitbbh on Nov 13, 2017 19:29:51 GMT
I actually haven't donated precisely because they haven't communicated any targets or updates. This has nothing to do with them being embarrassed about the amount raised - it's because they can't be arsed - and as usual, as soon as they see they're being questioned on Deva Chat, a post on the website miraculously appears. It's absolutely embarrassing. There is so many things that could be better about our club and so many of them are encapsulated in this topic. Communication Fund raising Being reactive rather than being proactive No sense of belonging It bugs me that having responded to the designated email regarding the Solihull and Eastleigh postponements asking the club to add this money to Bignots Budget fund that i have no idea How much they reclaimed and if they have actually received it and if they put it into the pot. |
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Post by embalmer on Nov 13, 2017 19:38:17 GMT
I actually haven't donated precisely because they haven't communicated any targets or updates. This has nothing to do with them being embarrassed about the amount raised - it's because they can't be arsed - and as usual, as soon as they see they're being questioned on Deva Chat, a post on the website miraculously appears. It's absolutely embarrassing. They targeted £25K from the onset and have just provided an update. It has taken them almost FIVE weeks to provide ONE update - and I am certain had it not been for the pointed questions on here, that update wouldn't have been forthcoming. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 13, 2017 19:52:28 GMT
They targeted £25K from the onset and have just provided an update. It has taken them almost FIVE weeks to provide ONE update - and I am certain had it not been for the pointed questions on here, that update wouldn't have been forthcoming. Just saying that they did announce a target at the start and have now provided an update, so no excuses now fellah. |
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Post by Al on Nov 13, 2017 20:07:00 GMT
It has taken them almost FIVE weeks to provide ONE update - and I am certain had it not been for the pointed questions on here, that update wouldn't have been forthcoming. Just saying that they did announce a target at the start and have now provided an update, so no excuses now fellah. Maybe it was all donated in coppers. Might explain the wait if poor Albert has been having to count through all that shrapnel... |
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Post by lookingin on Nov 13, 2017 20:16:59 GMT
All the people I talk to at the games have given and all know about this fund. I don't believe what you are saying."with very little advertising" The club has asked for money and people who can afford to and the people who want to have. Just over£2000. We would of got more by putting the season tickets up by £2. How many do you talk to? Two, Three? Maybe you should talk to the 2,800 in the ground on Wednesday night see how many say have contributed. Do you really think they've consistently hammered it home about this fund raise? Bollocks they have. 2k in a month with 6 weeks till the window opens is a miserable effort. 2800 fans there on Wednesday night isn't a true reflection of our home support. Next time we see these fans again will be against Tranmere. These two games a season supporter might give us some change from his or her pocket. We need some real donations off our fans . After looking at the first 6 weeks I don't think this is going to happen. I don't blame the supporters it's the people incharge. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 13, 2017 20:26:26 GMT
How many do you talk to? Two, Three? Maybe you should talk to the 2,800 in the ground on Wednesday night see how many say have contributed. Do you really think they've consistently hammered it home about this fund raise? Bollocks they have. 2k in a month with 6 weeks till the window opens is a miserable effort. 2800 fans there on Wednesday night isn't a true reflection of our home support. Next time we see these fans again will be against Tranmere. These two games a season supporter might give us some change from his or her pocket. We need some real donations off our fans . After looking at the first 6 weeks I don't think this is going to happen. I don't blame the supporters it's the people incharge. Why would you blame the Board for the fact that a large section of our fan base have short arms and deep pockets? It’s a depressingly familiar tale of ‘supporters’ searching for an excuse to look the other way when the Club asks for help. |
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Post by superman on Nov 13, 2017 20:41:52 GMT
I am assuming that this running total of just over £2k includes all donations however made and not just the bucket collection. Whilst the club have been poor in publicising this and pushing this beyond the original plea the sum raised is a poor reflection on the fan base as a whole. Whilst individually some of us continue to respond to the needs of OUR club, collectively we just don't seem bothered. There were close to 3000 of us there on Wednesday, if all could find a way to give just £5, not much more than the cost of a decent pint, the target would soon seem within reach. What must Marcus Bignot think, fans can't be bothered why should he stay? We all need to do our bit, no one else is going to do it. Yep the club needs to be more proactive, beat the drum, yep it needs to communicate better and help build enthusiasm, but it is too easy to blame the few that are/were doing something now or in the past. Those that do nothing but find fault and sit on their hands are as much if not more to blame. It must be a thankless task being one of the few that do put themselves forward for office, no wonder we struggle to keep board members.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 13, 2017 20:45:08 GMT
2800 fans there on Wednesday night isn't a true reflection of our home support. Next time we see these fans again will be against Tranmere. These two games a season supporter might give us some change from his or her pocket. We need some real donations off our fans . After looking at the first 6 weeks I don't think this is going to happen. I don't blame the supporters it's the people incharge. Why would you blame the Board for the fact that a large section of our fan base have short arms and deep pockets? It’s a depressingly familiar tale of ‘supporters’ searching for an excuse to look the other way when the Club asks for help. I think in this case, most of the blame lies with the club. All you have to do is look at how Wrexham have implemented similar appeals and then ask why we aren't capable of doing the same - I'm not sure its because our fans are 'tight'. Wrexham have raised more than £50,000 - there is absolutely no reason why we can't raise £25,000. The idea that popping an appeal on the website, having some buckets for one match and doing one solitary update after 5 weeks is the way to go about things is quite frankly, appalling - especially seeing as we are supposed to have 'marketing' and 'communication' experts on our board. |
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 13, 2017 20:50:52 GMT
This is the perfect opportunity to establish some form of fundraising team again to work towards the £25k mark.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 13, 2017 20:52:55 GMT
Why would you blame the Board for the fact that a large section of our fan base have short arms and deep pockets? It’s a depressingly familiar tale of ‘supporters’ searching for an excuse to look the other way when the Club asks for help. I think in this case, most of the blame lies with the club. All you have to do is look at how Wrexham have implemented similar appeals and then ask why we aren't capable of doing the same - I'm not sure its because our fans are 'tight'. Wrexham have raised more than £50,000 - there is absolutely no reason why we can't raise £25,000. The idea that popping an appeal on the website, having some buckets for one match and doing one solitary update after 5 weeks is the way to go about things is quite frankly, appalling - especially seeing as we are supposed to have 'marketing' and 'communication' experts on our board. Jesus wept, you’re actually saying that fans haven’t donated because the Club didn’t engage in any marketing gimmicks? It’s not like they are launching a new f*****g washing powder, it’s your Football Club asking for help. |
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Post by lookingin on Nov 13, 2017 20:54:20 GMT
2800 fans there on Wednesday night isn't a true reflection of our home support. Next time we see these fans again will be against Tranmere. These two games a season supporter might give us some change from his or her pocket. We need some real donations off our fans . After looking at the first 6 weeks I don't think this is going to happen. I don't blame the supporters it's the people incharge. Why would you blame the Board for the fact that a large section of our fan base have short arms and deep pockets? It’s a depressingly familiar tale of ‘supporters’ searching for an excuse to look the other way when the Club asks for help. I blame the board for where we are today as a club. Contract extension to managers that we can't afford to go wrong is my biggest one. Two year player contracts . We sell one player to a premier league club and the board forget we are a fan owned club and all the hard work people put in to save us. In one summer they have blown away all our money. Have asked for more money and tell me they will give us up dates on how much and what they are spending it on. |
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Post by Si on Nov 13, 2017 20:59:49 GMT
I am assuming that this running total of just over £2k includes all donations however made and not just the bucket collection. Whilst the club have been poor in publicising this and pushing this beyond the original plea the sum raised is a poor reflection on the fan base as a whole. Whilst individually some of us continue to respond to the needs of OUR club, collectively we just don't seem bothered. There were close to 3000 of us there on Wednesday, if all could find a way to give just £5, not much more than the cost of a decent pint, the target would soon seem within reach. What must Marcus Bignot think, fans can't be bothered why should he stay? We all need to do our bit, no one else is going to do it. Yep the club needs to be more proactive, beat the drum, yep it needs to communicate better and help build enthusiasm, but it is too easy to blame the few that are/were doing something now or in the past. Those that do nothing but find fault and sit on their hands are as much if not more to blame. It must be a thankless task being one of the few that do put themselves forward for office, no wonder we struggle to keep board members. It probably stems from the Burr Had a Dream campaign which damaged peoples trust when it comes to stuff like this. Coupled with the lack of willingness to advertise and communicate effectively then I don't blame people for not putting their hand in their pocket. Plus it's close to Christmas and people's priority is not propping up this club yet again. It a once again a case of milking the same cow, covering for the the mistakes made in retaining McCarthy. McCarthy's football either put people off from coming or ruined the enjoyment for those that did stick it out and to me it just feels a bit lazy suddenly saying now that the budget needs boosting so let's ask the fans again. We backed the club in the summer buying season tickets when we hadn't seen a home win in months. I do think your right to a certain extent about apathy but the club didn't drum this up and make you feel like it was a proper organised drive towards boosting the budget, and the amount raised is a reflection of that. People have a right to spend their money how they see fit. At the end of the day is this club life and death to people? It's important to me but my wages aren't great and I have a family etc so whilst a fiver isn't exactly going to break the bank I do feel like I contribute as much as I feel is acceptable for me.....season ticket, car park season ticket, the odd beer and programme on match day, and CFU yearly membership. Asking for more from us all the time just feels a bit tiresome. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 13, 2017 21:00:52 GMT
I think in this case, most of the blame lies with the club. All you have to do is look at how Wrexham have implemented similar appeals and then ask why we aren't capable of doing the same - I'm not sure its because our fans are 'tight'. Wrexham have raised more than £50,000 - there is absolutely no reason why we can't raise £25,000. The idea that popping an appeal on the website, having some buckets for one match and doing one solitary update after 5 weeks is the way to go about things is quite frankly, appalling - especially seeing as we are supposed to have 'marketing' and 'communication' experts on our board. Jesus wept, you’re actually saying that fans haven’t donated because the Club didn’t engage in any marketing gimmicks? It’s not like they are launching a new fucking washing powder, it’s your Football Club asking for help. No, I'm suggesting that perhaps one of the reasons we haven't raised much money is because the scheme hasn't been particularly well communicated, nor marketed. Your suggestion, on the other hand, that Chester fans are too tight to put their hands in their pockets is patently untrue. |
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 13, 2017 21:02:38 GMT
I don’t want this to appear as a bit of an excuse fest, but we do have a limited loyal following, it’s the run up to the Christmas period and some of these peeps will have bought season tickets, a club shirt, pie and novelist every home game, the lottery thing, the squad builder thing, possibly donated to other Steve Burr has a dream, Jon McCarthy has a nightmare sort of fundraisers. The communication is poor, there is bad feeling about previous fund raising goals, I’m thinking the Tony Allen appointment etc. I’ve donated £2.50 to this, but completely understand why other fans can’t/don’t/won’t support these sorts of schemes. It’s a bit simplistic in my view to just “blame the board” or “blame the tight-arse fans”. It’s the whole package that needs looking at, as well as spreading the good word about our club and getting a broader base involved.
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Post by Captain Duff on Nov 13, 2017 21:14:06 GMT
Why would you blame the Board for the fact that a large section of our fan base have short arms and deep pockets? It’s a depressingly familiar tale of ‘supporters’ searching for an excuse to look the other way when the Club asks for help. I blame the board for where we are today as a club. Contract extension to managers that we can't afford to go wrong is my biggest one. Two year player contracts . We sell one player to a premier league club and the board forget we are a fan owned club and all the hard work people put in to save us. In one summer they have blown away all our money. Have asked for more money and tell me they will give us up dates on how much and what they are spending it on. No, I blame people like you. We elect the board, we own the club. Don't like the board then vote 'em out and others in, it isn't rocket science, unless you just like negative moaning for the sake of it of course. |
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Nov 13, 2017 21:19:30 GMT
On top of the issues raised on this thread, which I think all play a part in the total raised so far, one of the reasons I struggle to dip into my pocket even more is because 90% of the fan base saw this disaster coming - shame the Board didn't.
The Board stuck with McCarthy out of hope rather than expectation, and as I have mentioned in other threads, some allowed their personal relationship to cloud their judgement - of this I am certain.
Let's not forget that this budget is £100,000 bigger than last seasons and our biggest budget since reformation. The problem is, we allowed McCarthy the honour of spending it.
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Post by lookingin on Nov 13, 2017 21:36:28 GMT
On top of the issues raised on this thread, which I think all play a part in the total raised so far, one of the reasons I struggle to dip into my pocket even more is because 90% of the fan base saw this disaster coming - shame the Board didn't. The Board stuck with McCarthy out of hope rather than expectation, and as I have mentioned in other threads, some allowed their personal relationship to cloud their judgement - of this I am certain. Let's not forget that this budget is £100,000 bigger than last seasons and our biggest budget since reformation. The problem is, we allowed McCarthy the honour of spending it. You forgot to mention the two year player contracts that have been handed out. These players will be our high earners. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Nov 13, 2017 21:44:19 GMT
On top of the issues raised on this thread, which I think all play a part in the total raised so far, one of the reasons I struggle to dip into my pocket even more is because 90% of the fan base saw this disaster coming - shame the Board didn't. The Board stuck with McCarthy out of hope rather than expectation, and as I have mentioned in other threads, some allowed their personal relationship to cloud their judgement - of this I am certain. Let's not forget that this budget is £100,000 bigger than last seasons and our biggest budget since reformation. The problem is, we allowed McCarthy the honour of spending it. This is absolutely spot on. You can't ignore the fanbase and bury your head in the sand one moment and then the next be asking those same people to be dipping into their pockets - particularly in light of the last 'failed' fundraiser. The Communications Director has proven his worth this month anyway with that quick Facebook update  |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 13, 2017 21:53:31 GMT
On top of the issues raised on this thread, which I think all play a part in the total raised so far, one of the reasons I struggle to dip into my pocket even more is because 90% of the fan base saw this disaster coming - shame the Board didn't. The Board stuck with McCarthy out of hope rather than expectation, and as I have mentioned in other threads, some allowed their personal relationship to cloud their judgement - of this I am certain. Let's not forget that this budget is £100,000 bigger than last seasons and our biggest budget since reformation. The problem is, we allowed McCarthy the honour of spending it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and with regards to Managers, Wrexham’s Board have also done some shocking recruitment in recent years - both Wilkins and Mills left the Squad in a worse state than when they inherited it. However, when the chips are down their fans do their bit instead of whingeing on a fans forum. It pains me to say it but there are too many Tories on here and too few have any concept of the collective spirit and individual sacrifice for the common good. |
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 13, 2017 22:01:44 GMT
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and with regards to Managers, Wrexham’s Board have also done some shocking recruitment in recent years - both Wilkins and Mills left the Squad in a worse state than when they inherited it. However, when the chips are down their fans do their bit instead of whingeing on a fans forum. It pains me to say it but there are too many Tories on here and too few have any concept of the collective spirit and individual sacrifice for the common good. I really don’t see what peoples political persuasions have got to do with anything, and individual sacrifice for the common good is a little strong. Rather than going all Corbyn-Esque on us, maybe people have just decided that they have other more important priorities in their life. Family, keeping roof over head etc. |
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Post by Cestrian For Life on Nov 13, 2017 22:04:30 GMT
Unfortunately, mistakes have been made by McCarthy and the Board in allowing McCarthy to do what he did. The fact is though, that we now have what I believe is a passionate and very capable manager who with just a little bit of backing will keep us up this year and go on to achieve much better things in years to come.
It is up to us as fans to do what we always do and get behind the Club and in particular, Marcus B. At least give him a chance to prove his worth.
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Post by lookingin on Nov 13, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
On top of the issues raised on this thread, which I think all play a part in the total raised so far, one of the reasons I struggle to dip into my pocket even more is because 90% of the fan base saw this disaster coming - shame the Board didn't. The Board stuck with McCarthy out of hope rather than expectation, and as I have mentioned in other threads, some allowed their personal relationship to cloud their judgement - of this I am certain. Let's not forget that this budget is £100,000 bigger than last seasons and our biggest budget since reformation. The problem is, we allowed McCarthy the honour of spending it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and with regards to Managers, Wrexham’s Board have also done some shocking recruitment in recent years - both Wilkins and Mills left the Squad in a worse state than when they inherited it. However, when the chips are down their fans do their bit instead of whingeing on a fans forum. It pains me to say it but there are too many Tories on here and too few have any concept of the collective spirit and individual sacrifice for the common good. It's not hindsight it's called good management. Our board were like a deer in headlights with the extra £100,000 |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 13, 2017 23:19:05 GMT
Perhaps instead of quibbling we could see the revelation of the disappointing figure as a kick up the backside. I've never been too keen on the idea of budget building funds but will make a donation now - Bignot deserves it and I trust him to use it well.
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Post by chesterken on Nov 14, 2017 16:35:39 GMT
Perhaps instead of quibbling we could see the revelation of the disappointing figure as a kick up the backside. I've never been too keen on the idea of budget building funds but will make a donation now - Bignot deserves it and I trust him to use it well. Well Lobster your message seems to have done the trick to this thread, it’s time to put up or shut up🤑 |
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