Corbyn

Yep, 73% say they will vote for someone other than Labour in the latest opinion polls. Uniting the nation indeed.

Depends what "news" you heard it on I suppose. I no longer trust the MSM to report impartially and have decided to withdraw my license fee in order to stop directly funding the Tory bastards propaganda.

That means 27% will vote Labour. With a Tory government that I don't think anyone really loves, along with the rise of the SNP, UKIP and to a lesser extent the Green Party, plus a load of people who just won't bother voting, who knows?

Besides, recent opinion polls on things like Brexit and Trump suggest they're hardly worth the paper they're written on, and there's a difference between how people say they'll vote and how they really do. Having said that, it seems left wingers are normally more open and vocal about their political opinions. Voting Tory seems a bit like masturbation - nobody admits to it, but once they're in a booth where other people aren't looking, you just don't know what they get up to.

No you're not. If you vote UKIP, you are, and largely justifiably so.

If you vote Labour or Green, you get called loony-left, do-gooder or tree hugger, which is just as tedious.

Or 'snowflake' which bizarrely is the latest term of abuse aimed at more enlightened folk by the knuckle-staggers.

What's going on with that guy's hands? Agree with his sentiments about Hilary Clinton but fail to see the connection with this thread.

I will happily admit to voting Tory. The problem I think is that the majority of people in the U.K. are pretty much in the centre ground with politics - nothing too extreme one way or other. The further Corbyn takes Labour away from the centre, he will get plenty of praise from the far left (the far left and right always shout the loudest) but alienate more and more people in the middle who will then vote Tory or Lib Dem.

The centre of gravity of British politics has shifted so far to the right that anyone who doesn't concur with the right-wing neo-liberal, anti-immigrant agenda espoused by the mainstream media is branded a dangerous subversive. I never thought I would live to see the day when a UK Government would use anti-immigrant rhetoric as a means of covering up its own incompetence. To blame foreigners for the NHS crisis is obscene, like its refugees that are closing A & E units. Aye right, and people lap it up.

Agree with this bloke basically. I remember reading about this time last year that people in Flint, Michigan have had no drinking or bathing water since 2014, and still haven't. That's appalling in a developed country, and is the sort of thing that would make you want to vote for radical change and against 'more of the same'. Michigan was one of the states seen to have won Trump the election.

I try to present people with facts and arguments rather than just insulting them. The number of times on Devachat and elsewhere I've told people how much immigration there is in non-EU Switzerland. I found that out myself as well, not in any newspaper or report. No-one's ever acknowledged it when I've said it!

With Trump, I just don't think you can win an argument with one of his supporters. What possible dirt can you dig on Donald Trump. He presents his own argument against voting for him, but if people like what he is and what he does then you can't change their mind. Everything he says is a lie and you can usually prove it pretty easily, but if enough people believe it, it doesn't matter. That's why it is, indeed, the Democrats' fault he got in because they didn't present someone that non-Trump supporters could get behind in enough numbers. 

I think next weeks by-elections are going to prove decisive for Corbyn. If he loses both (maybe even just one of them) its going to be increasingly hard to claim he can lead Labour back to election success. My gut feeling is they will very narrowly beat off UKIP in Stoke-on-Trent but lose to the tories in Copeland. I desperately hope to be wrong though on the later result.

Personally I'm a Corbynite. I believe he is fighting a losing battle though in a country where the narrative seems more and more controlled by those at The Daily Mail, Murdoch empire and large parts of the BBC. I actually admire Corbyn greatly, he destroyed May at PMQs last week over the alledged "sweetheart" deal in Surrey but within hours the main topic had become Clive Lewis resigning from the shadow cabinet. This on the same day Boris Johnson et al had voted against giving £350m p/w to the NHS. Incredible.

The sooner the Labour party splits the better.

It's all well and good continuing to bang the "we're a broad church" drum, but the party is irreconcilably split between the "moderates" (the majority of the PLP) and the "left" (the majority of the membership). The idea that MP's like Ian Austin and Jamie Reed should be in the same political party as the likes of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell is just nonsensical. It's not really a broad church when you could drive a few buses in between their political and ideological views.

I personally think Labour will hold both Copeland and certainly Stoke-on-Trent Central - but even if they lost both Corbyn wouldn't be in much trouble. There is absolutely no 'heir' to his leadership and nor is there any desire amongst grassroots Labour members to replace him.

The criticism he is getting for leading a traditionally left-wing socialist party towards the left is ridiculous.

What does "straight past left" even mean? 😂😂😂

Immigration is key to any election i feel. It's become the scapegoat for everything that going wrong.

I'm glad they won't, but if the conservative party went massively anti-immigration (UKIP) i think they'd probably be unstoppable.