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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 12:40:35 GMT
Just wondering why you can't buy the Chester home kit on the website. Looking to get my little girl the kit but it only gives you the option for the yellow.
If anybody does know how I can get one, then money will be going to the club!
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Post by Captain Duff on Nov 17, 2017 16:48:08 GMT
As far as I remember there haven't been any home kits available for around 6 months. Previous people involved in the club messed up the initial order (not enough were ordered for a 2 year deal) and because of the minimum order requirements for restock it was not possible to then order more when they were needed. I'm sure someone will correct me if any of this is wrong, but again it highlights why it would be good if for the next kit deal we can try and use a British based manufacturer that can easily and quickly supply extra amounts in smaller numbers when needed (and of course who have workers covered by minimum wage/unions and H&S laws, unlike the far east sweatshops who made the current kit).
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 17, 2017 17:42:49 GMT
We are getting a new supplier next season because our puma deal is due to expire. That is why the stock in our club shop is very limited.
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Post by wxmred on Nov 17, 2017 18:11:29 GMT
We are getting a new supplier next season because our puma deal is due to expire. That is why the stock in our club shop is very limited. Macron are good. |
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 17, 2017 18:20:25 GMT
We don’t want any goaty hand me downs thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 18:41:53 GMT
We are getting a new supplier next season because our puma deal is due to expire. That is why the stock in our club shop is very limited. I think there is one year left with Puma |
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Post by Paul Da Part on Nov 18, 2017 6:30:53 GMT
Let have E/NS back in for next season.....
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Post by Imperial on Nov 20, 2017 9:27:21 GMT
As far as I remember there haven't been any home kits available for around 6 months. Previous people involved in the club messed up the initial order (not enough were ordered for a 2 year deal) and because of the minimum order requirements for restock it was not possible to then order more when they were needed. I'm sure someone will correct me if any of this is wrong, but again it highlights why it would be good if for the next kit deal we can try and use a British based manufacturer that can easily and quickly supply extra amounts in smaller numbers when needed (and of course who have workers covered by minimum wage/unions and H&S laws, unlike the far east sweatshops who made the current kit). Poor economic argument, do you think standards in the sweatshops are likely to improve with fewer orders? Besides we need the most competitive deal possible. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 20, 2017 13:13:01 GMT
As far as I remember there haven't been any home kits available for around 6 months. Previous people involved in the club messed up the initial order (not enough were ordered for a 2 year deal) and because of the minimum order requirements for restock it was not possible to then order more when they were needed. I'm sure someone will correct me if any of this is wrong, but again it highlights why it would be good if for the next kit deal we can try and use a British based manufacturer that can easily and quickly supply extra amounts in smaller numbers when needed (and of course who have workers covered by minimum wage/unions and H&S laws, unlike the far east sweatshops who made the current kit). Poor economic argument, do you think standards in the sweatshops are likely to improve with fewer orders? Besides we need the most competitive deal possible. The point is whether a fan-owned community club should be supporting a system that relies on cheap, unsafe labour in undeveloped countries. I think it's a fair argument. If you're looking at hard nosed economics, getting a reputation for sourcing local, ethically produced goods might actually be valuable to the club - more so than saving pennies on sweatshop-produced shirts. |
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Post by The Angry Agenda on Nov 20, 2017 13:15:30 GMT
Poor economic argument, do you think standards in the sweatshops are likely to improve with fewer orders? Besides we need the most competitive deal possible. The point is whether a fan-owned community club should be supporting a system that relies on cheap, unsafe labour in undeveloped countries. I think it's a fair argument. If you're looking at hard nosed economics, getting a reputation for sourcing local, ethically produced goods might actually be valuable to the club - more so than saving pennies on sweatshop-produced shirts. A fan owned community club should then be looking for a local supplier, rather then going for some brand name - are there any ? |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 20, 2017 14:30:28 GMT
Poor economic argument, do you think standards in the sweatshops are likely to improve with fewer orders? Besides we need the most competitive deal possible. The point is whether a fan-owned community club should be supporting a system that relies on cheap, unsafe labour in undeveloped countries. I think it's a fair argument. If you're looking at hard nosed economics, getting a reputation for sourcing local, ethically produced goods might actually be valuable to the club - more so than saving pennies on sweatshop-produced shirts. I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I’d love us to buy locally if possible, I just think it’d be prohibitively expensive. As for the broader economic argument, if you withdraw your business then instead of getting paid a pittance the workers are going to get paid nothing as they won’t have a job. Also, as customers you have the opportunity to try to encourage change. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 14:51:45 GMT
I am sure that the CEO and Financial Director will take all of these good arguments into consideration when putting out to tender for the new supplier. Ethics v Income is a very difficult balance to make in all walks of life when £££s are tight. It is a very interesting discussion. We desperately need to maximise our income to support our club off and on the pitch (academy and first team), but also need to remember what we are. A community benefit co-operative that was founded with solid socialist ideals. Sweat shops are abhorrent, but so is our midfield and our disabled facilities! Decisions, decisions... I think next years Puma kit (or choices if that is an option) will be off the peg options, giving the club greater flexibility. Greater attention will also be paid to previous kit size sales history next season I am led to believe. I quite like the CFC u18 girls kit as a potential option.   |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 20, 2017 17:26:33 GMT
The point is whether a fan-owned community club should be supporting a system that relies on cheap, unsafe labour in undeveloped countries. I think it's a fair argument. If you're looking at hard nosed economics, getting a reputation for sourcing local, ethically produced goods might actually be valuable to the club - more so than saving pennies on sweatshop-produced shirts. I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I’d love us to buy locally if possible, I just think it’d be prohibitively expensive. As for the broader economic argument, if you withdraw your business then instead of getting paid a pittance the workers are going to get paid nothing as they won’t have a job. Also, as customers you have the opportunity to try to encourage change. Tory alert. Impoverished people being used as slave labour in sweatshops for Western-based companies who make hundreds of millions in profit each year are all fine and dandy because they at least pay a "pittance". Give your head a wobble. |
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Post by Captain Duff on Nov 20, 2017 17:53:08 GMT
There is a difference in my view being a fan-owned cooperative mutual organisation, there are ethics involved in this and those should include paying attention to things like suppliers. In relation to UK manufacturers there are still quite a few around who can custom design, make and supply kits quickly and they tend to be flexible in terms of order numbers and re-orders (unlike Puma).
Having not tendered myself I don't know exactly how they compare, but given that a lot of youth, community, amateur, lower league and college teams source their kits from UK manufacturers I doubt that they are massively more expensive, particularly as the increase you have with workers employed on at least minimum wage (and hopefully more) is offset by lack of import duty costs. Certainly I would be interested to know just what the differences in per shirt costs are, and perhaps if quotation costs are anonymised (due to business confidentiality clauses) but identified as UK brand A, B, International brand C, D etc. they can be discussed at a CFU meeting, it is something that we have really missed a trick on I think.
It would also be useful of the board could make a commitment to aim to be a Living Wage employer in relation to all our paid staff (so currently that would be £8.75 per hour or more compared to £7.05/£7.50 minimum wage rates) if we are not at this level already, with a timescale of when it will be achieved. As an owner I believe that it is vital that my staff are paid properly, but do the Board agree?
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Post by ivawhopper on Nov 20, 2017 20:47:07 GMT
Why do people have to bring politics into everything. Tory alert as if that is a bad thing. What’s next, lefty warning, liberal namby pamby warning? Nationalist warning? The poster was making a genuine and well thought about point about the unfortunate realities of low wage economies. There was no need to label him politically.
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Post by Imperial on Nov 20, 2017 22:42:46 GMT
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I’d love us to buy locally if possible, I just think it’d be prohibitively expensive. As for the broader economic argument, if you withdraw your business then instead of getting paid a pittance the workers are going to get paid nothing as they won’t have a job. Also, as customers you have the opportunity to try to encourage change. Tory alert. Impoverished people being used as slave labour in sweatshops for Western-based companies who make hundreds of millions in profit each year are all fine and dandy because they at least pay a "pittance". Give your head a wobble. You’re incorrect, I’m not & never have been a Tory. Not that there is anything wrong with that. |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 20, 2017 22:49:58 GMT
Why do people have to bring politics into everything. Tory alert as if that is a bad thing. What’s next, lefty warning, liberal namby pamby warning? Nationalist warning? The poster was making a genuine and well thought about point about the unfortunate realities of low wage economies. There was no need to label him politically. I find it amazing that people genuinely seem to think that accusing someone of being on the right or left can be an insult. If anyone is blindly voting for a party because they think that that team is the good guys then they aren’t truly engaging, just adding to the polarisation & partisanship. Anyway, football? |
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Post by Derry Blue on Nov 20, 2017 22:59:21 GMT
I don’t disagree with the sentiment, I’d love us to buy locally if possible, I just think it’d be prohibitively expensive. As for the broader economic argument, if you withdraw your business then instead of getting paid a pittance the workers are going to get paid nothing as they won’t have a job. Also, as customers you have the opportunity to try to encourage change. Tory alert. Impoverished people being used as slave labour in sweatshops for Western-based companies who make hundreds of millions in profit each year are all fine and dandy because they at least pay a "pittance". Give your head a wobble. Give over. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Nov 21, 2017 5:34:00 GMT
Why do people have to bring politics into everything. Tory alert as if that is a bad thing. What’s next, lefty warning, liberal namby pamby warning? Nationalist warning? The poster was making a genuine and well thought about point about the unfortunate realities of low wage economies. There was no need to label him politically. Our club is a prime example of a socialist enterprise so of course politics comes into it. Politics also comes into why a poster above calls himself Derry Blue and not Londonderry Blue. Oh, and there's everything wrong with being a Tory - you're never more than ten feet away from one as they say! |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 21, 2017 11:16:26 GMT
Why do people have to bring politics into everything. Tory alert as if that is a bad thing. What’s next, lefty warning, liberal namby pamby warning? Nationalist warning? The poster was making a genuine and well thought about point about the unfortunate realities of low wage economies. There was no need to label him politically. Our club is a prime example of a socialist enterprise so of course politics comes into it. Politics also comes into why a poster above calls himself Derry Blue and not Londonderry Blue. Oh, and there's everything wrong with being a Tory - you're never more than ten feet away from one as they say! No it isn’t, we operate a capitalist football club in a capitalist football league in a capitalist economy. The only thing even slightly socialist about it is the ownership model. There isn’t anything wrong with supporting any political party, you just disagree with their policies presumably & I hate to break it to you but it doesn’t matter how smugly you post, you don’t have a monopoly on being right. |
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Post by waggoner on Nov 21, 2017 11:23:00 GMT
Why do people have to bring politics into everything. Tory alert as if that is a bad thing. What’s next, lefty warning, liberal namby pamby warning? Nationalist warning? The poster was making a genuine and well thought about point about the unfortunate realities of low wage economies. There was no need to label him politically. Our club is a prime example of a socialist enterprise so of course politics comes into it. Politics also comes into why a poster above calls himself Derry Blue and not Londonderry Blue. Oh, and there's everything wrong with being a Tory - you're never more than ten feet away from one as they say! Getting back on track...Shirts. I went onto tinternet, found a british supplier, designed a decent shirt with logo badge, sponsor and player names for under £20 a pop (£16 for a kids kit) order as many as you want, quick delivery and sell um on at our shop at a decent profit. why does it have to be such a mission getting kit in? ![]() |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 21, 2017 11:27:13 GMT
Our club is a prime example of a socialist enterprise so of course politics comes into it. Politics also comes into why a poster above calls himself Derry Blue and not Londonderry Blue. Oh, and there's everything wrong with being a Tory - you're never more than ten feet away from one as they say! Getting back on track...Shirts. I went onto tinternet, found a british supplier, designed a decent shirt with logo badge, sponsor and player names for under £20 a pop (£16 for a kids kit) order as many as you want, quick delivery and sell um on at our shop at a decent profit. why does it have to be such a mission getting kit in? ![]() I’d imagine it’s a lot more complicated if you’re ordering hundreds of shirts, home, away & third for men, women & children, some with the league badge on the arm (that might be done separately.) as opposed to ordering what? 15? Plus there have been issues with finding the right design in the right colour iirc. |
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Post by waggoner on Nov 21, 2017 11:29:40 GMT
Getting back on track...Shirts. I went onto tinternet, found a british supplier, designed a decent shirt with logo badge, sponsor and player names for under £20 a pop (£16 for a kids kit) order as many as you want, quick delivery and sell um on at our shop at a decent profit. why does it have to be such a mission getting kit in? ![]() I’d ima gine it’s a lot more complicated if you’re ordering hundreds of shirts, home, away & third for men, women & children, some with the league badge on the arm (that might be done separately.) as opposed to ordering what? 15? Plus there have been issues with finding the right design in the right colour iirc. No it isen,t. You order what you need when you need um. They have the design on file and send the kit out in a couple of weeks  |
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Post by Imperial on Nov 21, 2017 11:31:58 GMT
I understand that but would they able to cope with our requirements in terms of amounts etc? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’ve got no idea, it just seems that if it were that simple then every club would do it that way.
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Post by waggoner on Nov 21, 2017 11:36:13 GMT
I understand that but would they able to cope with our requirements in terms of amounts etc? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’ve got no idea, it just seems that if it were that simple then every club would do it that way. I see what you mean, but unless someone equires from the club we will never know. Being a fan owned club we should do things a bit differently? |
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Post by Al on Nov 21, 2017 11:36:40 GMT
Still no shirts in kids sizes then?
I'd be looking for anything for a 2yr old and another for a 5-6yr old.
Enquired a good few months back but had none in stock at the time of asking.
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Post by trublu on Nov 22, 2017 6:49:57 GMT
I think the club need to take a good look at how many sales they've missed out on from not having any stock this season and it could well be that a lower margin actually achieves a bigger profit if it means having the right stock available throughout a 2 year kit deal.
I'm well and truly in favour of a quality locally sourced kit, but would caution the club to be careful about the quality of the logos etc as most of the kits from my childhood have had the sponsor transfer crack and peel off relatively quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 7:02:50 GMT
I think the club need to take a good look at how many sales they've missed out on from not having any stock this season and it could well be that a lower margin actually achieves a bigger profit if it means having the right stock available throughout a 2 year kit deal. I'm well and truly in favour of a quality locally sourced kit, but would caution the club to be careful about the quality of the logos etc as most of the kits from my childhood have had the sponsor transfer crack and peel off relatively quickly. Nobody is more painfully aware than those involved in the club shop believe me. |
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